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[Ulrik the Slayer]

Dog is a friggin b*tch too(that was teh joke) if you make him learn Overwhelm. Its not as awesome when it is used against you, no seree-bob.

[MatronAdena]

When I run through, I tend to take over Morrigan and have her run out, and have the clones semi grouped still and use cone of cold, then death hex on the most dangerous. As soon as that's done I hop back to the PC and use my heaviest hits on said strongest clone " I get alot of shattering " if I cant wipe them out in that time, Morri usually can cast cone again, and then that tends to be the end of it.

[andysdead]

i never had any trouble with this, even on nightmare.

[soteria]

It really depends on your group makeup and what spells you have. My first time I had rogue PC, Morrigan, Alistair, and Dog, and I just got destroyed (I think I was out of poultices or something). The evil versions of my party had spells I couldn't have even gotten yet... Evil Dog had overwhelm, for example. I went there pretty much right after Redcliffe, so I was a pretty low level. My second run at a higher level was really easy.

If you just find you can't handle all four of them, I found I could pull just two of them by having my whole party hold in the previous room, and running just barely into the room with the evil party, and running back out. With a couple tries I was able to pull them two at a time.

Modifié par soteria, 08 décembre 2009 - 11:08 .

[uuufffttaa]

Thanks everybody so much for the comments. Sorry about the language. I did read just about everything I could get my hand on but it didn't help. Maybe I just didn't understand. It's been an interesting game to this point and it is my very first RPG.

[Vajarra]

Like the person above said, you know who is most dangerous in your party. In my case, it's me

[Mikka-chan]

Last time I did this, it was so quick it was almost funny. Player cast Mana Clash, down went her and Morg's clones. Quick Cold of Cone at Sten and Ali-clone, then shattered Alistair's with Stonefist in fear that the clone might have his Templer 'magic NO :E' abilities. While I did this, real-Morg, Ali and Sten managed to drop Sten quick. Similar results with a different party that substituted Ali for Zev.

First time, with Ali, Morg, Oghran, and archer rogue PC was slightly harder. PC-clone apparently had picked up Scattershot, too- that and an arrow of slaying (I believe) took out Morg immediately. Thankfully, Ali managed to shut down Morg's clone, I had Oghran take down the PC-clone, and then sort of kited a bit with the PC and the melee-clones. Cheap, but on higher difficulties (although that may have been Hard rather then Nightmare- I can't remember) I sometimes do end up relying on cheap.

[Mnemnosyne]

Chillwill wrote...

Well mage heavy fights will always be difficult, especially if you don't have reliable cc spells.
What did annoy me about that fight was that your doppelgangers don't use your spells abilities. The only thing they have in common with you is class and name.

Can't really give any particular advice other then lock down and kill mages quick. How you do that depends on your spells.

Yeah, I would have designed this fight quite differently.  The dopplegangers would have copied the stats and equipment of the characters at the moment they trigger the cutscene with the character from your past, and they would have copied the talent loadout and Tactics screens from all the characters as well, so you're fighting identical copies of your party that use the same tactics you have assigned.

[Kinaori]

Yeah, first priority is to lock down the healer if there is one. Stuns, Cleanse Area, Holy Smite, Sleep, whatever you have for CC ("crowd control"). Followed by any other mages if there is one. (If you have Morrigan on heavy CC, you may want to focus fire her first. She might get the jump on CC'ing you if you don't.)



If you're not pausing to micromanage, you might consider setting your first tactic for your party members to assisting *you* with whatever your target is.

[uuufffttaa]

Well I tried, rogue, ali, sten mor. Can't get past this part. Can't fix my cd that I bought and paid for to cheat, ****ing waste of time.

[nuculerman]

Koyasha wrote...

Chillwill wrote...

Well mage heavy fights will always be difficult, especially if you don't have reliable cc spells.
What did annoy me about that fight was that your doppelgangers don't use your spells abilities. The only thing they have in common with you is class and name.

Can't really give any particular advice other then lock down and kill mages quick. How you do that depends on your spells.

Yeah, I would have designed this fight quite differently.  The dopplegangers would have copied the stats and equipment of the characters at the moment they trigger the cutscene with the character from your past, and they would have copied the talent loadout and Tactics screens from all the characters as well, so you're fighting identical copies of your party that use the same tactics you have assigned.

The only problem is most of us on PC aren't using tactics so the fight would be a complete joke if that happened.  

But I do agree that they should at least have the same spells as us.  Even mana clash.  I mean, it got a little confusing when Morrigan was casting spell ward on herself and hitting my hero with stone fist when my own Morrigan has neither of those spells.  In any event, on nightmare this fight took me two tries.  The first try was a complete wipe.  The second try I realized that if I made them come to me it might be easier.  And I was right.  The second try was also a complete wipe.  For them.

