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LPPrince wrote...

sodomitebastard wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Commander Shepard is a much more specific character than Hawke is. Shepard is one very particular marine chosen to do a particularly challenging job. Hawke is somebody who goes from being a refugee to being important to Thedas history somehow.  Defining who Hawke turns out to be and how that happens is sort of where the player comes in to the story.


Ah, Mary... This made my day (night)
Reading this quenched the few doubts I had, and now I'm almost only looking forward to Dragon Age 2... Were you not a woman I'd consider proposing to you! B)


Propose to her regardless. It'd bring much lulz.


But I live in Sweden! I'm not much for long-distance relationships! It has not worked well in the past! 

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Sweden and Canada are pretty much the same though. I only have the long distance to hinder me.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 12 juillet 2010 - 12:01 .


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Why should a surname imply anything at all about someone's personality?


Exactly?

In real life, I'm a Prince. I won't give out my whole name or anything, but I've got the royal blood of Sikh Rajputs in my veins, yet my last name is Mohan.

Mohan is IRISH. Does that mean I'm supposed to have every stereotype of an Irishman be true of me?


You're a Rajput legacy? Awesome! You guys won against the Roman Legionnaire!

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My my, it will be expensive to travel that distance!

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sodomitebastard wrote...

My my, it will be expensive to travel that distance!


Swimming over the Arctic sea builds character.

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KproTM wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Why should a surname imply anything at all about someone's personality?


Exactly?

In real life, I'm a Prince. I won't give out my whole name or anything, but I've got the royal blood of Sikh Rajputs in my veins, yet my last name is Mohan.

Mohan is IRISH. Does that mean I'm supposed to have every stereotype of an Irishman be true of me?


You're a Rajput legacy? Awesome! You guys won against the Roman Legionnaire!


Believe it or not, I gave Geoff Desmoulin(personal friend of mine) the idea to use the Rajputs.

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sodomitebastard wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

sodomitebastard wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Commander Shepard is a much more specific character than Hawke is. Shepard is one very particular marine chosen to do a particularly challenging job. Hawke is somebody who goes from being a refugee to being important to Thedas history somehow.  Defining who Hawke turns out to be and how that happens is sort of where the player comes in to the story.


Ah, Mary... This made my day (night)
Reading this quenched the few doubts I had, and now I'm almost only looking forward to Dragon Age 2... Were you not a woman I'd consider proposing to you! B)


Propose to her regardless. It'd bring much lulz.


But I live in Sweden! I'm not much for long-distance relationships! It has not worked well in the past! 


So. The internet knows no bounds.

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History of Mohan-

This famous Irish surname recorded in such diverse spellings as O'Mahon, Mahon, Moan, Moen, Mowne, Mohan, Mohun, Mowen, Maughan and Vaughan, has two possible derivations. The first is from the ancient Gaelic O'Mochain, apparently translating as "the son of the descendant of the early one" a reference to the first chief, whilst the second is of Norman origins, and derives from the "de Mohun" family, who accompanied Strongbow, earl of Pembroke, on his original expedition to Ireland in the year 1169. There are now two separate clans or septs, one in Connacht, the other in Munster, where to add confusion the name is usually spelt Vaughan. In County Galway, the name is most usually spelt as Mahon, although sometimes as Maughan or Mahan. In County Roscommon in the 13th century the clan were "erenaghs" or hereditary lords, responsible for the upkeep of the church and church property in their region. The transmutation of the surname from Mochain or Moghan to Vaughan, a Welsh surname, which arrived in Ireland in its own right before the 15th century, and which occurred particularly in counties Cork, Limerick and Clare, is one of life's little curiosities. The name spelling as Moan, Mowen, etc. is most popular in Ulster. Amongst the early recordings are those of Denis Mahan, the American soldier (1802 - 1871) whose parents emigrated from Ireland in 1802, and his son Alfred, the leading American naval historian (1840 - 1914). The first known recording of the family name is probably that of Gregory O'Moghan, the Archbishop of Tuam, Ireland, who died there in the year 1392. Surnames have continued to "develop" over the centuries, often leading to some amazing variants of the original spellings.

EDIT- It made its way from Ireland to India, hence my last name.


How'd you get the history on your name? I wanna know where "Prosser" came from

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LPPrince wrote...

sodomitebastard wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

sodomitebastard wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Commander Shepard is a much more specific character than Hawke is. Shepard is one very particular marine chosen to do a particularly challenging job. Hawke is somebody who goes from being a refugee to being important to Thedas history somehow.  Defining who Hawke turns out to be and how that happens is sort of where the player comes in to the story.


Ah, Mary... This made my day (night)
Reading this quenched the few doubts I had, and now I'm almost only looking forward to Dragon Age 2... Were you not a woman I'd consider proposing to you! B)


Propose to her regardless. It'd bring much lulz.


