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[BlackAcerbic]

Morrigan wanted the Grimoire so that she could give birth to a God/Goddess (arch-demon, cleansed of the taint) and then inhabit it like Flemeth has been doing to her daughters.. the difference being that Morrigan seeks to become a Goddess rather than just another witch of the wilds.



My 2 cents, anyway.

[Theramond]

Reiella wrote...

Spoiler

What is interesting to me, is that the story of Flemeth's immortality is exactly the same of the Archdemons.

I thought it was possible that Flemeth is actually the incarnation of a previous archdemon (trying to save the remaining Old Gods using the same method that allowed her to incarnate in human form). Morrigan states that Flemeth is an abomination, perhaps she is the spirit of an Old God. Interesting how Flemeth can shapeshift into the form of a high dragon...

Why and how is it that the darkspawn invasion occured near Flemeth's hut? I know she stated that she was using a spell to protect the place, but is that really true? Perhaps they can sense that she is an Old God...

The fact that Flemeth is very old might be an allusion to being an Old  God. It appears that Flemeth has been around for centuries. According to the opening cutscence, the ending of the last blight occured 400 centuries ago, which may be around the time that Flemeth had also appeared...

I believe the plan was to take over Morrigan's body once the child was born, so that Flemeth could raise the child herself... Not to take over the child but to save Urthemeil and the remaining Old Gods. Think of it... The Old Gods call out to the darkspawn (the magisters who once worshipped them) so that it could be free from their imprisonment. Once it is free the curse of the Maker persists, as it is becomes tainted by the darkspawn. Now there must be something to "free" it from the effect of the taint itself, and that is to be reborn again into human form (with the taint, contradictively). Once this occurs, the Old Gods can finally be free, able to exact vengeance or act out according to their underlying plan that remained unfinished since their imprisonment, and thwarted by the blackening of the Golden City...

Morrigan said...
The child will bear the taint, and when the archdemon is slain, its essence will seek the child like a beacon... Allow me to say that what I seek is the essence of the Old God that once was and not the dark forces that corrupted it...The child will represent freedom for an ancient power, a chance to be reborn apart from the taint...

Morrigan said...
It is old magic, from a time before the Circle of Magi was created. Some might call it blood magic, but that is but a name... From Flemeth, of course. I have known about it for some time...This is what my mother intended when she sent me with you. She was the one who first gave me this ritual and told me of what I was meant to do.

The Circle of Magi was formed sometime during the Divine age after a protest between mages and the chantry. The Divine age marks a time period sometime before, and during the First Blight...

From dragonage.wikia.com...
800 TE: The first effort to free the Old Gods from their underground
prisons is undertaken by the most powerful magister lords, who open a
gate to the Golden city at the heart of the Fade.

800 TE is a time period that occured 300 TE before the beginning of the Divine age. It appears likely that the subplot to transfer the soul of the archdemon into a child, ties in with the underlying melodrama. The magisters have been attempting to free the Old Gods for ages, even in darkspawn form...

From dragonage.wikia.com...
The Chantry teaches that the Old Gods were false.They turned mortals from worship of the Maker, recognized as "the First Sin". As a result, the Maker imprisoned them underground. Their minds continued to roam the Fade like any other dreaming individual's mind would, and they were able to contact the Magisters and teach them to use magic in hope that the magisters might free them. It was for this reason that the magisters entered the Golden City to usurp the Maker's throne, inadvertently causing the First Blight

I believe it is likely that Morrigan is possessed by Flemeth at some point in time, perhaps Just before the landsmeet. As someone mentioned below, the robes of possession might be hinting at something...

Robes of Possession Description:
The original intent of these robes is clear a "welcome home" present
from Flemeth, designed to sap Morrigan's will and ease the ancient
sorceress' possession of her daughter. With Flemeth dead, these robes
no long pose a danger to Morrigan -- but Maker help those who get in
her way.

