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[hyperion02]

This - although I think there are lots of people who should keep their hair on and have a little trust in the fact that BioWare *might* just know what their doing.  If you hate it after you've played it - all well and good, but to go into orbit at this stage is... silly.

*I'm* excited.  MOAR Dragon Age.  Win!

Im totally with you. I have high standards on DA2 becaus DA:O was amazing. However unlike a few who are moaning about total failure, I'm totally excited for for the epic sucess! I got a feeling that bioware will deliver.

[BattlerDunbine]

Since this thread is going to hell in a handbasket, I'll jump in and say re: the OP, "When the hell did D&D become DnD, anyway"? I keep seeing people referencing "old school" RPGs and "DnD". Oh, how it bothers me.



I must be getting old.

[_-Greywolf-_]

SirOccam wrote...

MFCell wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Sorry you feel that way. We appreciate your loyalty and understanding, as well as the fact that you stuck it out long enough to get more than a cursory view of the game before rendering your decision. Hopefully you'll give the game a try when it comes out-- if not, happy trails!

I base my greivances on the fact that Mass Effect was a boring, easy, uninspiring slog thru a tired and easily manipulatated dialogue and combat system.

If you think for a SECOND that I'm not basing my bashing of this game on real world experience, your wrong David.

I cannot stand to play ME for more than 2 hours at the time, while I could play DA:O for days on end.  All of the problems I have with DA2 are present in ME 1 and 2, and are being moved into DA2 like it is some kind of step forward. I can base every arguement against DA2 I make in cold, hard fact.

You guys have lost touch.

Thought you were leaving? I guess not, WELCOME BACK!

You're saying DA2 is bad because you thought ME was bad? Well then I have some great news for you. It turns out ME is a space-based RPG Shooter, while DA2 is a fantasy-based tactical RPG. And they have completely different teams working on them! Woot!

Seriously, though, your arguments are utterly illogical. It's like saying you hate pomegranates even though you've never had one, because you hate bananas. So people think you're insane because pomegranates are only nominally similar. Then you claim you're dealing in facts because you KNOW bananas, dammit. You're like an expert on bananas. Well no one cares about what you think about bananas, because you can't explain why a pomegranate is like one.

So we get it. You hate Mass Effect. That doesn't explain why having text in a circle instead of a list is going to mean the game sucks. Most of the things we DO know about DA2 are so vague (like "new visual style" and "new cinematic experience") that there's no way anyone can reasonably claim they have even the remotest grasp of how the game as a whole is going to feel. So that's why some of the more level-headed members of the community are urging you to wait a little bit and see what it's ACTUALLY like first.

I mean, if they did such a great job on DA:O, why can't you give them the benefit of the doubt? Surely they've proven they're good at making games? They got this. Chill.

I dont know if I speak for MFCell but I do share his concerns that Dragon Age 2 is being turned into Mass Effect not because of the combat (we have seen nothing of it so we cant comment on this) but because of what we have heard about the changes to the dialogue system, the voiced main character and the fact that the main character is not one of our choosing. While I must say that MFCell's reaction was a bit on the extreme side I do worry about the changes since they are the very things that I did not like about Mass Effect and now I see that they are being transfered to Dragon Age (I can give you many reasons why I do not like them but I think I have already covered this in other threads and do not wish to repeat myself). Now I know it is too early to judge the game and I will wait till I see more of the game untill I pass judgement but from what we have heard about the game so far you cant blame us for being more than a little bit concerned about the new game's direction.

[0LunarEclipse0]

David Gaider wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

The big Shakespearean ""My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" threads are the best.

To be or not to be
Whether 'tis nobler in the RPG to suffer
The slings and arrows of developer whims
Or to take arms against a wheel of dialogue
And, by opposing, play not.

David, why are you so awesome?

[JackFace]

You are aware that the only changes to the main character is that they call it Hawke instead of Warden, it's a human, and that it survived the Blight, right?

[Chibi Elemental]

David Gaider wrote...


To be or not to be
Whether 'tis nobler in the RPG to suffer
The slings and arrows of developer whims
Or to take arms against a wheel of dialogue
And, by opposing, play not.

Wants this on a shirt...

[Fishy]

EA drugged Bioware and now they're ASSUMING direct control of their project.

[JeanLuc761]

Suprez30 wrote...

EA drugged Bioware and now they're ASSUMING direct control of their project.

Please, please don't turn this gem into an EA conspiracy thread.  I am so sick of those.

[_-Greywolf-_]

JackFace wrote...

