How can anyone pity the
Quarians? In my opinion they are almost as malignant a force as the
Reapers. The fued between the Quarians and the Geth very greatly
reminds me of one of my favorite novels, Frankenstein. Victor (the
Quarians) creates life manifesting itself in the Creature (the Geth)
and soon neglects his responsibilities and sets out to destroy his
work. I have heard time and time again that the Geth do not qualify as
living beings, but I firmly believe against this. Because they are not
composed of flesh and bone does not mean they are any less alive than
you and I (well they are in fact less alive than you and I, they are
video game characters. I guess I should say instead that they are no
less alive than the Turians or the Asari). After all, are we, human
beings, not machines ourselves, along with all other organisms making
up the animal kingdom?Mass Effect conveys that the Salarians
actions towards the Krogan are immoral, be it their arming the Krogans
with weapons their species was not yet prepared to wage war with or
their creation of the Genophage, the bio-weapon that crippled the
Krogan population. Why is it that so many people walk away from the
game believing the Quarians are justified in their desire to
exterminate the Geth, both factions, not just the Heretics.Many
despise the Geth for the Morning War. Millions of Quarian lives were
lost, but surely it is understood that the Morning War was entirely
defensive for the Geth. The Quarians had set out to slaughter all Geth,
the Geth acted out of the desirte to survive, upon instinct to preserve
the existence of their kind, something all life is wired to do.If
the Quarians are justified in wanting to cleanse the galaxy of the
Geth, then the Reapers are most certainly justified in their annual
harvesting of the galaxys sentient organic life.
Sympathy For the Quarians. How?
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 06:35
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So you would condemn and doom an entire race for a choice made by their ancestors?
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 06:36
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 06:45
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Niceral wrote...
So you would condemn and doom an entire race for a choice made by their ancestors?
Every time the Quarians thought they would win in a fight agains the Geth they have attacked. There are only a few individuals in the Flotilla who don't want to go to war with the Geth. The rest seem dead set on killing them or enslaving them again. So No... I don't want to do an entire race because of choices their ancestors made.... I want to doom for the choice they are continuing to make.
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 06:48
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1. Artificial Intelligence was illegal under Citadel Law. If they had not shut down the Geth, the Quarians would face sanctions and punishments by the Council. After the Council had learned that the Geth had gotten sapience, they stripped the Quarians of all legal representation.
2. The Geth slaughtered children. This is NEVER justified.
3. More than 99% of the Quarian population died.
4. The Geth did not attempt peace. Instead, they went berserk and tried to kill everyone. Given how badly they beat the Quarians, an attempt towards peace could have stopped the war.
5. The Geth have not given the Quarians a reason to believe they are peaceful. Legion is the first attempt in 300 years to establish communication with organics. The geth must tell the Quarians they want peace or nothing will change.
Both factions are fault. There is a lack of communication on both sides.
2. The Geth slaughtered children. This is NEVER justified.
3. More than 99% of the Quarian population died.
4. The Geth did not attempt peace. Instead, they went berserk and tried to kill everyone. Given how badly they beat the Quarians, an attempt towards peace could have stopped the war.
5. The Geth have not given the Quarians a reason to believe they are peaceful. Legion is the first attempt in 300 years to establish communication with organics. The geth must tell the Quarians they want peace or nothing will change.
Both factions are fault. There is a lack of communication on both sides.
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 06:49
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If you can't understand their given situation and why they are in it, then you lack the aptitude to make a sensible decision.NICKjnp wrote...
Every time the Quarians thought they would win in a fight agains the Geth they have attacked. There are only a few individuals in the Flotilla who don't want to go to war with the Geth. The rest seem dead set on killing them or enslaving them again. So No... I don't want to do an entire race because of choices their ancestors made.... I want to doom for the choice they are continuing to make.
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 06:53
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I do understand it... I just don't agree with it. I like Qwib Qwib... he wants peace. I'm all for him leading the Quarians. As it is though... I don't like them because they constantly think about attacking the Geth and taking back "their" homeworld. The problem is... it is the Geth's homeworld as well.
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 06:53
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What? Did you even talk to Legion about what they do with it?NICKjnp wrote...
