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[Maverick827]

Though most will likely disagree (or maybe most will agree agree, as it's currently cool to hate BioWare), Dragon Age has very little replayability.

Perhaps a better way to state that is, when playing a character, in the back of my mind I can't help but wonder "why?"

I know how the story ends.  After the first play through, everything is simply metagaming for the preferred outcome. "I have it in my mind that Warden#7 should betray the Elves; that's just the kind of guy he is."  And you do betray the Elves, and you do get to see that scene.  But again, why?  Why bother to make sure you get every quest out of the way, to collect gear and construct a character to the best of your ability?

With online games, this answer is easy.  You better your character so, in comparison and in games of contest, you have a leg up.  Everything accrues over the years, and will even trickle down to new characters.  But we have nothing like this in Dragon Age.

A popular mechanic, or so I seem to recall from many years ago, is to allow the player to "re-play" through the campaign with a previous character, perhaps in a new level bracket unachievable through the first play.  This is obvious absent from Origins, and perhaps with good reason.

But now we have Hawke.  Hawke is Hawke, and Hawke will always be Hawke.  I'm going to say Hawke one more time just to anger the upstarts who are still nerdragiing.

Could we perhaps see a similar mechanic, in which a Dragon Age 2 campaign could begin with a previously-completed level 25 Hawke, with enemies and party members scaled?  I'm currently trying to justify yet another Dragon Age playthrough as being fun over, say, writing essays and reading textbooks.

Modifié par Maverick827, 10 juillet 2010 - 11:22 .

[Jestina]

I don't think this game is going to have much replay value since it seems to be going in the ME direction.

[Arttis]

I replay for all the small things.

SO for me there is much replayability.

Often i would quit though.

I rarely ever reach endgame nowadays.

[Maverick827]

Jestina wrote...

I don't think this game is going to have much replay value since it seems to be going in the ME direction.

I agree, it is a terrible thing that these forums do not allot the topic creator the right to remove pointless, ignorant, and completely illogical posts from his thread.

[Stalky24]

There, in fact, be more replayability then in original DA:O, only with the same character.

[DraCZeQQ]

well i my replays i usually make some "goal" ... like Nightmare with Dog only ... or Nightmare with Leliana only and no death ... :-)

[hexaligned]

Well replayability is a subjective concept depending on what aspects of the game you find interesting. Personally I enjoy messing around and tinkering with character builds, so DAO had at least some replayability for me.

[Anathemic]

Maverick827 wrote...

Though most will likely disagree (or maybe most will agree agree, as it's currently cool to hate BioWare), Dragon Age has very little replayability.

Perhaps a better way to state that is, when playing a character, in the back of my mind I can't help but wonder "why?"

I know how the story ends.  After the first play through, everything is simply metagaming for the preferred outcome. "I have it in my mind that Warden#7 should betray the Elves; that's just the kind of guy he is."  And you do betray the Elves, and you do get to see that scene.  But again, why?  Why bother to make sure you get every quest out of the way, to collect gear and construct a character to the best of your ability?

With online games, this answer is easy.  You better your character so, in comparison and in games of contest, you have a leg up.  Everything accrues over the years, and will even trickle down to new characters.  But we have nothing like this in Dragon Age.

A popular mechanic, or so I seem to recall from many years ago, is to allow the player to "re-play" through the campaign with a previous character, perhaps in a new level bracket unachievable through the first play.  This is obvious absent from Origins, and perhaps with good reason.

But now we have Hawke.  Hawke is Hawke, and Hawke will always be Hawke.  I'm going to say Hawke one more time just to anger the upstarts who are still nerdragiing.

Could we perhaps see a similar mechanic, in which a Dragon Age 2 campaign could begin with a previously-completed level 25 Hawke, with enemies and party members scaled?  I'm currently trying to justify yet another Dragon Age playthrough as being fun over, say, writing essays and reading textbooks.

What people seem to not understand is that, replayability is so much more that getting different outcomes. It goes along with the ability of role-playing, you role-play the character into being different, transcending what the game limits, DA:O replayability value is better than ME's because it doesn't have that many restrictions on immersing into a chracter.
It's not about the journey, choices, outcomes, of what the game implies, it's the character and how you make it.

To the bolded statment, you are not that much better by taunting people to 'nerdrage' on here

[Jestina]

Well on Origins I could play my Dwarf noble, or my commoner Dwarf Rogue, or my Dalish Elf, or my city Elf...and the game would be a little different each run through...with my characters origin swinging decisions. That's the joy of RPG's.

Now we've got one character...a predefined human Shepard. It might make a nice movie, but it doesn't make a for a nice game.

[Maverick827]

Anathemic wrote...

To the bolded statment, you are not that much better by taunting people to 'nerdrage' on here

The difference is I am not assuming anything.  They are annoying, impatient, and childish.  Those are facts.

Their nerdrage is based off of five facts and two screenshots more than half a year away from a proposed release date.

[ArcanistLibram]

Maiq the Liar wrote...

Tell M'aiq, do we have flying cars in the future, since, you know, you have already played DA2?