Or so we think, or perhaps that is what Flemeth wants us to think

If Morrigan and the PC were outsmarted by Flemeth, this could account for the mentioned inconsistency. And think of it, why would outsmarting a centuries old, powerful abomination be this easy?:

Mylista wrote...
if i remember correctly from the pitch
morrigan makes to you to grant her a child she pretty much says she was
taught the ritual. pretty wierd considering previously she didn't seem
to know it existed. its either a mistake in dialogue or deliberate and
a unitentional faux pas. if its a faux pas then one of 2 thigns occured.

Any subtle inconsistencies with Morrigan's behavior might hint towards a successful possession.

Modifié par Theramond, 01 janvier 2010 - 09:45 .

[Mylista]

if i remember correctly from the pitch morrigan makes to you to grant her a child she pretty much says she was taught the ritual. pretty wierd considering previously she didn't seem to know it existed. its either a mistake in dialogue or deliberate and a unitentional faux pas. if its a faux pas then one of 2 thigns occured.



Morrigan has been playing you all along



or



Flemeth through a clever ploy using both you and morrigan has taken some sort of residence in morrigan (and i thought about the robes of possession to, interesting that they have -1 will). she seemed to eager to help and give away her possessions to me.



either way it makes things very interesting to wonder wtf is going on.



a lot of good points her about the souls though. i sure as heck didn't think of the abominations and the fact they are kinda 2 souls. makes you wonder if the wardens know as much as they believe.

[menasure]

internaty inmortelaty wrote...

i just killed flemmeth not only because or morigan request but aslo bucause femmeth takes life that arent her to claim and dus must be banish to hell for high triason.

you mean those templars who are coming after them and who get a warning before they are killed?

[Dacenar]

Morgain is giving brith to a God. VIllian in Dragon Age 2?



-Aldonna

[vortex590]

Dacenar wrote...

Morgain is giving brith to a God. VIllian in Dragon Age 2?

-Aldonna

Or the new PC like Baldur's Gate.

[Wisewulf]

asaiasai wrote...

I have had this situation with Morrigan/Flemeth tossing aroun din my head for a few days now and the only thing that makes sence is as the title says. I know what you folks are going to say, but i will make my case below.

1) Not possible as both characters appear on the screen at the same time.
True enough but do you even interact with either more than conversation? Flemeth/Morrigan is a being of great power, would it be a stretch to consider that either one is a manifestation of pure will power?

2) No female to female option for romance with Morrigan.
This one is a bit more difficult to explain aside from the "she don't swing that way argument". My take from Flemeth/Morrigan's personality is that this woman is a nonsence type, sex without the chance of procreation would be pointless.

3)The Grimware says that Flemeth steals the bodies of her daughters.
Does the Grimware say that? How do you know you can not read it, it is a gift and so you are reliant on Flemeth/Morrigan telling you that is what it says.

4) I killed Flemeth.
Did you? See the Grimware says that Flemeth steals the bodies of her daughters according to Morrigan, and she is quite specific that YOU have to go fight Flemeth while she is not there or Flemeth might jump into her body. Since my supposition is that at any give time either Morrigan or Flemeth is nothing more than a manifestation of will power while they are both in the same place, it is much simpler to say that Morrigan has to stay at camp during the Flemeth fight.

5) If Flemeth/Morrigan was only interested in Allister why save both you and him after the battle?
What better way to ensure the survival of a Grey Warden that to provide a second Grey Warden to watch his back.

6)Why send Morrigan along with the Grey Wardens why not just breed him right after?
This one is tricky again but what better way to test the blood line of a throughbred that to watch it while it runs a few races and see how it does. It is much simpler to be involved and watch as a member of the team than to try and spy on the team from a distance, it is less suspicious this way.

7)Why is it necessary to fight and kill Flemeth for her diary?
Flemeth/Morrigan is a being of great power and you just do not walk in and rifle through her unmentionables drawer without some sort of repercussions. This way again is less suspicious, and the party now thinks Flemeth is gone, and will stop worring about her. If you just walk in and walk out Flemeth would want her book back. The diary contains information that could be used against her and this is something you would want to keep close.

