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[_-Greywolf-_]

This subject was brought up in a previous thread but since it was brought up in what started as a "Bioware you ruined Dragon Age 2" thread I have decided to give it its own thread devoted to the discussion of the topic.

To start of here is what Ray Muzyka has to say on predefined characters

"Here's how the games are different: Dragon Age is a first person narrative, where you're taking on an origin and a role, and you are that character at a fundamental level. It's fundamentally about defining your character, including those kinds of concepts," Dr. Ray told IGN. "In Mass Effect it's more a third-person narrative, where you have a pre-defined character who is who he is, or she is. But it's not a wide-open choice matrix. It's more choice on a tactical level with a pre-defined character. So they're different types of narratives, and that's intentional."

"We're not saying that one approach is better than the other. In our previous games, as we did in Jade Empire, as we did in KOTOR, as we did in Baldur's Gate, and many games before and in the future, we enable those kinds of choices, whereas in Mass Effect it's more about Shepard as a defined character with certain approaches and worldviews, and that's just who he or she is. So we constrain the choice set somewhat, but enable more tactical choices and enable a deeper, richer personality, because it's more focused around defining one character, it's not as wide open. But that's by choice."

"It's first person versus third person narrative, and the types of choices you get to make within that are related to that, whether you've got a pre-defined character or a wide-open character. Some of our games have been wide open, and some have been more constrained, and we'll probably continue both kinds of character development in the future."

Full article can be found here

This is mostly about Shepard but it also points out a lot of my fears with this new Hawke character. While I know that it is impossible for Dragon Age 2 to have the same level of choice when defining your characters personality since the addition of voice acting and origins and races have been taken out but there was still a lot of choice when defining your character within a single origin. Take the human noble for example, you could go from a brave warrior with a sense of duty and honor to a cowardly and immoral backstabbing rouge who cares more about his coin purse than the troubles of the world. Will we have the same level of choice for Hawke when defining his personality?

Will Hawke range from coward to hero? Good or Evil? Gay or Straight?

Discuss. 

[andar91]

I think we will. Bioware gave us a more defined hero/heroine but I can't imagine they would cast too much in stone. I'll bet we can do plenty with Hawke once we step into his/her shoes.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Nothing will change: instead of six pre-defined origins in which you were able to decide the character's 'personality' yourself, you will simply have one.

[Ulicus]

But how much did we really get to "define" our character in DA, really? Short of going through the .tlk files and re-writing the dialogue responses, it was impossible to really "define" your character any which way you'd like. We defined them within parameters.

Aside from having (hopefully) a decent voice actor, I don't expect Hawke to be that much more defined than Cousland, Aeducan, Amell or whoever were.

As the post above me says: What we appear to be getting this time around is a very well developed "Human Commoner" origin to which the entire narrative can be devoted. I think it's a good thing, if only because it almost guarantees a greater depth to the origin than any of those in first game were able to achieve.

Modifié par Ulicus, 11 juillet 2010 - 09:04 .

[Thomas9321]

They've said repeatedly that you'll be able to give Hawke a personality. It's just like with Revan in KOTOR - you could give him a unique personality, but he always had the same role in the universe. Honestly, Hawke is far more similar to Revan than Shepard. Shepard comparisons are just scare mongering. This is hardly a new direction, they're just trying out VO.

[StonerMkII]

Except the character is clearly named Hawke. I dont see many females being happy about running around the land with a female character named Hawke. Even with me being a guy, i sure would not run around with a female character named Hawke. Im disappointed that they are now taking away character customization but whatever. Hope they make up for it.

[Mary Kirby]

Commander Shepard is a much more specific character than Hawke is. Shepard is one very particular marine chosen to do a particularly challenging job. Hawke is somebody who goes from being a refugee to being important to Thedas history somehow.  Defining who Hawke turns out to be and how that happens is sort of where the player comes in to the story.

[NKKKK]

Another Baw thread

[-Semper-]

StonerMkII wrote...

i sure would not run around with a female character named Hawke. Im disappointed that they are now taking away character customization but whatever. Hope they make up for it.

hawke is the surname. this was also set in dragon age: origins... you can name your pc the way you want.

[LPPrince]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Commander Shepard is a much more specific character than Hawke is. Shepard is one very particular marine chosen to do a particularly challenging job. Hawke is somebody who goes from being a refugee to being important to Thedas history somehow.  Defining who Hawke turns out to be and how that happens is sort of where the player comes in to the story.

And thus, DA2 begins......

[element eater]

well the voice over means you'llalways loose some freedoms as youll always be the same guy in essence, even if u have alot of in game freedom, multiple playthroughs will still probably feel like the same guy making differant choices/comments rather then an entirely differeant character as would be the case in origins. Shepard, for example always feels like shepard regardless of your choice and appearance unless they do something special with the voice acting i feel this will be the case in DA2. Shepard might be more specific but i think its hard to shake the limits of VO on a characters personilisation

Modifié par element eater, 11 juillet 2010 - 09:14 .

