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SirOccam wrote...

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I wish games like those Bioware makes had the opportunity to allow such character growth; slowly but surely, and therefore worming their way into your deepest affection. However, when I think about how Bioware introduces new characters for their games, it's almost always with a character hook, and a 'bang' ... they come out the door in ready for action, meant to come off as interesting and cool from the get-go. Case in point, remember the trailer reveal for ME2's Jack? Then the explosive scene in game? Most characters, once introduced, don't change their persona wildly by then end. Those sorts of changes would have to span across several games, but it seems Bioware is taking a different approach for DA than, say, the BG series.

And, just as an aside: I think the reason guys like us go for the ones with flaws and emotional baggage is because, let's face it, the perfectly pretty, perfectly happy, perfectly talented and pleasantly dispositioned etc, flawless girl... is really not that interesting.

...That, and we couldn't get her if we tried ;) Hah. Girls with problems create a sense of drama, and something that invokes many mens instinctual desires to "fix" things; also they often appear more attainable. Go figure.

Before this gets completely off topic though, I should mention: these types are just as interesting when created as character archetypes ;) Difference is, almost all women in games are overly perfect, appearance-wise. Unfortunately, people have come to expect it. And I can't say it bothers me, as long as they have personality.

I think you're pretty much right on the money, about all of that. I do have a little more hope for DA2, though, compared to DAO and other games, given the game's 10-year span. That could really open up a whole universe of possiblities in terms of character growth that most games just can't have for logistical reasons if not dramatic ones.


Actually, though this side conversation is getting rather long, I just have to say... I have thought about that exact same thing. Why would Bioware make DA2 span over 10 years, if not to increase the potential for arching plots that are impossible to most games? More like a book than a game plot. A sense of time would help players grow attached to their characters more as well. Think of the companion or love interest possibilities:

- an LI who you meet in one portion of the game, marry several years later in another portion of the game, and have children and/or a home with towards the end portion
- villains that increase your hate for them far beyond other games because they've threatened your family.
- numerous sidequests regarding them or other longterm friends, but which you are emotionally invested (read: more interested) in.
- Hawke is supposed to "rise to power" .. suppose this means directing a war involves getting your own castle, troops, etc.? Just how many possibilities are there with that?

These are just some of the obvious examples. If some amateur can brainstorm that in two minutes, just think what Bioware's talented team of writer's could come up with. There are possibilities here far beyond most other games.

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maybe or maybe not

since 8 or7 month left

they have time add dlc companion for dragon age 2

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elfdwarf wrote...

maybe or maybe not
since 8 or7 month left
they have time add dlc companion for dragon age 2


This is why its good to see if you might beable to give them some hints or ideas for characters who would really stand out in this universe for the players such as ourselves. We may not get it, but its worth a try. I would love for bioware to create another DLC character like shale, because it worked.

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After a lot of thought there is 1 companion that i wouldn't mind to meet again. Shale.
It might be interesting since her goal is kind of to get her real body back (at least when playing the good route in Origins). If Bioware would want to have some references from origins in DA2 Shale would be a easy solution to deliver that. She could tell Hawk vague details about the(our) adventure she lived through not to long ago.

Modifié par Teredan, 12 juillet 2010 - 06:42 .


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SirOccam wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Lisbeth Salander. A complete and blatant rip-off is fine, but if they insist on being all subtle and whatnot about it, that's okay too.


Salander made me think of "salamander" and made me realize how much it would be awesome to have a flying blue cat as a companion we could name "Happy"   :P

THIS is Lisbeth Salander.
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It's more than just the look though...her whole attitude and back story are just awesome.

Edit: me talk good


YES.

So nice to meet someone here who has read the books/seen the movies Posted Image

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who hunts for criminal ,spy ,illegal mage ,assassin


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Annie_Dear wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Lisbeth Salander. A complete and blatant rip-off is fine, but if they insist on being all subtle and whatnot about it, that's okay too.


Salander made me think of "salamander" and made me realize how much it would be awesome to have a flying blue cat as a companion we could name "Happy"   :P

THIS is Lisbeth Salander.
Posted Image

It's more than just the look though...her whole attitude and back story are just awesome.

Edit: me talk good


YES.

So nice to meet someone here who has read the books/seen the movies Posted Image

The books were great of course, but Noomi Rapace really owned that character. They're going to have a VERY hard time finding someone as good for the American remake in 2012. Gonna see The Girl who Played with Fire tomorrow probably; I can't wait. :D

Modifié par SirOccam, 12 juillet 2010 - 07:13 .


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SirOccam wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Lisbeth Salander. A complete and blatant rip-off is fine, but if they insist on being all subtle and whatnot about it, that's okay too.


