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[Karl45]

Trusting Bioware to make another great game. Sure I would like to have origins and races, but hopefully the story will be more indepth with a single character.

[DahliaLynn]

I am actually quite relieved to finally see an *appreciation* thread, with all the arguing that's going on. It would be nice if all the anti DA2 ppl would stick their comments elsewhere.

With all the options and possibiities they have supplied us with in Origins, I would find it almost impossible to satisfy everyones personal preferences for a sequel. There are more than enough complaint threads going on all over the place, so why don't we leave this thread for those who appreciate Bioware and their incredible work on Origins, and enjoy the idea of the fresh new perspective they have in mind, as well as hope for the same jam packed quality in their sequel.  A little encouragment to those guys wouldn't hurt.

If anything, the true perspective and valid opinions will come to light *after* the game is released.



 

Modifié par DahliaLynn, 11 juillet 2010 - 12:45 .

[Aggie Punbot]

I'm not particularly fond of the fact that people seem entitled to be as nasty and rude as they want but when people are nice and encouraging they're made out to look like horrible people for doing so.

I like the games that Bioware has produced that I've played and I don't feel there's anything wrong with saying a public 'thank you' for the hours and hours of enjoyment I've gotten out of them. Are they perfect? Of course not, nothing ever is. But they're fun and I haven't regretted a minute I've spent playing them.

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 11 juillet 2010 - 12:37 .

[SmokePants]

If it were up to this forum, DA2 would be a MUD. Just do what you believe in, Bioware and make a game that is an honest reflection of the ideals and goals of your studio. Trying to please people that can't be pleased never leads anywhere.

Modifié par SmokePants, 11 juillet 2010 - 12:40 .

[Ecael]

I support Dragon Age 2 for Dragon Age 2 as a squadmate, companion and love interest.

[Tooneyman]

Ecael wrote...

I support Dragon Age 2 for Dragon Age 2 as a squadmate, companion and love interest.

^ This!

[Rubbish Hero]

I'd want a passionate user-base than one that slack jawed accepts any crap given to them.

[Ecael]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

I'd want a passionate user-base than one that slack jawed accepts any crap given to them.

Passionately disrespectful and offensive? No.

[Rubbish Hero]

Ecael wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

I'd want a passionate user-base than one that slack jawed accepts any crap given to them.

Passionately disrespectful and offensive? No.

I haven't really seen anything disrespectful or offensive. only "Oh my god we are all doomed!" type of replies. Did I miss something? 

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 11 juillet 2010 - 12:52 .

[jontepwn]

Thank you Bioware. I'm really looking forward to Dragon Age 2 and I appreciate the hard work you're going through to make the best game you possibly can. You guys are awesome!

[Ecael]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

I'd want a passionate user-base than one that slack jawed accepts any crap given to them.

Passionately disrespectful and offensive? No.

I haven't really seen anything disrespectful or offensive. only "Oh my god we are all doomed!" type of replies. Did I miss something? 

one that slack jawed accepts any crap given to them.

Modifié par Ecael, 11 juillet 2010 - 01:06 .

[McNoguff]

Brockololly wrote...

I appreciate the work the devs do too, but isn't it a bit premature to be praising a game none of us have played yet??

I've given twenty one days and seventeen hours minimum of my life, not counting Shattered Steel(I was eleven/twelve and don't have the luxury of a real estimate there), to BioWare products. And this wasn't just me, sitting in a room playing video games. These games represent a shared fiction—and a shared format for the consumption of said fiction—amongst my friends. I'm disappointed, like many, that I don't get to be an elf. Because I'm a nerd. Whatever.

Point is, Kurosawa, Kubrick and Bergman didn't know how to make a bad movie. Neither Beethoven nor Mahler knew how to write a bad symphony. BioWare has proven, thus far, that they do not know how to make a bad game. It may not be what you expect(and let's hope it's not, because it's the ingenuity and imagination of these talented people that make us come back time after time), but it will be good. Very likely exceptional.

To answer your question: No. It is not premature to praise the product or the studio producing it... We have more evidence for that with our limited info than anyone saying it's going to suck.

