SirShreK wrote...
I have a question: Is it a oversight that the genlock emissaries can cast magic spells? they are dwarfs!
genlock emissaries are not dwarfs they are magical not goblins and the same with the hurlock emissaries.. magical not orcs
A new theory about the DA universe (earlier posted on other thread)
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 02:09
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genlock emissaries are not dwarfs they are magical not goblins and the same with the hurlock emissaries.. magical not orcs
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 02:16
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When you say to look at the center and note the shape of the depression, ... I don't get it, what should I be seeing, exactly? Perhaps my spatial cognitive functions aren't what they should be, but I just see landforms arrayed in a logical-ish fashion. If you could clarify, either in a new post or edit your first one, I would appreciate it.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 02:37
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Morrigan is an Irish name meaning "great queen". Morrigan shares her name with the goddess of war and death of Irish mythology who often took the form of a crow. The Morrigan of Irish lore appears as both a young and beautiful woman as well as an old and ugly one.
"The Morrigan" is an often manipulative goddess in Irish Mythology. As many of the names in DA:O are taken from ancient Irish names and Morrigan's personality is often spiteful and callous, it is likely she was inspired in some way from this Irish legend.
"The Morrigan" is an often manipulative goddess in Irish Mythology. As many of the names in DA:O are taken from ancient Irish names and Morrigan's personality is often spiteful and callous, it is likely she was inspired in some way from this Irish legend.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 02:56
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angelgaidin wrote...
When you say to look at the center and note the shape of the depression, ... I don't get it, what should I be seeing, exactly? Perhaps my spatial cognitive functions aren't what they should be, but I just see landforms arrayed in a logical-ish fashion. If you could clarify, either in a new post or edit your first one, I would appreciate it.
I believe he means it looks as if something was there before, and is no longer(such as a city). The layout looks likes a crater-like depression and the name over it is even "The Silent Plains" which tells us there is in fact nothing there(it's also located directly in the center of the Tevinter Imperium and Thedas itself).
Reading this whole forum over as made me believe you guys are correct in assuming all of this. We don't know a lot about the DA universe(nothing confirmed anyway) and I surley hope they'll leave no stone unturned! Such a magnificent world they have created and I'd like to now all it's secrets.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 08:50
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ladydea wrote...
iTomes wrote...
Gill Kaiser wrote...
Tw@t is a British swearword that refers to a female's genitalia. Colloquially it is used to negatively describe a person in the same way as d*ck, as*hole, etc.
a thank you now i got one more word to insult people in another language..
*facepalm* British is not "another language", in fact, it isn't a language at all! They speak English, the same language you're using.
Anyways, I think it's an interesting theory, you'll have to excuse me if I take it with a grain of salt, though.
Nah.. I take it with a bottleful of salt myself.. But it makes sense as it can explain a lot of things that are canonical..
I would like to know YOUR particular grain though...
@iTomes: One may not need to use blood magic to get to the Fade Arlathan.. You can go there without physically entering it and STILL kill the guys
Remember Connor.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 08:52
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Syphos wrote...
angelgaidin wrote...
When you say to look at the center and note the shape of the depression, ... I don't get it, what should I be seeing, exactly? Perhaps my spatial cognitive functions aren't what they should be, but I just see landforms arrayed in a logical-ish fashion. If you could clarify, either in a new post or edit your first one, I would appreciate it.
I believe he means it looks as if something was there before, and is no longer(such as a city). The layout looks likes a crater-like depression and the name over it is even "The Silent Plains" which tells us there is in fact nothing there(it's also located directly in the center of the Tevinter Imperium and Thedas itself).
Reading this whole forum over as made me believe you guys are correct in assuming all of this. We don't know a lot about the DA universe(nothing confirmed anyway) and I surley hope they'll leave no stone unturned! Such a magnificent world they have created and I'd like to now all it's secrets.
Yes.. its a great post-modern look at the fantasy world... With Gritty realism and scientific approach towards magic :
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 11:21
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Well i agree with most of your story SirShrek.