But it's hard to help the OP unless he gives us the spells and talents each of his party members have.  Because personally the way I won this fight was by force fielding Morrigan, drawing everyone else back to the door, and using CoC and whiirlwind and mighty blow to instantly kill my PC and Sten.  Then we all gained up on Allistair and he was dead before FF was up on Morrigan.  Then we all gained up on Morrigan in melee and a death hex and you can imagine how long the poor girl lasted.  She got in a mind blast and one auto attack before she was dead.

Modifié par nuculerman, 09 décembre 2009 - 12:44 .

[nuculerman]

uuufffttaa wrote...

Well I tried, rogue, ali, sten mor. Can't get past this part. Can't fix my cd that I bought and paid for to cheat, ****ing waste of time.

Again, what spells does Morrigan have?  What talents does your rogue have? Is Sten spec'ed as a 2Her and is Allistair spec'd as a shield/sword tank?  We can't help you if you're not even willing to give us specifics.  There's not a magical "I win" button that's universal to every party, unless that party has a mage and tank with taunt/force field and CoC.

[uuufffttaa]

Kewl, Morrigan has Winter's Grasp, Drain Life, disorient, Vulnerability Hex, Spider Shape, Horror, Mind Blast, Lightning, Frost Weapons, Herbalism, Bear Shape, Flying Swarm, Curse of Mortality, Affliction Hex. Alistar has Shield Pummel, Cleanse Area, Threaten, Precise Striking, Pommel Strike, Sunder Arms, Indomitable, Mighty Blow, Powerful Swings, Sunder Armor, Holy Smite. Sten has Two handed sweep, Perfect Striking, Sunder Arms, Powerful Swings, Threaten, Taunt, Critical Strike, Disengage, and Sunder Armor. PC only has Momentum, Riposte, Feign Death, Poison, Herbalism, Traps, and Stealth. Exactly what do you mean a 2Her and shield/sword tank?

[uuufffttaa]

Cause I kept the guys back and let Morrigan run in and then run back out. It seems like no matter what I do I can only kill one of them.

[uuufffttaa]

I think I have tried every ****ing option available to my God Damned ass. I've of a mind to find out where the **** Bioware is headquartered and go and kick every one of them in the ass many many many times.

[tranj84cl]

Well, you have Alistair and Sten specced to 2-handed, and you are a Dual wielder. Morrigan appears to be damage-spec as well. So, unless you plan on out-microing the computer, you're going to lose.



The problem is you all are designed to deal damage. The computer is going to be a bit more efficient than you at doing that alone. You have no crowd control either. Your best bet is to lay traps at the entrance and lure 1 or 2 of them out so that you can deal with them on your own time. I'd actually recommend taking out the 2 handers first.

[uuufffttaa]

Thanks for the advice. First time playing a RPG. I can change Ali to shield/sword. What is meant by tank? Don't understand that one. How should Morrigan be? Should I have Wynne or both?

[uuufffttaa]

I bet I have got my ass kicked 200 ****ing times and I'm so god damned tired of this ****ing game.

[uuufffttaa]

I cannot get 1 or 2 to come out at one time. It's always all or nothing. I can't figure out how to lay traps or to use my poison.

[tranj84cl]

Tank is a term that describes a character designed to absorb damage. Quite often, he will lack in offense, but that's not what he's built for. Simply switching gear isn't enough, if you don't have the skill points in the correct areas. You may have to keep Alistair with his weapons as he may be more effective since you have all those skills.



To set traps, you have to have a character with points in trap making. For poison, you need a skill point in poison. If you don't have either, an option is to leave and level up some more and come back later.



An option that I've used for hard fights is to find whoever the enemy always zeroes in on. Then use that character and run around in circles, while everyone else switches to bows. Then just have your bows focus on the enemy one at a time. You may have to turn off tactics or change them to Ranged for that to work.



One last option is to just quit playing the game for a day or so and come back. A fresh mind always helps.

[uuufffttaa]

I'm not sure what you mean by a skill point but I have the first two of the four parts about making traps. I make the trap and drag it down to the command bar. When I try to use it, it just seems to disappear. I don't lose it as it shows back up in inventory. I just don't know what to do to actually lay the trap. I have the first 2 parts of 4 for poison also. I make the poison, drag it but have no idea how to use it.

[tranj84cl]

Go to your inventory, right click the item and use it.

[uuufffttaa]

Oh, I've been butting my head against this wall for exactly one week now. I've tried to go back and go elsewhere like the Dalish camp. Unfortunately after having completed the Circle of Magi, I understood that this was the next area to go.

[uuufffttaa]

Thanks for all the great input, I put out 2 claw traps, one grease trap, poison on the weapons and I did not get any further than I did before. ****

[Neoskeptic]

Come back later when you've adjusted your skills or set your tactics for healing poultices to self hp=50%. And... go after the morrigan clone first.