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[The Edge]

I want closure from the whole Warden/Morrigan romance...

[fffffffffffff13]

 Morrigan should indeed return, one way or another. It may not be the same as Dragon Age: Origins but it would be cool. The characters are what made up the good for me in Origins it would suck to have that leave. New characters should have an emphasis.. The worst part about Origins was that DAMN EPILOGUE~!!! Ruined the end, since I could do nothing about ANY of it.  

[Saraphial]

For those of you hoping for a Morrigan appearance, in the print magazine for Game Informer on the picture of the Flemeth concept art a quote from Mike Laidlaw says "We are certainly not done with Morrigan's story, I can say that," when asked if we would see any characters from Origins in DA2.



So my best guess for who we will see includes thus far: Morrigan, Flemeth (obviously), and whoever your warden chose to lead Ferelden.



Hope that was helpful...

[Brockololly]

But the thing that potentially sucks, is for the Wardens out there searching for Morrigan, will they ever get closure? Or is Hawke just so awesome that he can serendipitously stumble upon Morrigan while The Hero of Ferelden is searching high and low in every corner of Thedas for her only to never find her? Meh....

[Saibh]

Brockololly wrote...

But the thing that potentially sucks, is for the Wardens out there searching for Morrigan, will they ever get closure? Or is Hawke just so awesome that he can serendipitously stumble upon Morrigan while The Hero of Ferelden is searching high and low in every corner of Thedas for her only to never find her? Meh....

Considering Flemeth seeks Hawke out, there could very well be a reason Morrigan does. It could just be by chance Flemeth meets Hawke--but still, that encounter might be a reason Morrigan meets Hawke. Considering the premise of the game (you moving yourself forward), I doubt Flemeth sends you to find Morrigan. But, still.

In any case, the Warden uses Morrigan's ring to find her, if you guess from the epilogue slides. By consequence, Morrigan can track the Warden as well, and know how close he's getting to her.

Modifié par Saibh, 26 juillet 2010 - 03:42 .

[Riona45]

I love Morrigan as a character, but the whole setting isn't about her.

[Brockololly]

Yeah, no doubt where Flemeth is involved Morrigan will somehow figure in too.



I'd just be rather irked if the Warden/Morrigan storyline with the OGB never gets resolved or given any closure for the Warden before having Morrigan do whatever in DA2. If the Warden was never going to see Morrigan again, I'd have rather they just not have teased with the epilogue and being given the choice to search for her if its a foregone conclusion by BioWare that the Warden and Morrigan never meet again.



I just think any potential Morrigan sighting would be much more meaningful and emotionally engaging if it was Morrigan meeting back up with the Warden ( DR or not) than Hawke, who is just some random dude/dudette to Morrigan- there isn't any past history there.

[Saraphial]

Brockololly wrote...

But the thing that potentially sucks, is for the Wardens out there searching for Morrigan, will they ever get closure? Or is Hawke just so awesome that he can serendipitously stumble upon Morrigan while The Hero of Ferelden is searching high and low in every corner of Thedas for her only to never find her? Meh....

 Can't a woman have her crazy God baby in peace? I mean seriously, all she probably wants to do with it is destroy the world or something. It's just like a man to want to kill her high ambitions! 

But seriously, the God baby is a big subject. I'm sure Bioware won't be so cruel as to leave everyone scratching their heads about that one for too long. You'll probably have some closure... eventually.

[Brockololly]

And while obviously the Old God Baby won't be there for everyone, Morrigan will - she's just about the only non-killable character in Origins. And if your Warden is still alive, I just think it would be more dramatic and fun to have your Warden run back into Morrigan than some new PC like Hawke.

Modifié par Brockololly, 26 juillet 2010 - 03:55 .

[Saibh]

Brockololly wrote...

And while obviously the Old God Baby won't be there for everyone, Morrigan will - she's just about the only non-killable character in Origins. And if your Warden is still alive, I just think it would be more dramatic and fun to have your Warden run back into Morrigan than some new PC like Hawke.