In the end Flemeth/Morrigan has always stated it is a game, what better wat to inject and quite possibly steer the outcome by becoming a participant in the contest, especially considering no one really knows you are in it.

Anyway this has been rattling around in my brain for a few days now and i am curious as to how many of you feel the same or even different. The last thing i would want is for the folks at Bioware to say is "Scrap everything we have been working on for the last few months some poncy little git has spoiled our suprise!". What do you think i am interested.

Asai

In my game after agreeing with Morrigan that i'd kill her mum. After visiting I did not have to kill her instead she gives me the book which Morrigan wanted. It is possible to end a quest without killing the mother.<3

[Mylista]

something interesting came to mind after playing again.

while going through the tower ofishtal or whatever you have a brief conversation with alister as to why the darkspawn are there. one of the options is to say " they may know about the plan"

considerign they were very far south of where you see the bulk of the horde in deep roads, and considering flemeths location to ostagar, her possessing the treaties, and her timly rescue. it could be that she may be what caused the darkspawn to travel there in the first place. maybe she caused the darkspawn to find the old god near the deep roads to begin with. considerign on two ofccations in dreams and in person you see the archdemon in the deep roads , makes me wonder if somethign else was behind the horde at ostagar. and if you watch just before king dies duncan looks as if hes hearing somethign direct the ogre directly at the king.

somethign knew the tower plan. and sense the archdemon was in the deep roads somethign had to have directed the darkspawn at the tower. if it was flemeth then it would make it very easy for her to knwo when and where to save you. because logicly her plan could not hindge on any other wardens surviving , including duncan. two new or semi clueless wardens are far easier to dupe then a experience warden or even a much larger group.

saving the wardens accomplished her goal. but the cercumstances involved make me think she had more to do with the ostagar slaughter then anyone realizes. maybe the archdemon isn't the true evil beind the blight after all. maybe its just a scape goat used in a larger plan to ressuract and untainted god.

keep the ideas flowing i am enjoying reading them all. keeps me thinkign about thigns i might have missed and makes we wanna run through it yet again.. you all rock

Modifié par Mylista, 01 janvier 2010 - 09:13 .

[Bhatair]

Wait wait wait...

So we give her her own journal, which she pretends to study.

After she finishes she makes up some rubbish about it not being her real journal and sends us off to kill...her and retrieve her real journal so that she can study it.



Whaaaat?

[DJ0000]

Reiella wrote...

End Game Spoiler [Wraa]

Spoiler

What is interesting to me, is that the story of Flemeth's immortality is exactly the same of the Archdemons.

I didn't think of that but now you mention it that is very interesting.

[Rhinna]

The more I think about it, the more I think Flemeth is a blood Mage Grey Warden. Why?



-She saves the only two Grey Wardens in Ferelden (at great peril, mind you) who can destroy the Archdemon (which is...a tainted Old God)



-She preserves the Grey Warden documents, even after the seals had been broken in time. Why bother? they were rights of Conscription - of no use to anyone *except* Grey Wardens, and *only* in times of dire need, i.e. a Blight.



- Avernus was alive hundreds of years later - why not others? That would explain Flemeth's reasons for preserving the Grey Wardens, and her knowledge that it was an actual Blight (if she was tainted, she would sense the archdemon)



-She also sends Morrigan along with the Grey Wardens - knowing full well the risk of doing so. If she was going to "inhabit" Morrigan's body - why would she take such a great risk? No, I think she was protecting the Grey Wardens - she knew that both were rather new and inexperienced, and she figured help from someone who knew the "old magic" would be beneficial.