But I live in Sweden! I'm not much for long-distance relationships! It has not worked well in the past! 


So. The internet knows no bounds.


As the realistic pessimist I am, I still see problems! 
BTW, I bet she'll be a little creeped out when (if) she reads this disscussion! 

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sodomitebastard wrote...

My my, it will be expensive to travel that distance!


And as a bonus you don't have to worry about citizenship once you marry her.:P

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In the Balder's Gate series, you know...the one that everyone and their hunting hound totes as the BEST friggin' RPG 'ever!!!

You had one main character...

Peace & Love yall ;)

ps - DAO was/is an amazing accomplishment, but imo it's sole purpose and intent was to "Introduce" us and the world to Thedas and it's mythology and history.

Now with DA2 Bioware narrows the focus a bit to better able "tell" a more personal and compelling journey and adventure, set in the land we've come to love.

It's not a step backwards, it's a leap forward in depth!

Modifié par Roland Aseph, 12 juillet 2010 - 12:11 .


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Siradix wrote...

sodomitebastard wrote...

My my, it will be expensive to travel that distance!


And as a bonus you don't have to worry about citizenship once you marry her.:P


Haha, that's true I guess... Hey, I just might have my future set out for me now! :whistle:

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KproTM wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

History of Mohan-

This famous Irish surname recorded in such diverse spellings as O'Mahon, Mahon, Moan, Moen, Mowne, Mohan, Mohun, Mowen, Maughan and Vaughan, has two possible derivations. The first is from the ancient Gaelic O'Mochain, apparently translating as "the son of the descendant of the early one" a reference to the first chief, whilst the second is of Norman origins, and derives from the "de Mohun" family, who accompanied Strongbow, earl of Pembroke, on his original expedition to Ireland in the year 1169. There are now two separate clans or septs, one in Connacht, the other in Munster, where to add confusion the name is usually spelt Vaughan. In County Galway, the name is most usually spelt as Mahon, although sometimes as Maughan or Mahan. In County Roscommon in the 13th century the clan were "erenaghs" or hereditary lords, responsible for the upkeep of the church and church property in their region. The transmutation of the surname from Mochain or Moghan to Vaughan, a Welsh surname, which arrived in Ireland in its own right before the 15th century, and which occurred particularly in counties Cork, Limerick and Clare, is one of life's little curiosities. The name spelling as Moan, Mowen, etc. is most popular in Ulster. Amongst the early recordings are those of Denis Mahan, the American soldier (1802 - 1871) whose parents emigrated from Ireland in 1802, and his son Alfred, the leading American naval historian (1840 - 1914). The first known recording of the family name is probably that of Gregory O'Moghan, the Archbishop of Tuam, Ireland, who died there in the year 1392. Surnames have continued to "develop" over the centuries, often leading to some amazing variants of the original spellings.

EDIT- It made its way from Ireland to India, hence my last name.


How'd you get the history on your name? I wanna know where "Prosser" came from


Prosser-

This interesting surname is of early medieval Welsh origin, and derives from the English personal name Roger, itself from the Old Germanic "Hrothgar", composed of the elements "hroth", fame, with "gar", spear. In England the name was introduced by the Normans in the form "Rog(i)er". The Welsh sound system originally did not include the sound of "j", or the "g" of Roger; when words containing this sound were borrowed the nearest sound in Welsh was "s" or "si", so that Roger became Roser, usually written Rosser; with the initial "r" giving the aspirate quality. The surname is first recorded in the latter half of the 13th Century (see below), and can also be found as Roger, Roser, and the patronymics Proger and Prosser. Recordings of the surname from London Church Registers include; Richard Rosser who married Susan Avery on December 9th 1630 at St. Dunstan's, Stepney, and Thomas, son of Thomas Rosser, who was christened on March 4th 1631 at St. Giles Cripplegate. One Humphrey Rosser is recorded as living in the parish of St. Michael's in the Barbados prior to his death in June 1678. A Coat of Arms granted to the family is a gold shield, on a black cross formee five gold estoiles, the Crest being an arm embowed and erect from the elbow, habited gold, cuffed ermine, holding in the hand four green leaves. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of John Roser, which was dated 1273, in the "Pipe Rolls of Somerset", during the reign of King Edward 1, known as "The Hammer of the Scots", 1272 - 1307. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.

You're welcome, and that comes from http://www.surnamedb.com/

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

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It does not bother me if the default name is Hawke but I think that _-Greywolf-_ is right the name has a meaning and it is really easy to see it in the artwork

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Even the way he has the sword in his hand is kinda strange and the claw too, it kinda of reminds me of the same thing has Altair with is tunic.