I doubt--very much doubt--that the Warden will meet Hawke personally. To do so would be to grant a personality and voice on them, as well as a sort of "WTF" moment for people who didn't play DA2, and give the Warden a canon appearance if they're playing a new file.

If we never meet the Warden, we have zero reason to see the Warden's meeting with Morrigan.

Modifié par Saibh, 26 juillet 2010 - 04:04 .

[HighMoon]

Am I the only one who would actually like to see Anora? It's impossible for her to die in DAO. She may be a manipulative b*tch, but she is still an interesting character IMO, and there is no denying she is intelligent and knows her way around the political battlefield.



I've always wondered why Anora is so unpopular TBH. I get that she is manipulative, but hey, so is Morrigan (she even admits it), and yet she is a MUCH more popular character than Anora. Can someone explain this to me?



On second thought I guess I'm not wondering so much about her unpopularity, but at how both she and Morrigan are manipulative and yet one is clearly more favoured than the other... (And for the record, I like both characters)

[Brockololly]

Saibh wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

And while obviously the Old God Baby won't be there for everyone, Morrigan will - she's just about the only non-killable character in Origins. And if your Warden is still alive, I just think it would be more dramatic and fun to have your Warden run back into Morrigan than some new PC like Hawke.

I doubt--very much doubt--that the Warden will meet Hawke personally. To do so would be to grant a personality and voice on them, as well as a sort of "WTF" moment for people who didn't play DA2, and give the Warden a canon appearance if they're playing a new file.

If we never meet the Warden, we have zero reason to see the Warden's meeting with Morrigan.

I'm just saying that if Morrigan plays a further role in DA, I'd like it if its the Warden that gets to deal with her, given their past history- good or bad. This could be in DLC, another expack for Orgins or DA3 or something, but obviously not DA2.

The only way Hawke and the Warden would ever meet would be if in DA3 or something we play as the Warden again and meet Hawke that way. Which, provided the vague ending the Warden is given post Awakening, is possible, albeit unlikely.

[Riona45]

Golden-Rose wrote...

Am I the only one who would actually like to see Anora? It's impossible for her to die in DAO. She may be a manipulative b*tch, but she is still an interesting character IMO, and there is no denying she is intelligent and knows her way around the political battlefield.

Actually, I do like Anora, myself.  I can't say I would expect to see her in DA2--she is either locked up or Queen of Ferelden, and she probably wouldn't have reason to be in Kirkwall.  Wouldn't mind seeing her though if they squeezed her in somehow.

I have some ideas as to why she is unpopular (aside from the obvious), but I'd rather not go into them here.

[elfdwarf]

anora betray warden one or two times depend on your action

that why she is hated , i going have her rotting in prison

[phaonica]

Brockololly wrote...

I'd just be rather irked if the Warden/Morrigan storyline with the OGB never gets resolved or given any closure for the Warden before having Morrigan do whatever in DA2. If the Warden was never going to see Morrigan again, I'd have rather they just not have teased with the epilogue and being given the choice to search for her if its a foregone conclusion by BioWare that the Warden and Morrigan never meet again.

I just think any potential Morrigan sighting would be much more meaningful and emotionally engaging if it was Morrigan meeting back up with the Warden ( DR or not) than Hawke, who is just some random dude/dudette to Morrigan- there isn't any past history there.

I haven't played a game with a Morrigan romance yet, but I'd like to throw in my support that those who did should get some closure on the matter. If Morrigan or the OGB become big news in DA2, it's really unfair that a Warden who romanced her isn't allowed to be involved in the story.  Futhermore, Morrigan claimed that her intentions for the OGB were innocent and nothing for our Warden to worry about. If she or the OGB turn out to be something destructive, the wardens who caused that mess should be allowed to participate in the story. That is actually a scenario in which DA2 could make DAO not fun for people anymore.

[Saibh]

Riona45 wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...

Am I the only one who would actually like to see Anora? It's impossible for her to die in DAO. She may be a manipulative b*tch, but she is still an interesting character IMO, and there is no denying she is intelligent and knows her way around the political battlefield.