-I'm not sure the grimoire in First Enchanter Irving's office was Flemeths' - it just says "Black Grimoire"...although Morrigan assumes it is, and gives you some line...and when you get Flemeth's "real" grimoire from her hut...who is to say that she recorded *everything*. How do you know that Morrigan herself hasn't decided to branch off for herself and do something behind Flemeth's back?



-The Old Gods were imprisoned deep within the earth by the Maker. They call to the darkspawn to release them, but are then tainted. So...Flemeth cannot be an "Old God" unless...there was an archdemon released that we don't know about, and if there was, it certainly would NOT want to help the Grey Wardens in any way, shape, or form.

[CRGiles_]

Unless I am wrong...at the end of the game.....



When you are talking to companions before going out to talk to the people, you can also talk to your brother (human noble) Fergis.

He states that he was taken care of in a hut out in the Wilds after his scouting...

So, did Flemmeth breed him while Morrigan was with you during all the quests?

[Fleshsucker]

Well not to change the subject but if Morrigan was Flemmeth ect.. why dint i get the option to make here a dragon in her shape shifting line ..that would have been useful (chuckles)

[Doyle41]

Morrigan learned the secret of her mother's strength and longevity. Morrigan will become the next Flemeth. As Flemeth "consumed" her children to prolong her life, Morrigan will also use this child to bind with her. Therefore she will aquire the demon powers that her mother possessed. Morrigan said that power was above all else, what better way to achieve such a feat? Morrigan manipulates the hero into killing Flemeth "supposedly" and letting Morrigan to gain the secrets that will make her as strong as her mother.

[eschilde]

I seriously doubt that Flemeth is an archdemon. If that were true, striking a kb on her would kill a GW. Also, GWs are supposed to be able to sense the taint, so I imagine at the very least Alistair would be WTF coming face to face with something like that.



Flemeth being a blood mage has to be true, blood magic deals with the summoning and binding of spirits, doesn't it? But whether or not she's a GW is unknown, it's possible that she's just lived long enough to see them all die and figured it out. It's even possible that she knows how/why the old gods get corrupted and maybe even where the darkspawn came from.



I think it is much more likely that Flemeth and Morrigan are not one entity in two bodies. I am curious about what actually happens when Flemeth takes over a new body though. Does the soul of Morrigan become part of the soul of Flemeth, then? Would she still exist in some way as part of a greater whole? Flemeth being an abomination, it's very hard to tell whether her mind is more human or spirit driven, or maybe just an entirely different entity altogether.

[Bagheeris]

DJ0000 wrote...

Reiella wrote...

End Game Spoiler [Wraa]

Spoiler

What is interesting to me, is that the story of Flemeth's immortality is exactly the same of the Archdemons.

I didn't think of that but now you mention it that is very interesting.

Actually i was toying with this idea as well. Morrigan is quite confident that the dark ritual is going to work. She knows it from Flemmeth. How does Flemmeth know?

My speculation - because that's the way Flemmeth was created. I don't think there's anything in game (don't know about novels) which would completely exclude the possibility that the dark ritual did already happen once before. It could perhaps happen by chance - after all, how did the first Grey Wardens discover the option to prevent Archdemon from re-spawning? Through experiments, more-or-less.

Second supporting arguement is the simple fact that Flemmeth can shapeshift into a dragon and the old gods, when awakened and tainted by darkspawn, take the same form. Can be pure coincidence ofc ...

BTW Grimoires are not important for Dark ritual. Morrigan will offer it even if she is not given the grimoire from Mage Tower (tested ingame).

[Nicophorus_AS]

Mylista wrote...

please play through and pay close attention to the dialogue after reciveing the black grimour.. not flemeths.. something doesn't jive and i never said they were the same person just that maybe one has been evicted and the other has taken residence.

she goes from not having a clue as to why flemeth sent her with, you to suddenly knowing full well why flemeth sent her with  you even stating that she was prepared and told about it. and having raised her daughter and shaped her its not a far strech to know her well enough to act like her. and considering you don't actualy spend that much time with her you can never get to know her on the level flemeth does.

