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A new theory about the DA universe (earlier posted on other thread)


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I did some serious research and here's what I think is the inspiration  for DA series: Akallabeth from the LOTR universe. Numenors from  the Akallabeth attack the Western shores to claim immortality believing that by capturing the western lands they will inherit eternal life.  They are persuaded of this by the fallen Sauron.

Cut to DA  universe; my Hypothesis: The history of the DA is actually all about the elves. Elves rule Thedas and are immortals. They have a city at  the center of the world called Arlathan. They practice blood-magic, but  of the mild, non-evil kind. Their elders hibernate when very very old  and die of malnutrition. {smile}

They worship some very powerful fade spirits (their GOOD gods) and the Demons (evil gods) which no  longer exist in the fade in the present time-line. They are perhaps  familiar with the use of Lyrium, but there is no evidence of that.

Humans appear from some other geographical region. Elves teach humans magic.  Particularly mild blood magic. Humans being smart develop it and create  crazy blood magic. They form the tevinter Imperium. Jealous of the  eleven immortality they assault the city of Arlathan aka the golden  city. As they lay waste to it, the powerful elders perform powerful  magic to hide the city in the fade and underground simultaneously (it  exists perhaps as a shadow in the fade, the shadow of all the good and  golden the original was), away from the grasp of humans. The city being  the source of the immortality of the elves automatically nullifies their prolonged lives. The elders booby trap the shadow city, so if the mages from the imperium reach it, they will awaken a taint, the elven elders  created. The black city is connected via tears in the fade to its  earthly counterpart due to massive slaughter of the elves that happened  in it. The elders are powerful shape-shifters that can become  High-Dragons and now decide to hibernate under the earth to await the  Imperium springing their trap (actually this is the only explanation I
can think of the Arch-demons; the only place I think I will be caught  mistaken later.). They sing (uthenera :) )  {smilie}{smilie}{smilie}{smilie} and attract the dark-spawn to lead them to attack the world. The Archons conspire with some remaining  elves (who are unaware of the trap) to reach the newly appeared city  (Arlathan) in the fade, to acquire the secrets to immortality that were  lost with it; the elves help because they too want their immortality  back. They enter the city, but the trap is sprung... they become the  dark-spawn and now are forced, through blood-magic to find and awaken  the Elder, hibernating elven shape-shifted Dragons to start a Blight and destroy the world of men.

The warden are somehow aware of the  truth (the High-wardens) and use the blood-magic in the rituals of the  Joining to become anti-dark-spawns (perhaps guided by some enlightened  mage). Andraste, a powerful mage, formerly slave of the imperium  makes contact with a fade spirit like in the case of Wynne OR the god  Fen'Harel... (here again I am unsure)... and starts the cult of the  Maker, whom she believes to be the creator of the world. I vote for  Fen'Harel, as to why I will explain in some time. She leads a rebellion  against the imperium and decimates their forces, but is betrayed and  thus is born the Chantry. Andraste's ashes are taken by her powerful mage followers (possibly Shartan) and are protected by powerful magic  fueled by the Lyrium in the mountain near Haven.

The chantry  rewrites history according to Andraste's version of events. The Maker is thus born {smilie}.

Now I have some Hypotheses:

Andraste  is actually a woman who  harbors the pure soul of one of the the so  called Old Gods; like  Morrigan's God Child. This is supported very  very weakly. But I believe in  symbolism. And there is a very
important symbolism at work about Songs.  The Old Gods sing. The  elves Sing. Andraste Sings. Darkspwan are
attracted to Songs (of the Old gods). Leliana sings too but its just a  coninceidence  {smilie}{smilie}. Thus Andraste is so powerful because of her soul.  This may also explain why the haven people thought the Dragon on the  Mountain top was Andraste. Similar is the thing about Flemeth.  She also fits in the same category  except that she does not sing.  The difference is the character of the ladies. Andraste is a  lawful/neutral/chaotic good, while Flemeth is  Neutral Evil.


I think that the Maker is Fen'Harel because he has a motive in spreading  the chant of light across th w world. If everybody forgets the Gods of  the elves, they will simply seize to exist in material or fade plane and he will become the only god. This is because of the essential nature of the fade is most probably based on imagination and the dreams of the  mortals. This again is quite shaky. Thus I have some doubts about my own theory: Especially about the Old Gods and the Flemeth/Andraste Old God theory and about Fen'Harel. Feel free to enlighten me.

A small proof :

http://images1.wikia...0/ThedasMap.jpg

Have a look at the center :) The shape of the depression.

Now I am banking solely on the fact that the Golden/Black city is in fact  the lost city of Arlathan.

The fade was most probably  created or discovered by the elves! They created it or used it so when  they slept they could wander its ever-changing landscapes and create  anything they want (matrix!). The spirits it the fade are thus  consequences of collective sub-conscious of dreamers: notice how they  are all named after emotions. The spirit of Valor in the Mage origin  says so about his weapons that he can simply create it by thought.

If the elves created fade it can explain a lot. The fade is sub-space  lying normal to our universe with the city of Arlathan at its center.  Thus the city, which was the cemetery for the elves as well, was the  only place which existed in both planes simultaneously.... It acted as  an access point I would say. Now lets talk of some geometry:

Since the Black city is the center of fade, it would mean that all the fade  is a hollow Sphere, its surface being the residence of the demon/spirit  islands. It would be so important geometrically only if the fade was  constructed by people who lived in it (self-importance). This kind of  goes against my earlier theory but I think it can still be accommodated  there. One can argue that the Imperium wanted to first conquer the  Physical Arlathan, sending it to the bottom of the earth and THEN the Fade Arlathan to master it. But the elven elders hid the secret to its entry.