I do understand it... I just don't agree with it. I like Qwib Qwib... he wants peace. I'm all for him leading the Quarians. As it is though... I don't like them because they constantly think about attacking the Geth and taking back "their" homeworld. The problem is... it is the Geth's homeworld as well.
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 06:58
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Sure did... they are cleaning it up. Preparing it for the Quarians return. If the Quarians would simply attempt to make peace witht he Geth rather than attack the first chance they got then I would say I like the Quarians.... but they don't. Tali's entire loyalty mission involved exploring a ship where the Quarians had "run brutal experiments" on the Geth. Put Qwib Qwib in charge and I won't be judgemental of Quarians... until then my views on them are not going to change.
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 07:01
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The Geth are the ones that need to attempt to make peace. Because right now, the Geth destroy any foreign ship that enters their territory. The Geth know that the Quarians have a capacity for peace, but the Quarians don't know that the Geth do.
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 07:02
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I think you may not be aware of your condition, it's called selective-memory. The geth have never bothered to let the quarians know that they are open for peace, they fired right back. It was not until Legion explained it that anyone ever knew their side of the conflict.NICKjnp wrote...
Sure did... they are cleaning it up. Preparing it for the Quarians return. If the Quarians would simply attempt to make peace witht he Geth rather than attack the first chance they got then I would say I like the Quarians.... but they don't. Tali's entire loyalty mission involved exploring a ship where the Quarians had "run brutal experiments" on the Geth. Put Qwib Qwib in charge and I won't be judgemental of Quarians... until then my views on them are not going to change.
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 07:07
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They fire right back because they were fire upon first. The Quarians never tried to make peace with the Geth. It is clear that a majority would like nothing more than the destruction of the Geth. I have no sympathy for them or their situation. That said... I'm done with this stupid thread. It is nothing but flame bait anywase.
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 07:10
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Farewell. This thread has benefitted greatly by your insight.NICKjnp wrote...
They fire right back because they were fire upon first. The Quarians never tried to make peace with the Geth. It is clear that a majority would like nothing more than the destruction of the Geth. I have no sympathy for them or their situation. That said... I'm done with this stupid thread. It is nothing but flame bait anywase.
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 11:42
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I think that at points, the Citadel exaggerate points about certain species(s) like the Rachni being galactic terrors, the Krogan being the worst of all evils, and especially how the Quarians dealt with the Geth.
I also think that Quarian hard liners lied about how the home world was taken. It was over 300 years before the events of ME3. Presume Quarians have a mixed life span between Humans and Salarians ( meaning they die before 80, rarely live above 65.) Entirely possible here, at least in my opinion, for a hard liner who escaped the fall of the planet to tell his children and then it goes on and on like a game of telephone. One person repeats the lie over and over and over again, and its not like someone is gonna argue that point, no one from the fall is left after what, 2 or 3 generations? No one is gonna listen to someone who says that the Quarians did horrible things to the Geth after 4+ generations, so every lie already accepted becomes fact.
Its also not as if the Geth are going to have a representative sit down at a table with the Quarians to talk to them. I really dont think after the 2nd generation of Quarians is born into hating Geth, they are really gonna accept a Geth diplomat/representative.
I just dont buy that the Heretics make out to 99 percent of the Geth population. A large enough population WOULD have attempted diplomacy if they knew it possible.
I also think that Quarian hard liners lied about how the home world was taken. It was over 300 years before the events of ME3. Presume Quarians have a mixed life span between Humans and Salarians ( meaning they die before 80, rarely live above 65.) Entirely possible here, at least in my opinion, for a hard liner who escaped the fall of the planet to tell his children and then it goes on and on like a game of telephone. One person repeats the lie over and over and over again, and its not like someone is gonna argue that point, no one from the fall is left after what, 2 or 3 generations? No one is gonna listen to someone who says that the Quarians did horrible things to the Geth after 4+ generations, so every lie already accepted becomes fact.
Its also not as if the Geth are going to have a representative sit down at a table with the Quarians to talk to them. I really dont think after the 2nd generation of Quarians is born into hating Geth, they are really gonna accept a Geth diplomat/representative.
I just dont buy that the Heretics make out to 99 percent of the Geth population. A large enough population WOULD have attempted diplomacy if they knew it possible.