I have played through on every origin and some several times, (i realy like this game) and firmly believe in my theory. 
this thing may be to complicated atm for us to understand without knowing more about flemeth and morrigan. but who know you could be right as well.

but i guess it will probably be revieled fully in dragon age 2 or whatever.

If you are involved in a romance with Leliana when you return Flemeth's real grimoire, you get an interesting reaction from Morrigan.  Specifically, you have to move the Morrigan relationship towards friendship.

1.  Morrigan is generally shocked to have a relationship with a man that does not involve sex
2.  Morrigan states it is far too early to make promises of always having each others back
3.  Morrigan looks quite sad and, at least in my read of the situation, evidences some significant awareness of something to come which is - not so nice in the friend department

Now, frankly that just doesn't strike me as Flemeth.

It does, however, strike me as Morrigan with much more knowledge of Flemeth's plan than she has ever let on.

[TSamee]

Agh... I do realise that I sound like a sappy romantic here, but if Morrigan was merely manipulating you, it means that every single thing you tried to make her see the other side of the world and life (love, happiness, fulfilment rather than power and survival of the fittest) was for nothing. This could be delivered as a massive, massive kick in the balls, and break your desire to do anything to rebuild the Wardens/fight Darkspawn, and your will to live. Granted, it could be quite good, in the sick, perverse way these things can be, but I'd feel fairly annoyed.



Also, we know too little about Morrigan or Flemeth to make assumptions as radical as them being the same person at this stage. The only really guaranteed thing is that Morrigan was part of Flemeth's larger plan (or Morrigan/Flemeth had a larger plan, etc.) There are so many potential explanations to who they could be (dragon cultists for one; they both have the same unnatural eye-colour, and Morrigan was silent when we stormed Haven), that we can't assume anything about her origins, plans and motives. To be honest, it's also prettymuch given that manipulating the Warden to agree to the Dark Ritual was also the purpose of Morrigan coming with you.



However, let's not forget that people can change. If you harden Alistair, he'll have a colder outlook on the world; he'll understand how people behave realistically. If you make Loghain a Warden, an unhardened Alistair goes off into the world, and becomes a wasted drunkard, waiting for the Taint to consume him.



The same might, to an extent, apply to Morrigan. Maybe, if she and the PC were on bad terms, she'll simply use him/her to have the child (or get their consent first so they believe it's to stop the Blight, etc.). Or, perhaps, if you actually tried to change her outlook, she'll have taken some of it onboard, and might actually, as the epilogue suggests, be missing you. Maybe she'll deviate from Flemeth's plan and raise the child differently/not possess it.



If Morrigan was with you during the duration of her journey, then the most interesting part of her life was, to an extent, shaped by your decisions. Those memories will be among the strongest in her mind when she decides (if she hasn't already) on what to do with the child. Thus, it's actually very plausible that we could have decided the fate of Thedas (or part of its future, certainly) based purely on how we treated Morrigan.



Some people would call it arbitrary and unfair, I find it to be quite realistic. We're all shaped by what happens around us, so why not Morrigan?

[ShadowAldrius]

I seriously doubt that Flemeth is an archdemon. If that were true, striking a kb on her would kill a GW. Also, GWs are supposed to be able to sense the taint, so I imagine at the very least Alistair would be WTF coming face to face with something like that.

Flemeth is definitely not tainted. But that doesn't mean she's not an Archdemon (well, an old god.) As far as proof goes, I think this is relatively simple and fairly irrefutable.



1) Flemeth prolongs her life by snatching the body of another. The Archdemon prolongs it's life by snatching the body of another. In the case of Flemeth, she's untainted and a mage, so she occupies the body of another untainted mage. In the case of the Archdemon, it's tainted, so it occupies the body of a tainted Darkspawn.



2) Flemeth is a shape-shifter. The Archdemon is a shape-shifter. When Flemeth possesses the body of a mage she is capable of shape-shifting into a dragon. When the Archdemon possesses a darkspawn, it shapeshifts into a dragon.



