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[Games4ever]

Saibh wrote...

Games4ever wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Braag wrote...

- Fox News controversy was total BS. They said ME has Full frontal nudity which it clearly has not. Then again it's fox news and it's their job to come up with bs.

- The DA:O love scenes were all ready toned down compared to ME 1. You see worse stuff in PG-13 movies.

- OP sounds kinda insecure.

Grand Theft Auto: Lost And Dammed had fullfrontal nuditity, you see a characters dingdong with pubic hair.
Pretty much no fuss made. Besides, everyone likes hot milf aliens with massive cleavage, it helps sell games.

Rockstar is not afraid to show adults the most natural in this world,it's one of the reasons so many buy and love their games.

You know, you're awfully concerned with seeing pixel and polygon nudity. The game absolutely doesn't need it; it makes a lot of people uncomfortable, it almost always brings the game down a few notches in "maturity" (not the fake kind), and it nets that abhorrent AO rating.

I would simply prefer to see better done romance scenes, if they're done at all. In cases like Isabela or Cammen and Gheyna, I don't think we need to see the scene in question. For roleplaying purposes, nothing is gained by seeing it. In a romance, seeing the romance scene is a payoff. No full-frontal needed.

If it's there, it better be done right.

I just don't understand why polygon nudity makes a lot of people uncomfortable? we are talking of people over 17 right? and I'm not talking about pornographic stuff,just two naked people that makes love without you need to see more than their naked body's.

[Inverness Moon]

I also thought ME2's scenes were awful, they just weren't nearly as artistic as those in ME1.



They didn't even show what Garrus looked like without a shirt.

[Saibh]

Inverness Moon wrote...

I also thought ME2's scenes were awful, they just weren't nearly as artistic as those in ME1.

They didn't even show what Garrus looked like without a shirt.

I love Garrus, but thank God. I've seen the concept art of naked turians and...well, I need to focus on his voice, not his appearance.

But, there's always this.

[JSB93]

Fahrenheit was the shiz!



(On-topic) I think I would prefer a fade to black screen. Mostly because when it shows up and somebody walks in the room it is totally embarrassing, more so because of how terrible it looks.

[condiments1]

I just hate how unnatural and cheesy it all feels. Bioware romances basically devolve into a 5 conversations, which is followed by a sex scene. Afterward followed by how much they 'LURV' each other....even purely lustful characters aren't resistant to love's baleful arrow. After one or two conversations and a gift they fall for the PCs ways of seduction. (Must be the flaming weaponry on your PCs back, they are quite alluring)

I don't think I've seen a convincing romance in videogames yet.

Modifié par condiments1, 10 août 2010 - 12:59 .

[Saibh]

condiments1 wrote...

I just hate how unnatural and cheesy it all feels. Bioware romances basically devolve into a 5 conversations, which is followed by a sex scene. Afterward followed by how much they 'LURV' each other....even purely lustful characters aren't resistant to love's baleful arrow. After one or two conversations and one gift they fall for the PCs words of seduction.

I don't think I've seen a convincing romance in videogames yet.

Then you have not done Alistair's right.

Sure, you can powergame through the whole romance, but then you're not experiencing correctly. It's easier to do if you have a personality that isn't "ideal love interest". It makes it more interesting, more real.

Modifié par Saibh, 10 août 2010 - 01:06 .

[Dave of Canada]

condiments1 wrote...

I just hate how unnatural and cheesy it all feels. Bioware romances basically devolve into a 5 conversations, which is followed by a sex scene. Afterward followed by how much they 'LURV' each other....even purely lustful characters aren't resistant to love's baleful arrow. After one or two conversations and a gift they fall for the PCs ways of seduction. (Must be the flaming weaponry on your PCs back, they are quite alluring)

I don't think I've seen a convincing romance in videogames yet.

Morrigan's romance was relatively well done, the romance was AFTER the sex.

[Inverness Moon]

Saibh wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

I also thought ME2's scenes were awful, they just weren't nearly as artistic as those in ME1.

They didn't even show what Garrus looked like without a shirt.

I love Garrus, but thank God. I've seen the concept art of naked turians and...well, I need to focus on his voice, not his appearance.

Hey, it doesn't work like it. It's all or nothing, and I prefer all. 

http://bugball.devia...angel-150117699

[Saibh]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

I also thought ME2's scenes were awful, they just weren't nearly as artistic as those in ME1.

They didn't even show what Garrus looked like without a shirt.

I love Garrus, but thank God. I've seen the concept art of naked turians and...well, I need to focus on his voice, not his appearance.

Hey, it doesn't work like it. It's all or nothing, and I prefer all. 

http://bugball.devia...angel-150117699

...Eh.

It's just too different. Thane I could handle, since he seems to have human male musculature, but Garrus is just too, er, alien. I was fine with what we had...well, maybe a little more than a headbutt.