Actually, I do like Anora, myself.  I can't say I would expect to see her in DA2--she is either locked up or Queen of Ferelden, and she probably wouldn't have reason to be in Kirkwall.  Wouldn't mind seeing her though if they squeezed her in somehow.

I have some ideas as to why she is unpopular (aside from the obvious), but I'd rather not go into them here.

>[ We can no longer be friends.



I think Anora serves a really good purpose in the game--she's a character I love to hate, which always enlivens a story, to me. 

I'm going to guess, that since we have strong hints Alistair is going to make an appearance (and I'd guess most people made him king), we get to see the monarch of Ferelden at one point. If it's Anora, we'll see her.

To explain why people like Morrigan better...well...

First, Morrigan is a romance. That raises her standards in just about anyone's eyes. You get to see many different aspects of her, not just the swamp b**** kind.

Second, Morrigan isn't really that manipulative. It's been discussed elsewhere, but anything she does that could be qualified as "manipulative" isn't all that convincing or surprising. Maybe her sort of manipulation is Howe kind of manipulation--it screams to the player, but no one else. Still, we're judging her on player feelings, not Warden feelings right now.

Third, Anora flat-out betrays you. Morrigan gives you an ultimatum, one that you can accept or not. Anora double-crosses you after you went to the trouble to rescue her braided little head. Whether she was justified in doing so raise a whole 'nother argument for doing so, but still, most people don't appreciate that kind of betrayal.

Fourth, she orders Alistair's death. I know for a lot of his fans, this one was a deal-breaker. Oh, yeah, and she can be the "other woman" in your relationship with Alistair.

Modifié par Saibh, 26 juillet 2010 - 04:26 .

[elfdwarf]

anders: commander heard anora die in prison

oghren: commander of ferelden already told me, sent ex crow to assassinate her in prison.

[gangly369]

What i think would be hilarious is if Hawke was just walking through a castle and he saw zevran in the scenario zevran described happened to him when he got knocked out a window and into a moat in Antiva. You then kill all the guys that knocked him out, and when you go to look out the window, you see a bunch of street urchin stealing his shoes. That would be awesome if something like that happened in DA2 XD

[Riona45]

elfdwarf wrote...

anora betray warden one or two times depend on your action

Or never, depending on your actions.

I will point out that in my game, I made her queen, and she never ordered Alistair's death, so again, that's something she might do depending on your actions.  I think she does it if you let Loghain live (I didn't--I just had him fight Alistair).

I'm not trying to get people who dislike her to like her, I'm just pointing out that what she does in the game varies depending on what the PC does.

Modifié par Riona45, 26 juillet 2010 - 05:57 .

[Mox Ruuga]

StreetlightEagle wrote...

If they pull the same Liara **** in DA2 regarding character cameos I will honestly not buy another game they make. That was the ultimate betrayal of ME2.

I'd hope that the DA writing team is above trying crap like the Liara 180 character derailment or the "Ah yes, the "Reapers"" council lobotomy... Certainly I have more faith in them than the ME team.

[Mox Ruuga]

jln.francisco wrote...


Obviously can't speak for anyone else but Anora lacks the self respect that comes so easily to Morrigan. In the conversation where you try to convince her to marry Alistiar it sounded very much to me that Anora felt having to share yet another husband with a mistress was degrading. But it was something she had no problem doing if it meant securing her position as queen. The same thing also became apparent when you refuse to support her bid as queen and she moves against you in the Landsmeet. She will degrade herself if it means a better political position.

Compared to Morrigan who, despite all her faults, refuses to compromise herself for anyone Anora just seems weak. Morrigan may be a **** but she's no one's **** and I find that admirable.

This is the "survival before anything else" Morrigan, we are talking about? The Warden can even say to her, that there are worse things than just "dying" etc, and I think you lose approval.

Nope, survival is Morrigan's #1 priority, taught by Flemeth and her harsh upbringing.

[elearon1]

Since we're starting in Lothering I suspect we'll get a Cameo from Leliana and Sten. Be interesting to hear if they have anything memorable to say to start us out.

[mllrthyme]

My best guess would be Nathaniel, since he squired in the Free Marches.