3) Flemeth knows about the ritual. Why does she know about the ritual? Why does she care whether the Old God lives or dies? She could want to possess it I suppose, but Flemeth is already almost as powerful as the Archdemon, and so I see little point in her doing so. (Plus the child is already possessed by Urthmuriel's spirit... that might cause some complications.)



4) Flemeth shows absolutely zero signs of being an abomination. No hideous boils, no echo-y voice, and her goals don't really make sense for an abomination either. They're nothing like what Abomination-Uldred or Abomination-Conner wanted.



Based on all that, I'm pretty sure that Flemeth is an old god-possessed human, similar to what Morrigan's child will be.

[Joshd21]

asaiasai wrote...

I have had this situation with Morrigan/Flemeth tossing aroun din my head for a few days now and the only thing that makes sence is as the title says. I know what you folks are going to say, but i will make my case below.

1) Not possible as both characters appear on the screen at the same time.
True enough but do you even interact with either more than conversation? Flemeth/Morrigan is a being of great power, would it be a stretch to consider that either one is a manifestation of pure will power?

2) No female to female option for romance with Morrigan.
This one is a bit more difficult to explain aside from the "she don't swing that way argument". My take from Flemeth/Morrigan's personality is that this woman is a nonsence type, sex without the chance of procreation would be pointless.

3)The Grimware says that Flemeth steals the bodies of her daughters.
Does the Grimware say that? How do you know you can not read it, it is a gift and so you are reliant on Flemeth/Morrigan telling you that is what it says.

4) I killed Flemeth.
Did you? See the Grimware says that Flemeth steals the bodies of her daughters according to Morrigan, and she is quite specific that YOU have to go fight Flemeth while she is not there or Flemeth might jump into her body. Since my supposition is that at any give time either Morrigan or Flemeth is nothing more than a manifestation of will power while they are both in the same place, it is much simpler to say that Morrigan has to stay at camp during the Flemeth fight.

5) If Flemeth/Morrigan was only interested in Allister why save both you and him after the battle?
What better way to ensure the survival of a Grey Warden that to provide a second Grey Warden to watch his back.

6)Why send Morrigan along with the Grey Wardens why not just breed him right after?
This one is tricky again but what better way to test the blood line of a throughbred that to watch it while it runs a few races and see how it does. It is much simpler to be involved and watch as a member of the team than to try and spy on the team from a distance, it is less suspicious this way.

7)Why is it necessary to fight and kill Flemeth for her diary?
Flemeth/Morrigan is a being of great power and you just do not walk in and rifle through her unmentionables drawer without some sort of repercussions. This way again is less suspicious, and the party now thinks Flemeth is gone, and will stop worring about her. If you just walk in and walk out Flemeth would want her book back. The diary contains information that could be used against her and this is something you would want to keep close.

In the end Flemeth/Morrigan has always stated it is a game, what better wat to inject and quite possibly steer the outcome by becoming a participant in the contest, especially considering no one really knows you are in it.

Anyway this has been rattling around in my brain for a few days now and i am curious as to how many of you feel the same or even different. The last thing i would want is for the folks at Bioware to say is "Scrap everything we have been working on for the last few months some poncy little git has spoiled our suprise!". What do you think i am interested.

Asai

While you bring up some interesting points. I'm sure not going to poke holes in it. However Might I add, that there is a time in a convo with Shale and Morrgian. Where Shale accuses her of the swampwitch of having the plan to kill her mother all long.

Morrgian: That was clearly in self defense. I did not know of my mother's plan untill I read it in her own writing.

Shale: No one can read the book but the swampwitch herself. Perhaps the book if a book of recipies

Morrgian: I can teach you to read the book if you like and you can see for yourself.

Shale doesn't approve of reading the book himself. Though he does make a point no one can read the book but her.