[yummysoap]

Saibh wrote...

yummysoap wrote...

But, damn, romance sure is that much more fun if you add some sex!

I'm just reiterating a thousand other people here, and I hate myself for it, but I just don't understand why we've all come to universally despise the human body. If it's shown gratuitously like some thirteen year-old's fantasy then, yeah, I guess I understand why some would oppose. But I give Bioware a little more credit for that, and I think just about anything is better than that ridiculous man-diaper underwear dryhumping thing they had going on in Origins. Anything.

I'd rather have no sex than gratuitously nude romance scenes--ME handled it very well, I think. DAO could have benefited from camera shots that didn't actually reveal they were wearing underwear the whole time. I'm pretty sure the reason the scenes were shot with underwear is so BioWare didn't get any flak for putting nude body models in their game directly accessible through the toolset. No, they're smart enough to know we'd make them within the hour the game came out.

I'm fine with sex scenes, so long as they're tasteful. Why do we need full-frontal breasts? We don't. The scene is still there without it.

But breasts aren't gratuitous. Women tend to have them, and they tend to come out to say hello during sex. Now, say all the breasts were massive gazongas and the camera centered on them when they flopped out with their jiggle physics - that would be gratuitous.

But just having them there is no more insulting (to me) than Mass Effect's three seconds bare arse. I'm not really arguing in favour of them, because, ****, they're just breasts, but I don't see how anyone can really argue against them, if not for anything else other than the fear that whichever lucky lady chooses to whip them out is going to go down the popular game developer road of doing everything she can to make sure her massive endowments are on-screen.

[Dave of Canada]

Saibh wrote...
...Eh.

It's just too different. Thane I could handle, since he seems to have human male musculature, but Garrus is just too, er, alien. I was fine with what we had...well, maybe a little more than a headbutt.

I know a lot of people will hate me for this but I found the Garrus scene to be the best of the romance scenes in Mass Effect 2, I found it the one scene where emotions were strong.

[Anarya]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Saibh wrote...
...Eh.

It's just too different. Thane I could handle, since he seems to have human male musculature, but Garrus is just too, er, alien. I was fine with what we had...well, maybe a little more than a headbutt.

I know a lot of people will hate me for this but I found the Garrus scene to be the best of the romance scenes in Mass Effect 2, I found it the one scene where emotions were strong.

Huh, that's interesting, because to me that romance just never seemed like anything deeper than friends-with-benefits, which is why I it wasn't my favorite even though I love Garrus as a character. I did appreciate how all the romances were very in character for each of the LIs, however.

[Dave of Canada]

Anarya wrote...

Huh, that's interesting, because to me that romance just never seemed like anything deeper than friends-with-benefits, which is why I it wasn't my favorite even though I love Garrus as a character. I did appreciate how all the romances were very in character for each of the LIs, however.

*cries and begins to fade away*

[Saibh]

yummysoap wrote...

Saibh wrote...

yummysoap wrote...

But, damn, romance sure is that much more fun if you add some sex!

I'm just reiterating a thousand other people here, and I hate myself for it, but I just don't understand why we've all come to universally despise the human body. If it's shown gratuitously like some thirteen year-old's fantasy then, yeah, I guess I understand why some would oppose. But I give Bioware a little more credit for that, and I think just about anything is better than that ridiculous man-diaper underwear dryhumping thing they had going on in Origins. Anything.

I'd rather have no sex than gratuitously nude romance scenes--ME handled it very well, I think. DAO could have benefited from camera shots that didn't actually reveal they were wearing underwear the whole time. I'm pretty sure the reason the scenes were shot with underwear is so BioWare didn't get any flak for putting nude body models in their game directly accessible through the toolset. No, they're smart enough to know we'd make them within the hour the game came out.

I'm fine with sex scenes, so long as they're tasteful. Why do we need full-frontal breasts? We don't. The scene is still there without it.

But breasts aren't gratuitous. Women tend to have them,

What?! Lies! I think I would have noticed.

and they tend to come out to say hello during sex.

Jesus Christ, they talk?!

(I'm sorry, I'm joking--not trying to troll or anything.)

Now, say all the breasts were massive gazongas and the camera centered on them when they flopped out with their jiggle physics - that would be gratuitous.

But just having them there is no more insulting (to me) than Mass Effect's three seconds bare arse. I'm not really arguing in favour of them, because, ****, they're just breasts, but I don't see how anyone can really argue against them, if not for anything else other than the fear that whichever lucky lady chooses to whip them out is going to go down the popular game developer road of doing everything she can to make sure her massive endowments are on-screen.

I really should clarify. Breasts don't bother me in and of themselves--I mean, I prefer things done without camera zooming and standing-still jiggle physics, but if they're there, it doesn't bother me. Personally, I think cutting away from the naughty bits is good in a romance cutscene--it focuses on the emotion of it, not the sexuality (well, for a romance scene like Leliana's or Alistair's).