You are aware that the only changes to the main character is that they call it Hawke instead of Warden, it's a human, and that it survived the Blight, right?

What I am worried about is that Hawke will turn out to be just like Shepard, I remember reading an interview with Greg and Ray where they explained why they limit the personality options of a character like Shepard where they would give more freedom to a character the player can create, it was mostly about why Shepard would never be a gay character and why they would allow a character that the player creates to be gay but it did highlight some other areas of Shepards inflexable personality compared to the more flexable player created character. I wish I could find it because it does highlight a lot of my concerns with being forced to play this Hawke character.

[Fishy]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

EA drugged Bioware and now they're ASSUMING direct control of their project.

Please, please don't turn this gem into an EA conspiracy thread.  I am so sick of those.

Yeah i was just being funny and sarcastic ..I though it's was funny.I've been posting on the bioware forum for over 9 years.I'm used to this.

[Tarante11a]

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

JackFace wrote...

You are aware that the only changes to the main character is that they call it Hawke instead of Warden, it's a human, and that it survived the Blight, right?

What I am worried about is that Hawke will turn out to be just like Shepard, I remember reading an interview with Greg and Ray where they explained why they limit the personality options of a character like Shepard where they would give more freedom to a character the player can create, it was mostly about why Shepard would never be a gay character and why they would allow a character that the player creates to be gay but it did highlight some other areas of Shepards inflexable personality compared to the more flexable player created character. I wish I could find it because it does highlight a lot of my concerns with being forced to play this Hawke character.

But hang on a sec, you could be a gay Shepherd couldn't you?  As FemShip you could have a relationship with Liara.  Was there not a male version?  Apologies for the potential tangent.

Modifié par Tarante11a, 11 juillet 2010 - 04:43 .

[UndercoverDoctor]

Tarante11a wrote...

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

JackFace wrote...

You are aware that the only changes to the main character is that they call it Hawke instead of Warden, it's a human, and that it survived the Blight, right?

What I am worried about is that Hawke will turn out to be just like Shepard, I remember reading an interview with Greg and Ray where they explained why they limit the personality options of a character like Shepard where they would give more freedom to a character the player can create, it was mostly about why Shepard would never be a gay character and why they would allow a character that the player creates to be gay but it did highlight some other areas of Shepards inflexable personality compared to the more flexable player created character. I wish I could find it because it does highlight a lot of my concerns with being forced to play this Hawke character.

But hang on a sec, you could be a gay Shepherd couldn't you?  As FemShip you could have a relationship with Liara.  Was there not a male version?

There are no male romances.

[Onyx Jaguar]

David Gaider wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Mr. Gaider, now that you're here, would you mind telling us if the Dark Ritual ending of Origins has indeed been canonized? 'Tis a matter a great many users would appreciate being cleared up.

That sounds like something you'd need to ask the Vatican.

This is code for something I can just feel it

[David Gaider]

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...
What I am worried about is that Hawke will turn out to be just like Shepard, I remember reading an interview with Greg and Ray where they explained why they limit the personality options of a character like Shepard where they would give more freedom to a character the player can create

In our opinion, it might be okay for Commander Shepherd to be stoic and gruff as a rule-- he's a soldier, after all-- but that's not going to fly for Dragon Age. We don't intend to lock you into a single personality.

As to our solution for doing that-- well, we'll have to discuss that later on. But we do have one, and it's not something you see in Mass Effect. Dragon Age is a different game, despite the comparisons some people seem pretty quick to make based on a few common features.

[LPPrince]

David Gaider wrote...

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...
What I am worried about is that Hawke will turn out to be just like Shepard, I remember reading an interview with Greg and Ray where they explained why they limit the personality options of a character like Shepard where they would give more freedom to a character the player can create

In our opinion, it might be okay for Commander Shepherd to be stoic and gruff as a rule-- he's a soldier, after all-- but that's not going to fly for Dragon Age. We don't intend to lock you into a single personality.

As to our solution for doing that-- well, we'll have to discuss that later on. But we do have one, and it's not something you see in Mass Effect. Dragon Age is a different game, despite the comparisons some people seem pretty quick to make based on a few common features.

That should ease some people's pains.

[Fishy]

David Gaider wrote...

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...
What I am worried about is that Hawke will turn out to be just like Shepard, I remember reading an interview with Greg and Ray where they explained why they limit the personality options of a character like Shepard where they would give more freedom to a character the player can create

In our opinion, it might be okay for Commander Shepherd to be stoic and gruff as a rule-- he's a soldier, after all-- but that's not going to fly for Dragon Age. We don't intend to lock you into a single personality.

