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Mary Kirby wrote...

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Yes we have heard Hawke will be more flexible than Shepard but will he be as flexible as a single origin in Origins? Or will Hawke still have somewhat of a predefined view on the world and certain things such as homosexuality?


Worldview is one of the things that Dragon Age is about.  Your character's personal perspective on the issues and events of Thedas were a crucial part of the story, and we'd like to keep it that way for DA2.

And you are totally not going to trick me into talking about what the romance options are yet. Don't even try. :P


At least he makes you admit indirectly there are romance options.. It's better than nothing Posted Image

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OriginsIsBest wrote...

Why is so many people interested in gay romance options? it freaks me out a little .... I can understand Girls on girls sort of thing but guys on guys!?


Ignorance is wonderfull!

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StonerMkII wrote...

Except the character is clearly named Hawke. I dont see many females being happy about running around the land with a female character named Hawke. Even with me being a guy, i sure would not run around with a female character named Hawke. Im disappointed that they are now taking away character customization but whatever. Hope they make up for it.



Hawke is the characters last name. If you were female, you would be called...... Jill Hawke...... or whatever you want it to be, just like Mass Effect. Altough i really just want to be my grey warden from DA:O in DA 2.

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OriginsIsBest wrote...

Why is so many people interested in gay romance options? it freaks me out a little .... I can understand Girls on girls sort of thing but guys on guys!?


I never really follow the romance sub plots in Dragon Age as I prefer to play more of a lone wolf character (on my main at least), however I think that the confirmation of gay romances would say a lot about how much freedom we have to customize Hawkes personality.

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Wishpig wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Why is so many people interested in gay romance options? it freaks me out a little .... I can understand Girls on girls sort of thing but guys on guys!?


Ignorance is wonderfull!


And really scary.

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Herr Uhl wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Why is so many people interested in gay romance options? it freaks me out a little .... I can understand Girls on girls sort of thing but guys on guys!?


If you are going to troll, do it better.

Im not trolling. Im just saying I dont find guy on guy interesting. Why do you?

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I think we may well have a good range of choice, if early game decisions have the ability to influence a character's later personality and interactions (for my post on that, see: http://social.biowar...1/index/3097398) If we can retain a wide spectrum of choices to define the character and have the effect of those showing up on him/her in-game, that would be pretty amazing...kind of the next step to where Bioware has been taking its RPGs.

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OriginsIsBest wrote...
Im not trolling. Im just saying I dont find guy on guy interesting. Why do you?

There is a greater percentage of this board who prefer the same-sex relationships, and a lot of them are guys. Some others are approving of their freedom to speak their mind.

Me? I like big butts.

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OriginsIsBest wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Why is so many people interested in gay romance options? it freaks me out a little .... I can understand Girls on girls sort of thing but guys on guys!?


If you are going to troll, do it better.

Im not trolling. Im just saying I dont find guy on guy interesting. Why do you?

It's not about who is gay and who isn't, we are talking about the flexibility of Hawke's personality. No one cares if you are homophobic or not.

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Mary Kirby wrote...

Commander Shepard is a much more specific character than Hawke is. Shepard is one very particular marine chosen to do a particularly challenging job. Hawke is somebody who goes from being a refugee to being important to Thedas history somehow.  Defining who Hawke turns out to be and how that happens is sort of where the player comes in to the story.


Interesting.  Reminds me of the first Witcher game, where much of the plot revolves around defining who Geralt is as a person.

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i don't think we are predefined. shepard was some guy with a gun but for hawke we get time to change his person by the experience we make. for example, if we are betrayed by someone we start thinking: dammit we shouldn't trus everyone. in DA:O we were the person we were from the very beginning. now we have (also because we have a timeline of ten years) the chance to change us (does that sound confusing... yes it does. im sorry im german and don't know enough words of the english language to express what im tryin to say xD)

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OriginsIsBest wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Why is so many people interested in gay romance options? it freaks me out a little .... I can understand Girls on girls sort of thing but guys on guys!?


If you are going to troll, do it better.

Im not trolling. Im just saying I dont find guy on guy interesting. Why do you?

Maybe they're gay guys? Or maybe they're just interested in fairness and less double standards? The previous posters are right, you're sounding incredibly ignorant right now. Girl/girl is fine but guy/guy isn't? Grow up. Just because it's not to your taste doesn't mean it doesn't have its place.

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Mary Kirby wrote...

And you are totally not going to trick me into talking about what the romance options are yet. Don't even try. :P


So there are romance options, then.


=D

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iTomes wrote...

i don't think we are predefined. shepard was some guy with a gun but for hawke we get time to change his person by the experience we make. for example, if we are betrayed by someone we start thinking: dammit we shouldn't trus everyone. in DA:O we were the person we were from the very beginning. now we have (also because we have a timeline of ten years) the chance to change us (does that sound confusing... yes it does. im sorry im german and don't know enough words of the english language to express what im tryin to say xD)


I believe you're suggesting that we might be able to develop personality as a reaction to events rather than deciding the personality at the beginning, yes?  That's a good point and should be interesting to play.

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StonerMkII wrote...