I don't have the Baldur's Gates anymore, but here's the figures to the best of my ability:

•Shattered Steel: Hours on DOS computers at my elementary/middle school(fifth grade)

•Baldur's Gate/Baldur's Gate II/Expansions: Several complete campaigns(that's gotta be what, fifty to a hundred hours each? We'll say fifty for each main game, and fifty total for the two expansions for a total of a hundred and fifty estimated hours)

•MDK2: Played through back in the day, maybe ten hours? And recently repurchased on Steam.

•Neverwinter Nights: I didn't own the expansions but played through a campaign in the main game(forty three hours)

•Jade Empire: Man, I need to play this again. Thirty seven hours(rounded down) as Tiger Shen

•KOTOR: Forty six hours

•Mass Effect 1 & 2: Together, my two Shepards/three playthroughs in ME1 + my two playthroughs/Shepards in ME2 = a whopping two hundred and thirty five hours of my life, almost ten full days.

•Dragon Age/Awakening/DLC: Two hundred and fourteen hours with Two Wardens... And I haven't even finished my second.

[SmokePants]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

I'd want a passionate user-base than one that slack jawed accepts any crap given to them.

For all that "passion", you don't seem to trust them as far as you could throw them.

Bioware is comprised of hundreds of extremely smart and talented people who have forgotten more about making games than you will ever know. Meanwhile, the pissants around here lack the humility to realize that Bioware made a completely informed decision when they decided on these changes. Your ilk present NOTHING that they haven't considered. And those considerations represent just a franction of what had to be considered on the whole. Bioware is a supercomputer; you guys are calculators shaped to look like owls.

We're not lapdog sycophants for sticking up for Bioware. When there's something to complain about, we'll voice our opinions respectfully. But the recent announcements are all valid artistic choices. It's the execution of those choices that can be good or bad and we don't have that information.

Modifié par SmokePants, 11 juillet 2010 - 01:16 .

[ztonkin]

BioWare's got my support on this one. I look forward to both this and ME3.

[Rubbish Hero]

Ecael wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

I'd want a passionate user-base than one that slack jawed accepts any crap given to them.

Passionately disrespectful and offensive? No.

I haven't really seen anything disrespectful or offensive. only "Oh my god we are all doomed!" type of replies. Did I miss something? 

one that slack jawed accepts any crap given to them.

I still don't see anything disrespectful here. No one is being specifically implied nor a group of people. If you want me to imply a group of people sure, Halo and Call Of Duty, eat any crap given to them.

SmokePants wrote... ]For all that "passion", you don't seem to
trust them as far as you could throw them.

Me? I go by  what I know. At the moment, it's screaming "mass effect, mass effect, mass effect" as well as the industry as a whole, pretty much giving the  finger to pc gamers in favor of console, this is logical, rational  thinking. Bioware is a business, not  your buddy. Seems to me you aren't thinking logically.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 11 juillet 2010 - 02:00 .

[Rurik948]

Unfortunately there is no any detailed information about the game. For example the new dialog system which has already caused so much grieve might be very flexible giving an opportunity to a player to choose an emotional stance of the protagonist (like sarcasm or anger), of course if the dialogs are good which by the way is one of the key features of Bioware games. We just don't know it. And yet some posts are just hysterical. One DA.O fan-site has already accused Bioware in abandoning decision-making policy and all sorts of RPG heresy. The possible reason of this mass RPG fever is the faulty PR policy of Bioware, when most part of the users are not able even to read a detailed preview unless they are lucky subscribers or buyers of Game-Informer magazine. A big favor to Game-Informer but not to the Bioware.

[Dennis Carpenter]

Well inspite of the good work bioware has done now and in the past the peoples venting over VO appears to be justified simply by playing Lelianas DLC. You can see by her VO each time it is something other then what is written in the conversation block. THAT apparently is what will be coming out of your character .....SOMETHING OTHER THEN WHAT YOU CHOSE..... I think its a valid complaint just unfortunate its a moot point because its to late to change it now so we will live with it and still enjoy the game just not as much as others bioware has done. Hopefully they will notice and make some corrections or they will just ignore us. Either way its there game and we pay to play it ....or not. Your choice.