As to our solution for doing that-- well, we'll have to discuss that later on. But we do have one, and it's not something you see in Mass Effect. Dragon Age is a different game, despite the comparisons some people seem pretty quick to make based on a few common features.

It's funny to see you posting more than me.I though writer were anti-social .. Secluded somewhere in their basement writing all day and drinking tons of coffee with sketch everywhere.

damn stereotype.

[PoisonTheCity]

I agree with OP. DA2 is the vanguard of our destruction. Bioware eats souls, kicks puppies and gives their characters surnames, the cretins! 'Tis a personal insult. I'ma ragequit too (but I'll lurk for a while to see if there are any replies I have a comeback for), and go tell all my friends that supporting DA2, or indeed even waiting for facts to be more fleshed out, makes you sterile.

[abadomen]

David Gaider wrote...

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...
What I am worried about is that Hawke will turn out to be just like Shepard, I remember reading an interview with Greg and Ray where they explained why they limit the personality options of a character like Shepard where they would give more freedom to a character the player can create

In our opinion, it might be okay for Commander Shepherd to be stoic and gruff as a rule-- he's a soldier, after all-- but that's not going to fly for Dragon Age. We don't intend to lock you into a single personality.

As to our solution for doing that-- well, we'll have to discuss that later on. But we do have one, and it's not something you see in Mass Effect. Dragon Age is a different game, despite the comparisons some people seem pretty quick to make based on a few common features.

Sounds interesting...

[epoch_]

MFCell wrote...

After all the resounding praise I always gave DA:O, in every case, I assumed you would do right by me because DA:O was ALREADY a throw-back game, which relied on tried and true gameplay mechanics, rather than flashy battles.

Imagine my surprise to find out that DA2 is in fact, Dragon Effect, and doesn't even pick up where the events of DA:O left off, it actually starts in the midst them.  What a slap in the face.  It makse no sense.  It's like you guys are trying to make my decisions unimportant, setting it up so the later decisions I made could not POSSIBLY impact the games beginning.  DA:O was such a run away hit with RPG fans, why would you guys tweak it like this?

Really, REALLY seems like this is a bad dream. I'm not even kidding. If I had a nightmare about the DA sequel, today would be it.

I beleive this can easily be considered the worst thing to happen in Dragon Age history, including the Blight.

I'm leaving the forums now, and I doubt I'll ever come back.  All I wanted was to continue my story.  All I got was Shepard with a new name and a sword.

In fact, Bioware.  I'm gonna start dissing you guys as sellouts to my friends when they ask me about DA2.  I'll tell them "Nah it wont be any good." "Why?" they will ask, and I will reply "Did you enjoy Mass Effect?" "No, not nearly as much as DA:O"... "Well, they are making it much more like ME than DA:O this time around."  At this point, my DnD game hungry friends will surely frown, a moment of sadness passing as they greive for the game that could have been, but will not be.

Yes Bioware, I'm going to talk BADLY about you for this, by drawing comparisons between ME and DA to gamers who realize ME is a Halo rehash with HP.  Consider any personal reviews of DA2 I do to be completely negative. And beleive me, I will get asked eventually, especially as release draws near.  It should be something a little new to you guys, word of mouth attempts to disparage your games release.  Your fans are always so cuddley and happy with you.  It's about time you guys got the end of the stick the rest of the industry gets from alienated fans.  The ****ty one.

Hell hath no fury like a nerd's rage.

[RPGmom28]

David Gaider wrote...

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...
What I am worried about is that Hawke will turn out to be just like Shepard, I remember reading an interview with Greg and Ray where they explained why they limit the personality options of a character like Shepard where they would give more freedom to a character the player can create

In our opinion, it might be okay for Commander Shepherd to be stoic and gruff as a rule-- he's a soldier, after all-- but that's not going to fly for Dragon Age. We don't intend to lock you into a single personality.

As to our solution for doing that-- well, we'll have to discuss that later on. But we do have one, and it's not something you see in Mass Effect. Dragon Age is a different game, despite the comparisons some people seem pretty quick to make based on a few common features.