This sort of all started because I was against the "show everything or nothing" sentiment.

[Saibh]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Saibh wrote...
...Eh.

It's just too different. Thane I could handle, since he seems to have human male musculature, but Garrus is just too, er, alien. I was fine with what we had...well, maybe a little more than a headbutt.

I know a lot of people will hate me for this but I found the Garrus scene to be the best of the romance scenes in Mass Effect 2, I found it the one scene where emotions were strong.

My problem is that their relationship amounted to that one last line: "I want this to go right". That's about as romantic as he gets. Everything else was him just going "god, this is a stupid crazy idea but I like you". Which is well and good, but it doesn't exactly convince me I'm not taking advantage of Garrus.

Then you compare to bland ole Jacob and you feel cheated.

Amends will be made if we see the continuation of Garrus' romances in full in the next game. If they progress further, I'll be absolutely happy with the romance in ME2.

[Dave of Canada]

Saibh wrote...


My problem is that their relationship amounted to that one last line: "I want this to go right". That's about as romantic as he gets. Everything else was him just going "god, this is a stupid crazy idea but I like you". Which is well and good, but it doesn't exactly convince me I'm not taking advantage of Garrus.

I felt though that Garrus wasn't the romantic type and it obviously showed in the ending, I just loved the emotions displayed because he went from trying to be the rough and tough merc to his attempt to try and do something right. Maybe it's just because I played a male character and had no interest in his romance, it was just nice to see another side of him except for his tough exterior.

[Anarya]

Hmm, well you guys are helping me see that romance in different lights, but I guess I just felt like he wasn't really attracted to Shep in that way but went with it if you forced the issue. Maybe I was misreading him, though.

[Annihilator27]

This time around were gonna have sex with our armor on.

[Dave of Canada]

annihilator27 wrote...

This time around were gonna have sex with our armor on.

Woot, Morrigan / Sten romance.

[Sidney]

The difference in quality between the ME1 scenes and ME2 is vast but then comparing ME1 to DAO is just flippin' laughable. The scenes were so bad they were embarassing to play - my wife was laughing the first time she hit that scene.



Other than some oversold "alien sex" hype you'll see more skin on prime time American TV than in ME1. Make a game for mature people at least provide a mature presentation. It doesn't have to be porn but at least be serious about the subject.

[Kail Ashton]

Jello shots & Barry White would fix this easily



On that note i'd hope there's some scene at a bar where you & your team mates get drunk and you have the option to have drunken sex with one of em, only to wake up the next morning in shock & horror (this should've totally happand to Alistair & Morrigan, c'mon bioware get it together~!)

[tmp7704]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I know a lot of people will hate me for this but I found the Garrus scene to be the best of the romance scenes in Mass Effect 2, I found it the one scene where emotions were strong.

I absolutely adore that one. The way it isn't afraid to pause action and uses it just right... perfect. The music is big part of it, too, seems to fit that one scene especially well.

[Khaanmouq]

To be honest, I did feel offended by the "love-scene" in DA:O

It offended me as an adult not being taken serious. C'mon - this game is titled as "adult, dark fantasy", and I am forced to see some ridiculous bras and pants, that at least in the case of Morrigan could never have been there in the first place. In a game that is suppost to be for an audiance older than eightteen?

It makes me angry, that some of the most natural things in the world - nude human bodies - are deemed to be offending, while cutting of heads and blood and gore spilling around is not. What's wrong with our perception of the world? How can someone be offended by nudity (mind you nudity, I can easily understand someone offended by porn) and at the same time not be offended by blood and gore? Is it ok to cut someones head off, but it is not ok to see bare breasts?

If someone seriously believes the love scene with Ashley and Shepard in ME1 was offending nudity, then I don't know what to say. It was way more tasteful then DA:O, which I considered to be plain ridiculous.

So, to stop ranting, I will add my vote:

Please Bioware, if you do not dare to show tasteful nudity in your games because you fear bad coverage in some conservative media channels, than don't show a love scene at all. Leave it to the audiance to fill any kind of scene in our imagination, but do not offend us with some ridiculous fig leaves.

[Riona45]

Khaanmouq wrote...

To be honest, I did feel offended by the "love-scene" in DA:O

It offended me as an adult not being taken serious. C'mon - this game is titled as "adult, dark fantasy", and I am forced to see some ridiculous bras and pants, that at least in the case of Morrigan could never have been there in the first place. In a game that is suppost to be for an audiance older than eightteen?

It makes me angry, that some of the most natural things in the world - nude human bodies - are deemed to be offending, while cutting of heads and blood and gore spilling around is not.

And, showing nipples on a monster (the Broodmother) is apparently OK.