[Herr Uhl]

element eater wrote...

well the voice over means your freedoms going to be quite limited as youll always be the same guy in essence. even if u have alot of in game freedom, multiple playthroughs will just feel like the same guy making differant choices/comments rather then an entirely differeant character as would be the case in origins. Shepard, for example always feels like shepard regardless of your choice and appearance unless they do something special with the voice acting i feel this will be the case in DA2.

Which is why I hope that there will come a mod that mutes the character. Using subtitles you can follow the conversations anyway.

[GodWood]

StonerMkII wrote...
Except the character is clearly named Hawke. I dont see many females being happy about running around the land with a female character named Hawke. Even with me being a guy, i sure would not run around with a female character named Hawke. Im disappointed that they are now taking away character customization but whatever. Hope they make up for it.

One of my closest friends (a girl) absolutely loves the character name Hawke.

[Rogue Unit]

Herr Uhl wrote...

element eater wrote...

well the voice over means your freedoms going to be quite limited as youll always be the same guy in essence. even if u have alot of in game freedom, multiple playthroughs will just feel like the same guy making differant choices/comments rather then an entirely differeant character as would be the case in origins. Shepard, for example always feels like shepard regardless of your choice and appearance unless they do something special with the voice acting i feel this will be the case in DA2.

Which is why I hope that there will come a mod that mutes the character. Using subtitles you can follow the conversations anyway.

Dragon Age had an option to mute dialogue I'm sure DA2 will also.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 11 juillet 2010 - 09:13 .

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Commander Shepard is a much more specific character than Hawke is. Shepard is one very particular marine chosen to do a particularly challenging job. Hawke is somebody who goes from being a refugee to being important to Thedas history somehow.  Defining who Hawke turns out to be and how that happens is sort of where the player comes in to the story.

That makes me feel better.

[Addai]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Which is why I hope that there will come a mod that mutes the character. Using subtitles you can follow the conversations anyway.

I hope for the same, but we will still have less control over our characters, since we can't choose verbatim responses but only general blurbs and then have to wait to see what the game spits out for the PC.  "Agree sarcastically" or "ask about XYZ suspiciously" is all the input I get into what is said by my character.

Modifié par Addai67, 11 juillet 2010 - 09:20 .

[Fangirl17]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Commander Shepard is a much more specific character than Hawke is. Shepard is one very particular marine chosen to do a particularly challenging job. Hawke is somebody who goes from being a refugee to being important to Thedas history somehow.  Defining who Hawke turns out to be and how that happens is sort of where the player comes in to the story.

I am VERY happy to hear that. I was extremely worried that we would have a predetermined personality like Shepard. Thank you for clearing that up.

[_-Greywolf-_]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Commander Shepard is a much more specific character than Hawke is. Shepard is one very particular marine chosen to do a particularly challenging job. Hawke is somebody who goes from being a refugee to being important to Thedas history somehow.  Defining who Hawke turns out to be and how that happens is sort of where the player comes in to the story.

Yes we have heard Hawke will be more flexible than Shepard but will he be as flexible as a single origin in Origins? Or will Hawke still have somewhat of a predefined view on the world and certain things such as homosexuality?

Edit: Oh and thanks for taking the time out to answer our questions, I really appreciate it.

Modifié par _-Greywolf-_, 11 juillet 2010 - 09:27 .

[Master Shiori]

My understanding is that Hawke will be predetermined when it comes to his origin and ultimate destiny.



His personality, sexuality and other qualities are up to us to decide.

[Mary Kirby]

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

Yes we have heard Hawke will be more flexible than Shepard but will he be as flexible as a single origin in Origins? Or will Hawke still have somewhat of a predefined view on the world and certain things such as homosexuality?

Worldview is one of the things that Dragon Age is about.  Your character's personal perspective on the issues and events of Thedas were a crucial part of the story, and we'd like to keep it that way for DA2.

And you are totally not going to trick me into talking about what the romance options are yet. Don't even try.

[_-Greywolf-_]

Mary Kirby wrote...

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

Yes we have heard Hawke will be more flexible than Shepard but will he be as flexible as a single origin in Origins? Or will Hawke still have somewhat of a predefined view on the world and certain things such as homosexuality?

Worldview is one of the things that Dragon Age is about.  Your character's personal perspective on the issues and events of Thedas were a crucial part of the story, and we'd like to keep it that way for DA2.

And you are totally not going to trick me into talking about what the romance options are yet. Don't even try.

Well you cant blame a guy for trying can you?

[OriginsIsBest]

Why is so many people interested in gay romance options? it freaks me out a little .... I can understand Girls on girls sort of thing but guys on guys!?

[GodWood]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Why is so many people interested in gay romance options? it freaks me out a little .... I can understand Girls on girls sort of thing but guys on guys!?

Gay men play games too.

[Herr Uhl]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Why is so many people interested in gay romance options? it freaks me out a little .... I can understand Girls on girls sort of thing but guys on guys!?

If you are going to troll, do it better.