Then the same argument can continue....

Modifié par SirShreK, 11 juillet 2010 - 08:34 .


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Please, please fix the formatting of your post.

Anyway, in my opinion, the history of Thedas is very heavily influenced by the Fade and the mechanics of the Fade world. For example, I think Andraste was a mage. I hope we find out more about it in DA2 or in future games.

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Gill Kaiser wrote...

Please, please fix the formatting of your post.
Anyway, in my opinion, the history of Thedas is very heavily influenced by the Fade and the mechanics of the Fade world. For example, I think Andraste was a mage. I hope we find out more about it in DA2 or in future games.


Thanks. I did that :).

How is the example related to your opinion? Care to explain?

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Gill Kaiser wrote...

Please, please fix the formatting of your post.
Anyway, in my opinion, the history of Thedas is very heavily influenced by the Fade and the mechanics of the Fade world. For example, I think Andraste was a mage. I hope we find out more about it in DA2 or in future games.

Posted ImagePosted ImageI'm sure the Chantry would LOVE that! LOL

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well imo you could be right about the elfs creating the darkspawn but i think the elven trap is a little more evil than you think: a blight occurs when an old dragon god is found by the darkspawn. they change it into archdemons. the dragon-gods were the gods of the tevinter imperium. so the elves would kill two birds with one stone: they would attack the humans with blights and would force them to KILL one of theyre own gods to end the blight.

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But the dragons; why would they call the Darkspawn with songs? Who typically is known to sing songs? Elves! Songs are mighty important in DA.

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There's a Stargate somewhere up North. First the elves are chilling and the humans suddenly appear due North and head South. Then, millennia later, the humans are chilling and the Qunari suddenly appear due North and head South. Given how each new race is taller than the last, I expect the dwarves to have been the original surface dwelling inhabitants of Thedas. :P

As for Gill's post: damn right Andraste was a mage. She was Flemeth:D (and, going further back, one of the original Magisters)

It'd be deliciously ironic.

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Ulicus wrote...

There's a Stargate somewhere up North. First the elves are chilling and the humans suddenly appear due North and head South. Then, millennia later, the humans are chilling and the Qunari suddenly appear due North and head South. Given how each new race is taller than the last, I expect the dwarves to have been the original surface dwelling inhabitants of Thedas. :P

As for Gill's post: damn right Andraste was a mage. She was Flemeth:D (and, going further back, one of the original Magisters)

It'd be deliciously ironic.


Yeah that troubles me too.. where do all these guys come from? Is it possible that the Quanri had once enslaved humans who are actually escaped slaves?

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SirShreK wrote...

But the dragons; why would they call the Darkspawn with songs? Who typically is known to sing songs? Elves! Songs are mighty important in DA.



because they we're tainted. in awakening the architect told you something about how an archdemon comes to live. i think they actually do something similar with the dragons than they do with women they wan't to be broodmothers. i mean, if the dragons actually were the elves, then why taint them. that would be quite a suicidal spell were u are making yourself a monster. that they sing makes sense: they WERE created by elven magic. besides, did u ever mention that the broodmother are looking pretty much like the mothergodesses of naturebounded peoples (like the elves)? uhhh i smell more elven magic xDDDD

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Perhaps vengeance is the reason they are ready to become monsters? Like the Wardens, "Whatever it takes to achieve the goal (destroying the human race and its world)"

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SirShreK wrote...

Perhaps vengeance is the reason they are ready to become monsters? Like the Wardens, "Whatever it takes to achieve the goal (destroying the human race and its world)"



yeah but why would the tevinter imperium pray to elves that became dragons??^^

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They did not know that the Dragons were the elders??

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hmmmm you could have a point there, the only question that remains is why the darkspawn wouldn't follow the non tainted elders in the first place^^

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They were not given the secret of immortality.. perhaps it could not be given.... I would liike to know RATIONALLY why.. not like LOTR.. "Because Illuvatar does not make men first"

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i think we can agree that the darkspawn are an elven curse. what i also could imagine is that the elves made a mistake making theyre curse or something terrible happened. i can't imagine the elves would've wanted something like the architect.

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Thats pure evolutionary chance in action... :D

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Name me one modern fantasy book/film/game that isn't directly inspired by Tolkien? Come on...

The heavens are blue and mountains are made of stone.

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indeed xD. oh and just a thought i just had: do the darkspawn also exist on other continents? i mean, if the humans come from somewhere else and the qunari do, how is the darkspawn thing on theyre continent??

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Nope :) AND we have a proof for that: Sten! The Arshok asked "What is the Blight?"



Man they need fox news asap... care to set up a venture?

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Ulfros wrote...

Name me one modern fantasy book/film/game that isn't directly inspired by Tolkien? Come on...
The heavens are blue and mountains are made of stone.


Just one: Nigh****ch! Read it if you have time... Great stuff...

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???????????????????????????????????????????????????? WTF???? it hid something as simple as Night-watch!

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Tw@t is a swearword :)

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And WTF is not? great! :)

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SirShrek I think you might be right, I already thought of the fact that Fen'Harel could be the Maker.

But you're theory about the Old Gods being the Elders, now that was a good one.

I mean when you are Dalish and you talk to Morigan about her magic style, you will mention: Our Keepers have a similar kind of magic.



So yeah it's possible.

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i don't even know what tw@t means xD could someone enlighten me??? and another question about the darkspawn: the codex says that every race produces broodmothers producing another form of darkspawn. so why the hell are there so many hurlocs (humans), i mean theres as much of them as genlocks (dwarfs). and the "theres a blight argument doesn't count, because the darkspawn aren't creating as much broodmothers during a blight (timefactor)