I think that some of us are a little nervous because we enjoyed being able to create a background for our characters in DA:O that had vast variation, and we want to make sure that our replay value is satisfying within the parameters of a single character origin.  But quite honestly, I'm a Mass Effect groupie.  I have two t-shirts and a hoodie, own both soundtracks, and replay both games until my innocent husband can quote every scene of both ME1 and 2 from memory.  And even Mass Effect gave Shepard choices of origin and reputation at the start. So I'm willing to give Hawke the time of day and see if I like her/him.   It's just a matter of taking a deep breath and waiting to see what happens.

[Deviija]

Tarante11a wrote...

But hang on a sec, you could be a gay Shepherd couldn't you?  As FemShip you could have a relationship with Liara.  Was there not a male version?  Apologies for the potential tangent.

Nope.  There is no male version.  Because apparently by Casey Hudson's definition asari are not females and thus FemShep/Liara or FemShep/Any Asari is not a lesbian relationship.  Even though asari are monogendered... and that gender is feminine.  Also disregard the Kelly/FemShep relationship as well.  Shepard is a 'contained character,' after all, and therefore is not designed to be gay -- unless you're female, and then you can have all kinds of non-female non-lesbian action and human lady datetime and cuddles.  Because it totally doesn't count.  ;P

[McNoguff]

David Gaider wrote...


To be or not to be
Whether 'tis nobler in the RPG to suffer
The slings and arrows of developer whims
Or to take arms against a wheel of dialogue
And, by opposing, play not.

Since the OP isn't going to be here to respond in kind, I thought I'd venture a guess as to what he might say:

I will tell you why; so shall my anticipation prevented be and so too my assumed lost Warden King
and Anora Queene: Post no flame war, I have of late, though wherefore
I know not, lost all my mirth, forgoing custom'ry pleasure
in RPGs. It goes so horridly with my disposition
that this goodly Ferelden, seems to me a sterile
Promontory; this most excellent Canopy the Fade, look you, this brave taupe-shaded, black city'd roof fretted with golden fire: Why, it appears no other thing
to me than a licence for petulance and constipated thought.
What a piece of work am I! How reduced in
Reason? How infinite in incredulity? In form and moving how depressed and unamiable? In action, how like a child?
In apprehension, how like a brat? The beauty of the game world, dwarven Paragons and animals: To me, What is this quintessence of Dustown? Dragon age delights
Not me, no. Nor woman either
For none will sleep with me.

Modifié par McNoguff, 11 juillet 2010 - 05:44 .

[ScorpSt]

Deviija wrote...

Tarante11a wrote...

But hang on a sec, you could be a gay Shepherd couldn't you?  As FemShip you could have a relationship with Liara.  Was there not a male version?  Apologies for the potential tangent.

Nope.  There is no male version.  Because apparently by Casey Hudson's definition asari are not females and thus FemShep/Liara or FemShep/Any Asari is not a lesbian relationship.  Even though asari are monogendered... and that gender is feminine.  Also disregard the Kelly/FemShep relationship as well.  Shepard is a 'contained character,' after all, and therefore is not designed to be gay -- unless you're female, and then you can have all kinds of non-female non-lesbian action and human lady datetime and cuddles.  Because it totally doesn't count.  ;P

Of course it doesn't count. If two men kiss eachother, then it's eww, but if two women kiss eachother, then it's hot. As long as the girls are hot anyway. And having all the physical and social traits of a woman doesn't make you a woman unless there are men to define you as such, because a woman without a man is nothing...

...in Bizzaro world anyway.

[Dudzilla]

McNoguff wrote...

David Gaider wrote...


To be or not to be
Whether 'tis nobler in the RPG to suffer
The slings and arrows of developer whims
Or to take arms against a wheel of dialogue
And, by opposing, play not.

Since the OP isn't going to be here to respond in kind, I thought I'd venture a guess as to what he might say:

I will tell you why; so shall my anticipation prevented be and so too my assumed lost Warden King
and Anora Queene: Post no flame war, I have of late, though wherefore
I know not, lost all my mirth, forgoing custom'ry pleasure
in RPGs. It goes so horridly with my disposition
that this goodly Ferelden, seems to me a sterile
Promontory; this most excellent Canopy the Fade, look you, this brave taupe-shaded, black city'd roof fretted with golden fire: Why, it appears no other thing
to me than a licence for petulance and constipated thought.
What a piece of work am I! How reduced in
Reason? How infinite in incredulity? In form and moving how depressed and unamiable? In action, how like a child?
In apprehension, how like a brat? The beauty of the game world, dwarven Paragons and animals: To me, What is this quintessence of Dustown? Dragon age delights
Not me, no. Nor woman either
For none will sleep with me.

THIS = WIN