Although i think the Fade was made by the Elves Old Gods.
But it had too be the evil gods.
Because according too the codex the good gods created the earth and everything on it.
There is even one part about Falon'Din friend of the dead who takes a old deer true a 'tear' in the world
meaning the Fade was already there.
Also wasn't there something about Fen'Harel walking between both worlds, both gods?
Although i think the Fade was made by the Elves Old Gods.
But it had too be the evil gods.
Because according too the codex the good gods created the earth and everything on it.
There is even one part about Falon'Din friend of the dead who takes a old deer true a 'tear' in the world
meaning the Fade was already there.
Also wasn't there something about Fen'Harel walking between both worlds, both gods?
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 11:30
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But then why is the Black city at the center of the fade?
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 11:33
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SirShreK wrote...
But then why is the Black city at the center of the fade?
I did not say the Elven Elders did not sink Arlathen into the Fade, I just don't think the Elders created the Fade like you said in one of you're earlier posts.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 11:34
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Nono I get what you are saying. The point is that since it is in the center of the fade, fade was created after ht black city was or golden city was there...
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 11:39
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SirShreK wrote...
Nono I get what you are saying. The point is that since it is in the center of the fade, fade was created after ht black city was or golden city was there...
Didn't someone say before that Arlathen was in the centre of Thedas?
Well every Codex entry about Arlathen says that it 'sunk'. So maybe there was a rip in the Fade so big that it sunk into the Fade?
Or like in the Wheel of Time universe by Robert Jordan, What is there in the real world is there in the dream world.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 11:42
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Risax wrote...
SirShreK wrote...
Nono I get what you are saying. The point is that since it is in the center of the fade, fade was created after ht black city was or golden city was there...
Didn't someone say before that Arlathen was in the centre of Thedas?
Well every Codex entry about Arlathen says that it 'sunk'. So maybe there was a rip in the Fade so big that it sunk into the Fade?
Or like in the Wheel of Time universe by Robert Jordan, What is there in the real world is there in the dream world.
Exactly my thoughts.... The fade is a replica of the real world, only that it is malleable to the use of the fade wanderers.. so it can be constantly adjusted.... It is constructed around the black city! If you are immortal the only way of avoid getting bored is to go to a place that is everchanging....
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 11:46
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Perhaps the Fade was not made but has always existed.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 11:50
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Perhaps the Fade was not made but has always existed.
:(:(:(:(:(Did you read my argument agaisnt that argument? Why is the black city so importantly placed then? Why can't dwarves go there?
I propose: Humans and Elves have a common ancestry that is why both of them go to fade when asleep and dreaming and can perform magic. Dwarves are really different thingies....
Fade, if it had always existed, would have the Black city, that according to what I belive appeared later and is Arlathan, some where near the corner or randomly arranged. There is one possibility though; Arlathan has always existed, even before elves... this may be argued upon.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 11:52
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leonia42 wrote...
Perhaps the Fade was not made but has always existed.
Good point I thought the Elven so called evil gods created it since the good Elven gods created earth.
But yes from the Chantry point of view. They said the maker lived in the golden city (it isn't mentioned its in the fade however) and when the mages stepped in it Blackend.
But yes they realy don't say who made the Fade, they only said the maker created spirits in his image who later became demons or remained spirits (Codex entry in DA Awakening)
There even rumors there is something beyond the Fade.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 11:54
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SirShreK wrote...
Did you read my argument agaisnt that argument? Why is the black city so importantly placed then? Why can't dwarves go there?
I propose: Humans and Elves have a common ancestry that is why both of them go to fade when asleep and dreaming and can perform magic. Dwarves are really different thingies....
Fade, if it had always existed, would have the Black city, that according to what I belive appeared later and is Arlathan, some where near the corner or randomly arranged. There is one possibility though; Arlathan has always existed, even before elves... this may be argued upon.
I also thought Arlathen existed before the Elves did, but I thought it was made by the Elven Gods when they still walked the Earth.
You know before Fen'Heral tricked them.