Salander made me think of "salamander" and made me realize how much it would be awesome to have a flying blue cat as a companion we could name "Happy"   :P

THIS is Lisbeth Salander.
Posted Image

It's more than just the look though...her whole attitude and back story are just awesome.

Edit: me talk good


YES.

So nice to meet someone here who has read the books/seen the movies Posted Image

The books were great of course, but Noomi Rapace really owned that character. They're going to have a VERY hard time finding someone as good for the American remake in 2012. Gonna see The Girl who Played with Fire tomorrow probably; I can't wait. :D


"The Girl Who Played with Fire" was probably my favourit movie in the series. I'm sure you'll enjoy it Posted Image

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Annie_Dear wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

Lisbeth Salander. A complete and blatant rip-off is fine, but if they insist on being all subtle and whatnot about it, that's okay too.


Salander made me think of "salamander" and made me realize how much it would be awesome to have a flying blue cat as a companion we could name "Happy"   :P

THIS is Lisbeth Salander.
Posted Image

It's more than just the look though...her whole attitude and back story are just awesome.

Edit: me talk good


YES.

So nice to meet someone here who has read the books/seen the movies Posted Image

The books were great of course, but Noomi Rapace really owned that character. They're going to have a VERY hard time finding someone as good for the American remake in 2012. Gonna see The Girl who Played with Fire tomorrow probably; I can't wait. :D


"The Girl Who Played with Fire" was probably my favourit movie in the series. I'm sure you'll enjoy it Posted Image


That is nice but lets keep this on topic. Thank you!Posted Image

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camomandoom wrote...

A complete manifestation of Brock Lesnar as an Avvarri or norse equivalent Barbarian. His name shall be Magnus Samuelson

Wields a two-handed great axe with huge arms and a head full of battle-rage. He is a lover of battle, women, pillage and alcohol. He understands but does not respect his enemies. He is extremely confident to the annoyance of his comrades.

He joins Hawkes group much like zevran did. Losing in battle and being spared by Hawke. He views women as enjoyable pleasures (for both sides in his mind) so a romance with FemHawke is possible but he would see it as a fling. He could become enraptured with FemHawke later on.


Hmm to me this sounds just like Oghren. But tha' is the general view people have of viking's.

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How about a character like Isabella. She was sexy and her accent was cleaver. I think she would be one of the best companions in the game. She is a dueliest and she didn't die in the game. She has some serious personality traits already well made for a character. I would really like this to happen if Bioware would allow it. What  do you all think of her character as a companion. I think she would be someone worthy to walk buy Hawke's side.


Modifié par Tooneyman, 12 juillet 2010 - 06:29 .


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I want Manbearpig



or a lovely female elf don't care what class I just want one

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alaska the 1st wrote...

I want Manbearpig

or a lovely female elf don't care what class I just want one


Why? Detail Please!

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saphirekosmos wrote...

Hmm lets see here:

A former Chansid or Dalish who spent their early years learning the ways of the sword, only to find out they have magical abilities. For some reason they were brought into the circle, maybe their family/clan was slaughtered but they were found by templars or something. Even though they were taught the arcane arts they continued to try an learn the way of the sword, much to the chargin of the mages. Maybe they were able to find a kind templar or something to help train them. They could have the unique ability to use their sword like a staff, and also learn sword skills and talents.

Former Elven slave who either escaped or was set free from his/her owners. eventually had to learn how to live on the streets so they basically became a rouge. Is very distrustful at first but will eventually warm up more.

A mage or warrior who, for some odd reason, doesn't age. They have been around for a long time, since the first blight or earlier. They have many memories of many lives, but at the same time they have forgotten man many things. Kind of like the spirit in the elven ruin in DA:O but not as bad.

Maybe a former Antivan prostitute turned assassin. They could constantly flirt and tease your character, and you could respond in kinds or get embaressed or angry. Maybe offering their former "services" in order to mess with you.

A pyromaniac mage. He/she could get bonuses to their fire spells. Their solution to most problems being along the lines of " burn it or make it explode".

A former Ferelden Rebel turned Merc. They could recount old war stories and what not.

A fade spirit trapped in a appostate's body, sometime gaining control. It could be and evil or good spirit. The character would seem like they had multiple personalaties until you find out about the spirit. Maybe even have a good and evil spirit trapped in someone's body who was comotose. You could then influence which spirit has more control, kinda like in jade empire.

A sentient darkspawn like the messenger or architect, only somehow they don't spread the taint. They could a a traveling fighter who tries to help those in need.

A dwarven inventor that is always tinkering and making odd things that you could choose to use or dismiss as worthless.

I think I will stop for now since I need to eat. >__>


You should be a scenario writer for a video game, LOL. Great ideas.

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Tooneyman wrote...

Why? Detail Please!

Why? Detail Please!  :police:

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joriandrake wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

Why? Detail Please!