Actually... http://www.terrafugia.com/

[Anathemic]

Maverick827 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

To the bolded statment, you are not that much better by taunting people to 'nerdrage' on here

The difference is I am not assuming anything.  They are annoying, impatient, and childish.  Those are facts.

Their nerdrage is based off of five facts and two screenshots more than half a year away from a proposed release date.

Well to be more accurate 5 facts, 2 screenshots, 1 confirmed dialogue wheel.

Still in all seriousness, you are no better than them if you are going to insult rather than put up a reasonable opinion or request to stop like others did.
These are the forums, get used to the hype and the arguing, and the debating over a new game, this is not going to go away, no need for put-downs

[Arttis]

Lets just say reasonable people often avoid forums.

[Altima Darkspells]

Consider the very minimum you have to play to get all the 'main' points of the game:



One origin+Main game=60-ish hours.



Five more origins at around 90-120 each: 7.5-10 more hours.



That's not even counting playing through as a physical class and playing again as a mage, which have radically different playstyles.



So a minimalist approach to DAO will net you at least 70 hours. Which is around four times the size of ME2.



Then there are the multiple endings and the multiple ways to resolve issues. Do you get the last character? Do you sacrifice anyone?



...How high a toll of named character deaths you can accomplish? >.> That's a fun one.



As opposed to games like KotOR, where you can get *everything* from the game in two playthroughs--one male, one female, one light side, one dark side. This seems to be where DA2 is headed.

[Khayness]

3 classes, that's 3 playthroughs for sure by default. Not to mention possible class specialisations.

[Arttis]

2h warrior or rogue

archery warrior and rogue

Weapon and shield warrior

DW warrior and rogue

Primal mage

Creation mage

etc etc.

All the different options.

[Anathemic]

And the moral compass you can make with each of your characters, the playthroughs are literally endless

[Maverick827]

Oh well, I guess a +=startingLevel to creatures and items across the board would be too difficult.

[hexaligned]

Arttis wrote...

Lets just say reasonable people often avoid forums.

I don't think I've met a single reasonable human being in my 27 years of life, forum dweller or not.  Some are just better at pretending they are impartial.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Funnily enough, I rarely replay games. I replay parts of games, but the only games where I've ever completed replays (and I've attempted them in many) have been the KOTOR games and the BG series. Every game has a level for me that becomes "That level where Sable gets stuck upon replay."

[Tooneyman]

There is more replay ability in DA:O and the Mass effect series than most games. I've played MAss effect and DA:O more than I play Elder scrolls and Fallout 3 and that saying something. I've always learned something new each time I played the games. OP you seem like the type who just plays a games and doesn't try to learn anything about it. Try playing Mass effect and make different decisions you be suprised what you would learn.

[Gegenlicht]

Maverick827 wrote...

With online games, this answer is easy.  You better your character so, in comparison and in games of contest, you have a leg up.  Everything accrues over the years, and will even trickle down to new characters.  But we have nothing like this in Dragon Age.

There are four different types of (online) players, they say. Achievers, Explorers, Killers and Socializers. You seem to be an Achiever, which is a valid thing to be, but not everyone is one.

Having a leg up in comparison to some guy I don't know and don't care about doesn't give me anything for example.


At any rate. Why would you play the game again? Why would you watch a movie again, read a book again?

Apart from trying to find the little differences between all six origins and trying out all three classes, the sum of parts being different each time does offer a different overall experience. But it's a matter of both immersing yourself in the game and enjoying what you're doing.

[Tooneyman]

Gegenlicht wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

With online games, this answer is easy.  You better your character so, in comparison and in games of contest, you have a leg up.  Everything accrues over the years, and will even trickle down to new characters.  But we have nothing like this in Dragon Age.

There are four different types of (online) players, they say. Achievers, Explorers, Killers and Socializers. You seem to be an Achiever, which is a valid thing to be, but not everyone is one.

Having a leg up in comparison to some guy I don't know and don't care about doesn't give me anything for example.


At any rate. Why would you play the game again? Why would you watch a movie again, read a book again?

Apart from trying to find the little differences between all six origins and trying out all three classes, the sum of parts being different each time does offer a different overall experience. But it's a matter of both immersing yourself in the game and enjoying what you're doing.

You get a cookie

[Arttis]

Tooneyman wrote...

Gegenlicht wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

With online games, this answer is easy.  You better your character so, in comparison and in games of contest, you have a leg up.  Everything accrues over the years, and will even trickle down to new characters.  But we have nothing like this in Dragon Age.

There are four different types of (online) players, they say. Achievers, Explorers, Killers and Socializers. You seem to be an Achiever, which is a valid thing to be, but not everyone is one.

Having a leg up in comparison to some guy I don't know and don't care about doesn't give me anything for example.


At any rate. Why would you play the game again? Why would you watch a movie again, read a book again?

Apart from trying to find the little differences between all six origins and trying out all three classes, the sum of parts being different each time does offer a different overall experience. But it's a matter of both immersing yourself in the game and enjoying what you're doing.

You get a cookie

Tasty looking cookie.