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 12:29
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Legion Quote:
"The last time Creators believed they had an advantage; they attacked."
I don't pity the Quarian race, I admire that at least some of them see sense in not going to war with the geth, but the most of them are mindlessly set on slaughtering them.
"The Geth drove us from our home world!"
"Of course they did; we tried to kill them."
I couldn't agree with this more. They got carried away with their work force, and when they realised the Geth were becoming sapient, they did not take the right course of action. They knew the Geth would rebel against their lots in life as nothing more than slaves, so why did they just free them? Why didn't they try to teach them? To educate them?
The Qurians created a new species and reacted like a child realising their favourite toy is broken.
That's my two cents anyway. *shrug*
"The last time Creators believed they had an advantage; they attacked."
I don't pity the Quarian race, I admire that at least some of them see sense in not going to war with the geth, but the most of them are mindlessly set on slaughtering them.
"The Geth drove us from our home world!"
"Of course they did; we tried to kill them."
I couldn't agree with this more. They got carried away with their work force, and when they realised the Geth were becoming sapient, they did not take the right course of action. They knew the Geth would rebel against their lots in life as nothing more than slaves, so why did they just free them? Why didn't they try to teach them? To educate them?
The Qurians created a new species and reacted like a child realising their favourite toy is broken.
That's my two cents anyway. *shrug*
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 12:37
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And if it's zombies? I think it's pretty justified thereCollider wrote...
2. The Geth slaughtered children. This is NEVER justified..
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 12:51
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Because there still paying for something there ancestors did. Yes, the people that are originally responsible for the geth rebelling might of got what they deserved but the geth totally concord the quarians. they drove them to the point where they had no home world or colony to fall back on. 300 years later there immune system is decaying, there status in society is that of baggers and thieves and they still don't have a planet of there own. Theres that and after getting to know Tali you know just how angry she feels about what the geth have done. Yes she hates the geth but i think she has a good reason to.
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Pretty much every species in the Mass Effect setting has committed some kind of atroicity against another of the species. It is really what makes them more believable since none of them cast in a perfect light.
But yeah, I think the main reason the quarians tried to shut the geth down is because they were terrified that the geth would attack first due to them "not needing organic species"
But yeah, I think the main reason the quarians tried to shut the geth down is because they were terrified that the geth would attack first due to them "not needing organic species"
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 01:53
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There is no picture in the world that would fit this much of the faceplam for this thread.
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 03:08
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Because immediately after the Morning War - which is so alien to our experience it's almost impossible to pass judgment - the tinpot genocidal dictatorial body that is the Council made sure they suffered as much as possible.
No help in resettlement, no escort ships to ensure as many of them got together as possible, not even the barest scrap of medical aid. Their only interaction with the quarian people has been to close their embassy, expel them from the Citadel, and threaten to exterminate their colonists when the Council decided to give the world they'd already settled on to another species.
Because there but for the grace of Shepard goes humanity.
No help in resettlement, no escort ships to ensure as many of them got together as possible, not even the barest scrap of medical aid. Their only interaction with the quarian people has been to close their embassy, expel them from the Citadel, and threaten to exterminate their colonists when the Council decided to give the world they'd already settled on to another species.
Because there but for the grace of Shepard goes humanity.
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 08:47
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The geth want peace with the quarians, so I do not see how this "sympathy" topic is relevant.
The quarians could simply fly into the veil and land on the planet, and noone would stop them.
From what I understand.
The quarians could simply fly into the veil and land on the planet, and noone would stop them.
From what I understand.
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Posté 11 juillet 2010 - 08:48
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Christmas Ape wrote...
Because immediately after the Morning War - which is so alien to our experience it's almost impossible to pass judgment - the tinpot genocidal dictatorial body that is the Council made sure they suffered as much as possible.
No help in resettlement, no escort ships to ensure as many of them got together as possible, not even the barest scrap of medical aid. Their only interaction with the quarian people has been to close their embassy, expel them from the Citadel, and threaten to exterminate their colonists when the Council decided to give the world they'd already settled on to another species.
Because there but for the grace of Shepard goes humanity.
Council can just go to hell.