Why? Detail Please!  :police:


REad the beginning of the thread! That is why and its got plenty of detail on how to write the characters you would like to look at. A very good example is the one quote above your former post. Posted Image

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How about a youngish companion that Hawke can .. umm, take under her wing (sorry, I am really sorry that was unforgivable). A sort of apprentice type, who can gain skill/stat bonuses, unlock specialisations, change moral outlook based on how they are treated and what they are told by Hawke. I guess an extension of the 'hardening' thing in Origins, or being able to make jedi/sith of your team in KoToR2. I remember in Planescape Torment, dialogue unlocked a ton of bonuses for the various characters - and they could teach Nameless One things as well, as the game progressed and the companions became more proficient.



The apprentice would be the same general class as Hawke - but naive, alone, terrified, and they wouldn't appear in the game until Hawke has started to make a name for him/herself. Element of hero worship towards Hawke. Hawke could then act as mentor, either saving or destroying this person. Actually, not sure about this idea any more, but I'm tired and it's my only one, so there you go.x

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I want companions that are not all badass, tuff, mean SOBs. That was one thing I didnt like about Mass Effect 2.

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Johnny Shepard wrote...

I want companions that are not all badass, tuff, mean SOBs. That was one thing I didnt like about Mass Effect 2.


...but ME2 was ABOUT finding the most badass tough SOBs in the universe to take on a suicide mission to save the world.


At any rate, I do do love the above 'Apprentice' suggestion. Especially with the ten year span of the game. Someone who apprentices to you in mid-story could become a very capable character in their own right, depending on how you formed them of course. Just not sure if Bioware is up to this level of character development.

Not to slam the gang, the stuff they do with their companions is heads and tall hats above what anybody else does with NPCs. But usually, the development of NPC companions is still a very limited curve, a very binary relationship at worst. Either you're doing it right or not. And since there's no incentive to do anything wrong, you'll usually want to aim for the one best result you can get from a character.

Yes, it's a tried and true formuia, but boiling down the many ideas found in this thread, I really do think preferences would go towards less but more complex companion relationships.

Beyond trigger X happening and you having an influence level of Y with a companion and thus getting a new conversation option or cutscene, what I'd like to see more than anything else in a companion would be several branching but equally positive (depending on point of view, of course) outcomes to the relationship rather than just friendship (and a possible romance given intent and compatibility). Maybe even the ability to influence their world view both ways, tainting the innocent and getting the vile to seek redemption and thus unlocking even further options with these characters.

DA:O was maybe simply not the game for this as there's no time to **** around when you're on the clock racing an Arch Demon. But a game with a ten year span and ostensibly slightly smaller stakes could certainly dwell more on intricate NPC relationships.

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Comapnions that I want are



A sentient darkspawn like the messanger



A mhari like female character



A templar who executed a mage accused of being a blood mage but found out it was not true and had guilt over it all those years. Should be a mix between loghain and sten's characters



A mage that is a cross of Anders and Velanna



A dalish elf warrior who is nice to humans because they save their life.



I'll think of more.

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A dragon. You find this egg and as the story progresses, your dragon egg hatches and the dragon grows stage, by stage from a youngling, young, juvenile, adult to a...

High Dragon! The decicions you will make, if evil you will be an vicious dragon lord conquering at first the Free Marches (In DAO 3 you have a major quest of defeating your previous Hawke with another Hero). If DAO 2 ends good, you will be the Noble dragon protector of the continent, hiring others to raise dragons and help the Grey Wardens with dire troubles (DAO 3)



Oh! And just as the egg hatches you can customize different color aspects of the dragon, some of its appearances, like horns, eyes, teeth, scale pattern etc and adjust the size of some of them. And you could also name your Dragon. But Hawke could call it Dragon if referencing his dragon friend in conversations.

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I'm assuming there isn't time but here goes:



1. female elf warrior raised by humans. Try to get away from the stereotypical elven mage and it might be interesting for her to interact with other elves from the perspective of an elf. Also, she could have an interesting question og "just who am I?"



2. dwarven champion/paladin: basically the anti-Oghren (and I liked him after Awakenings). A dwarf born castleless but travels the world as a shining example of what any dwarf can be: strong, noble, brave, and a defender of righteous causes. He is a reformer who hopes his example will show that the caste system is a baseless one that robs each dwarf of freedom from casteless to king.



3. A runaway Templar who disappeared years ago to raise his illegit daughter when he discovered she was born able to use magic. Even today, he is torn between his duty and his love.



4. A tranquil mage who is starting to remember the ability to feel.... and she's very, very angry.

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Some more "evilish" members. It's hard to say anyone on your DA:O team was on the evil alignment side. I'm thinking something along the lines of a maleficar team mate that has no qualms about doing horribly evil things...and maybe sing about it.


Sorta a DA version of HK-47?

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