Then it could have made sence that it apeared in the Fade and was a big source of power.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 11:58
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Why do you think the elven gods made Arlathan?
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 12:07
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Some Dalish NPC's and some Codex entries said that some Elven gods walked the Earth before Fen'Heral the Trickster god sealed them and the Evil elven gods away.SirShreK wrote...
Why do you think the elven gods made Arlathan?
And since it is never revealed if the Elves themselves build Arlathan it could be a possebility that the Gods build the city for themselves, or as a sign of love for the elves.
While lived in the Arlathan in the Fade.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 12:08
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Maker as an Idea does not appear until Andraste.
Thus the legend of Golden city being blackened should be taken as an allegory ( I love you Wynne).
If you interpret that allegory rationally, you see the Imperium mages invading a sacred place for power. This resulted in two things: The sacred place being tainted and Mages becoming Darkspawn.
This definitely happened after the fall of Arlathan as a city. The process of getting into the black city explicitly mentions elven slaves being sacrificed and entering the fade. Thus the sacred place was not the Real Arlathan but its Fade counterpart. This would mean that the Fade counterpart was not tainted earlier BUT after this event. As it is always emphasized as a constant of fade, itshould mean that is a necessary part of the fade and thus must have existed along with the fade since its inception.
Thus the legend of Golden city being blackened should be taken as an allegory ( I love you Wynne).
If you interpret that allegory rationally, you see the Imperium mages invading a sacred place for power. This resulted in two things: The sacred place being tainted and Mages becoming Darkspawn.
This definitely happened after the fall of Arlathan as a city. The process of getting into the black city explicitly mentions elven slaves being sacrificed and entering the fade. Thus the sacred place was not the Real Arlathan but its Fade counterpart. This would mean that the Fade counterpart was not tainted earlier BUT after this event. As it is always emphasized as a constant of fade, itshould mean that is a necessary part of the fade and thus must have existed along with the fade since its inception.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 12:12
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Remember people, the codexes in the game are VERY biased, you have to take all that information with a grain of salt.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 12:13
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Risax wrote...
Some Dalish NPC's and some Codex entries said that some Elven gods walked the Earth before Fen'Heral the Trickster god sealed them and the Evil elven gods away.SirShreK wrote...
Why do you think the elven gods made Arlathan?
And since it is never revealed if the Elves themselves build Arlathan it could be a possebility that the Gods build the city for themselves, or as a sign of love for the elves.
While lived in the Arlathan in the Fade.
I have my doubts. If the elven gods lived in the fade AND in Arlathan of the fade in particular, they should come out of the Black city and not the Blight.
No.
It is much more probable that the ancient elves who used to go to the physical arlathan :
http://social.biowar...ry_of_the_Elves
Went there to access the fade as it was easier from there.... There is no metion of conversation with gods when they went there.... Rather the gods lived on earth.. (read the codexii for the elven pantheon) and were banished in two unknown places (heavens and Abyss).
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 12:15
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leonia42 wrote...
Remember people, the codexes in the game are VERY biased, you have to take all that information with a grain of salt.
That's exactly what I am trying to do...
I emplyed a simple way of doing that..
What two antagonists independently accept as true, must be true....
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 12:17
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Indeed, not trying to curb anyone's enthusiasm here and while we can speculate about MANY things in Dragon Age there may be no right or wrong answers. It's still fun to think of the what ifs though.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 12:22
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leonia42 wrote...
Indeed, not trying to curb anyone's enthusiasm here and while we can speculate about MANY things in Dragon Age there may be no right or wrong answers. It's still fun to think of the what ifs though.
LeoniA!! You just curbed it!!
Listen dearie, we are trying to speculate.. intelligently for a change.. because its fun and its refreshing to think about hings without contradictions...
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 12:26
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Heh, sorry! I am still trying to get my head around the concept of Arlathan being in the Fade. I do have a soft spot for the Elves and it is too coincidental that they were once immortal and that there is much speculation over the Elven gods being the dragons. Still trying to follow along without getting lost but hey this thread has my support