Except the character is clearly named Hawke. I dont see many females being happy about running around the land with a female character named Hawke. Even with me being a guy, i sure would not run around with a female character named Hawke. Im disappointed that they are now taking away character customization but whatever. Hope they make up for it.


I think another problem with giving the player a set name is that names can be used and are chosen to imply a bit about the character's personality, the surnames in Origins were different as they were quite vague (however I have no idea why the mage needed a fixed surname as he/she had no real family and I cant remember once where the surname was ever used in any conversation) however a name like Hawke seems to bring with it implications of a certain personality and personal traits. Take the name Shepard for example, a name like Shepard would imply that the man is a great leader and protector.

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Why should a surname imply anything at all about someone's personality?

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_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

I think another problem with giving the player a set name is that names can be used and are chosen to imply a bit about the character's personality, the surnames in Origins were different as they were quite vague (however I have no idea why the mage needed a fixed surname as he/she had no real family and I cant remember once where the surname was ever used in any conversation) however a name like Hawke seems to bring with it implications of a certain personality and personal traits. Take the name Shepard for example, a name like Shepard would imply that the man is a great leader and protector.


...What? That doesn't make sense. How are the surnames in DA:O more vague? Sure, the names might have a certain "feel" to you, but that doesn't mean your character has to act that way. Surnames are something nobody really has much control over - in the real world, lots of people with the same surname will act completely differently from one another. I'm sure we're going to have the opportunity to define Hawke's personality several different ways, so being restricted by the name can only really be in one's own head.

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AlanC9 wrote...

Why should a surname imply anything at all about someone's personality?


Exactly?

In real life, I'm a Prince. I won't give out my whole name or anything, but I've got the royal blood of Sikh Rajputs in my veins, yet my last name is Mohan.

Mohan is IRISH. Does that mean I'm supposed to have every stereotype of an Irishman be true of me?

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Mary Kirby wrote...

Commander Shepard is a much more specific character than Hawke is. Shepard is one very particular marine chosen to do a particularly challenging job. Hawke is somebody who goes from being a refugee to being important to Thedas history somehow.  Defining who Hawke turns out to be and how that happens is sort of where the player comes in to the story.


While some people are using the pre-defined aspects of Hawke to jump to broader conclusions about the game, I don't think the big issue is whether we will have some control over the character or not, I think the issue is why the character has to be human.  I'm not sure you guys can address that at this point without spoiling more of the game then you want to, though.

However, I'm guessing it has to do with the character having at least the option of ending up a very powerful public figure.  And from what we've been told of Thedas, humans are the dominant group.  Dwarves and elves have their own powerful leaders, but only within their communities, whereas pretty much all the kings and queens of Thedas seem to have been human.  So if, as has been theorized, Hawke can end up on a throne, having that character dwarven or elvish would cause issues.  Or at least issues that would require the game to account for the dwarven and elvish characters specifically, which would add significant additional development work that would only be seen by a portion of the players. It's also possible that for long-term story purposes Hawke has to be human to simplify options in future games.

Either way, I don't expect the "only human" thing will make much sense at least until we play the game.

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AlanC9 wrote...

Why should a surname imply anything at all about someone's personality?


Nobody said they have to imply anything about a characters personality but they are sometimes used by writers to convey an aspect of their characters personality, what you think Shepard was just a coincidence?

However I am not saying that Hawke DOES convey a certain personality, what I am saying is that this could be why people dislike being forced to use the name Hawke.

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Mary Kirby wrote...

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

Yes we have heard Hawke will be more flexible than Shepard but will he be as flexible as a single origin in Origins? Or will Hawke still have somewhat of a predefined view on the world and certain things such as homosexuality?


Worldview is one of the things that Dragon Age is about.  Your character's personal perspective on the issues and events of Thedas were a crucial part of the story, and we'd like to keep it that way for DA2.

And you are totally not going to trick me into talking about what the romance options are yet. Don't even try. :P


Pleeaaseeee, There is cake in it for ya............

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I guess I didn't get that memo. What was Shepard supposed to convey in ME, exactly?

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OriginsIsBest wrote...

Why is so many people interested in gay romance options? it freaks me out a little .... I can understand Girls on girls sort of thing but guys on guys!?


Well, SOMEBODY has never visited fanfiction.net.
*is too tired to attempt a serious respone, besides, people have done it better already*

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AlanC9 wrote...

I guess I didn't get that memo. What was Shepard supposed to convey in ME, exactly?

The name Shepard has a conveyance of leadership.

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_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

(however I have no idea why the mage needed a fixed surname as he/she had no real family and I cant remember once where the surname was ever used in any conversation)


The surnames were only important in noble origins but making fixed surnames for some origins and leaving surnames open in others proved difficult and/or caused some problems so it was easier to just put fixed surnames for everyone

Hawke doesn't imply any traits for me I just think it sound too modern or somethingPosted Image. Like the last name of a hero in some detective novel or a hero in an action movie or something.
But when I first heard Cousland it sounded very strange to me but then I got used to it, I liked the name Aeducan very much however... I'm sure Hawke will grow on me eventually Posted Image