[Demx]

lol I was wondering when this was going to appear. It's sooner than I expected.

[Fexelea]

Abriael_CG wrote...

I find it quite funny to see people whining about the ones that complain without knowing much about the upcoming game, while posting a long winded post saying how much they love a game without knowing much at all about it.

QFT

[Swoo]

Abriael_CG wrote...

I find it quite funny to see people whining about the ones that complain without knowing much about the upcoming game, while posting a long winded post saying how much they love a game without knowing much at all about it.

And I love the people telling me that blind faith is so much better.

Am I never, ever going to buy DA2 or even consider it? No. I'm on the fence right now, I don't know if I want to like it or dislike it currently so I'm waiting to hear more. Have they given enough information so far for people to be able to form opinions of 'This game is really sounding cool', 'This game sounds like trash'? Yes, yes they have.

[SmokePants]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Me? I go by  what I know. At the moment, it's screaming "mass effect, mass effect, mass effect" as well as the industry as a whole, pretty much giving the  finger to pc gamers in favor of console, this is logical, rational  thinking. Bioware is a business, not  your buddy. Seems to me you aren't thinking logically.

Care to play some mad libs?

"the [liberal media] pretty much giving the  finger to [family values] in favor of [homosexuals], this is logical, rational  thinking"

Maybe you guys could take this straight to Fox News. That always gets Bioware's attention.

And how arrogant and jaded do you have to be to assume that if Bioware is doing something you don't agree with, it must be because they're trying to appease a mainstream audience and not because it's what they actually want to do from a creative standpoint. You can't make games on Bioware's level unless you have hard-working developers with good instincts and ideas, who follow those instincts and implement those ideas.

I mean, HELLO! Mass Effect 2 will be remembered as the best game of 2010 by many, many people and publications. It's not like they laid an egg with that one.

Dennis Carpenter wrote...

Well inspite of the good work
bioware has done now and in the past the peoples venting over VO
appears to be justified simply by playing Lelianas DLC. You can see by
her VO each time it is something other then what is written in the
conversation block. THAT apparently is what will be coming out of your
character .....SOMETHING OTHER THEN WHAT YOU CHOSE..... I think its a
valid complaint just unfortunate its a moot point because its to late
to change it now so we will live with it and still enjoy the game just
not as much as others bioware has done. Hopefully they will notice and
make some corrections or they will just ignore us. Either way its there
game and we pay to play it ....or not. Your choice.

They have the character say different lines, because it would be redundant as Hell to have them spend 5 seconds repeating what you already read. People would be mashing through the conversations. There wouldn't be any point. With third-person narrative, the player character is not transparent and therefore has to react to the player's manipulation just like any NPC would. There were a few times in the original Mass Effect where Sheperd parroted exactly what was selected and it was terribly awkward.

But yeah, why on Earth would BioWare embrace a method that they pioneered? So what if Mass Effect 2 wins Game of the Year, they need to go back to making RPG's the same way people have made RPG's for 15 years, because that is the only "correct" way.

Sarcasm.

Modifié par SmokePants, 11 juillet 2010 - 04:45 .

[Wishpig]

If I get a dwarf companion... I'm happy. If there's no dwarf companion... I'm sad



I'm a simple customer.

[Letholdus]

Haha just made a thread similar to this But thank you Bioware

[saphirekosmos]

Yea not all of us are foaming at the mouth with hatred before we even get a real look at the game. I'll admit: I'm not a fan of the wheel, but that is just because it felt kinda awkward for me on the pc. Take the same words, but put them in a list format and I'd have zero problem with it. From what I have seen you guys don't make bad games. At worst you would make an above average game. You guys are the Pixar of RPGs in my opinion. Don't let the haters get you down, some of us are genuinely excited and looking forward to DA2. There are only 2 reasons I have not pre-ordered yet: 1- no monies. 2- want to wait and see if there is a collectors edition. XD Keep up the great work, can't wait to see some more info about DA2.

[Last Darkness]

Too many knee jerk reactions to change.