But back to my point, there is times in camp that you can have sex with Morrgian, and this is before the dark ritual. Wouldn't having sex in camp tent be pointless?

Morrgian: Tis cold in my tent all alone.

PC: Well we can't have that

Morrgian: So you will keep me warm, whatever shall we do in that tiny little space

PC: I'm sure we will think of something

However "After" you give Morrgian the book of her real mothers book she refuses to have sex, claiming her love weakness. Though it could be that her Mother has tooken over her body during that time and just doesn't want to have sex.

Though you can certaintly kiss her all you want.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are the same person, because Morrgian's mother has some details to her left unfinished. She is really an old powerfull witch and I'm not sure fighting the dragon part, was that epic ending for her mother.

Or maybe her mother simply will return later in a new body. People have brought up the idea before they could be one and I won't dismiss it. Anything is possible


edited, you don't have to fight her Morrgian's mother for the diary there is also an option that she gives it to you and asks you to tell Morrgian she is slain. However if they were the same person, this could be Morrgian seeing if you will truely double cross her

Modifié par Joshd21, 07 janvier 2010 - 07:38 .

[TSamee]

Hmmm... Morrigan expressed doubt that Flemeth actually died once I beat her dragon ass, so I'm not quite sure. Flemeth IS a powerful mage/Old God soul thing/abomination, and she didn't seem particularly annoyed when I decided to take the grimoire and kill her. I think she was just playing with you in the dragon form.



Oh, and Joshd, having sex is sort of 50/50 after the grimoire. She refuses later, after you both talk about love (I'm told you can lose loads of approval and break the relationship in this one convo, but I came out with no losses), and she makes it very clear that she finds it to be a weakness. Later, if you ask, she refuses, and if you probe deeper you'll find that she (assuming it's not manipulation) hasn't really experienced love before, finds it all very alien and want it to stop, but can't. You can lose approval during this conversation as well.



I think that, honestly, if Flemeth wanted the Warden to succeed that badly (for the God child), and that she actually is Morrigan, that she might have wanted to use a little bit more power. Morrigan becomes a spider. The one time I used her forms, I died six times, consecutively. Flemeth becomes a DIRTY GREAT SCALY BASTARD OF A DRAGON. I rest my case

[CRGiles_]

Dauphin2 wrote...

asaiasai wrote...

2) No female to female option for romance with Morrigan.

What!?!

I guess that explains why I have had no success with this.   God now I have to make a freakin' male character just for this...

I mean if anyone was inclined to be a lesbian, it would be Morrigan. She absolutely hates men.

Hahaha...I just said that the other day.
I had to start all over from a female character to a male just to be with her.
Sucked to start all over again.

[MagiST]

It is for precisely all the reasons listed in this topic that I don't trust Morrigan. I orginally refused the dark ritual and sent her off. Then got my arse kicked in the arch demon fight because I didn't bring a rogue to man the turrents. Also had too much trouble dealing with mobs during the final battle.

So I just sucked it up and reloaded and did the ritual. I'm just so used to splitting the important spells and building my mage around Morrigan's. Maybe I'll build a pc mage, rouge, warrior, wynne team next.



Hopefully I'll get the option to kill Morrigan in DAO 2, and then raise the kid myself; right before I start dying from the taint and have to head into the deep roads. But I really wanted to die in the arch demon fight rather than later in the Maker forsaken deep roads to be scavenged by deep stalkers. There's more glory in the former senario.



But my advice to all is to not trust Morrigan, or women in general, such as Anora.

[InvaderErl]

Whatever she's doing it won't be something out and out evil, like all things Morrigan it'll be morally suspect but of some sort of pragmatic value I suspect. They're not going to PUNISH the player for taking an option offered to them by having them totally suffer for it.

[TopcatPlayer]

i think that Morrigan is Flemeth, but not at the same time. I think Flemeth is helping herself in the past, that Morrigan is not her daughter and is in fact her at a younger age.