Greywolf Hawke.... thanks for naming my male for me. I did love Howard, but Greywolf is epic.


Ok, I am assuming that you are joking and I misspell something sorry about that, English is not my first language.

Modifié par Mihura, 12 juillet 2010 - 12:28 .


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Mihura wrote...

Ok, I am assuming that you are joking and I misspell something sorry about that, English is no my first language.




No joke, he's actually going to use it. No sarcasm detected. You're good.

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LPPrince wrote...

KproTM wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

History of Mohan-

This famous Irish surname recorded in such diverse spellings as O'Mahon, Mahon, Moan, Moen, Mowne, Mohan, Mohun, Mowen, Maughan and Vaughan, has two possible derivations. The first is from the ancient Gaelic O'Mochain, apparently translating as "the son of the descendant of the early one" a reference to the first chief, whilst the second is of Norman origins, and derives from the "de Mohun" family, who accompanied Strongbow, earl of Pembroke, on his original expedition to Ireland in the year 1169. There are now two separate clans or septs, one in Connacht, the other in Munster, where to add confusion the name is usually spelt Vaughan. In County Galway, the name is most usually spelt as Mahon, although sometimes as Maughan or Mahan. In County Roscommon in the 13th century the clan were "erenaghs" or hereditary lords, responsible for the upkeep of the church and church property in their region. The transmutation of the surname from Mochain or Moghan to Vaughan, a Welsh surname, which arrived in Ireland in its own right before the 15th century, and which occurred particularly in counties Cork, Limerick and Clare, is one of life's little curiosities. The name spelling as Moan, Mowen, etc. is most popular in Ulster. Amongst the early recordings are those of Denis Mahan, the American soldier (1802 - 1871) whose parents emigrated from Ireland in 1802, and his son Alfred, the leading American naval historian (1840 - 1914). The first known recording of the family name is probably that of Gregory O'Moghan, the Archbishop of Tuam, Ireland, who died there in the year 1392. Surnames have continued to "develop" over the centuries, often leading to some amazing variants of the original spellings.

EDIT- It made its way from Ireland to India, hence my last name.


How'd you get the history on your name? I wanna know where "Prosser" came from


Prosser-

This interesting surname is of early medieval Welsh origin, and derives from the English personal name Roger, itself from the Old Germanic "Hrothgar", composed of the elements "hroth", fame, with "gar", spear. In England the name was introduced by the Normans in the form "Rog(i)er". The Welsh sound system originally did not include the sound of "j", or the "g" of Roger; when words containing this sound were borrowed the nearest sound in Welsh was "s" or "si", so that Roger became Roser, usually written Rosser; with the initial "r" giving the aspirate quality. The surname is first recorded in the latter half of the 13th Century (see below), and can also be found as Roger, Roser, and the patronymics Proger and Prosser. Recordings of the surname from London Church Registers include; Richard Rosser who married Susan Avery on December 9th 1630 at St. Dunstan's, Stepney, and Thomas, son of Thomas Rosser, who was christened on March 4th 1631 at St. Giles Cripplegate. One Humphrey Rosser is recorded as living in the parish of St. Michael's in the Barbados prior to his death in June 1678. A Coat of Arms granted to the family is a gold shield, on a black cross formee five gold estoiles, the Crest being an arm embowed and erect from the elbow, habited gold, cuffed ermine, holding in the hand four green leaves. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of John Roser, which was dated 1273, in the "Pipe Rolls of Somerset", during the reign of King Edward 1, known as "The Hammer of the Scots", 1272 - 1307. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.

You're welcome, and that comes from http://www.surnamedb.com/



Cool thanks, "Prosser" is my father's side

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The "predefined character" thing still confuses and disturbs me. I appreciate Ms. Kirby's response, but I don't see how space marine saving the universe is more predefined than fantasy hero saving a continent. We chose Shep's background, gender, appearance, squad, abilities, morality, clothing choice, actions, etc. The whole predefined thing came up, as far as I know, in the "why can't Shep be gay" (very lame) explanation. I wish we could just drop that flimsy response (or have it explained in a way that made sense). I hope we have, if not gay romance options, than the option to be gay in DA2.



As for the "predefinedness" in DA2, I will say I am intrigued. According to the Game Informer article the story as we play it has already happened and is being retold, then the teller would have their own idea of Hawke which may or may not fit with the Hawke we play as we shape the reality from which the tale springs. This could be very cool.

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-- Baldurs gate doesn't have origins and races doesn't effect much your story--

Modifié par munananustaja, 12 juillet 2010 - 12:26 .


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DaySeeker wrote...

The "predefined character" thing still confuses and disturbs me. I appreciate Ms. Kirby's response, but I don't see how space marine saving the universe is more predefined than fantasy hero saving a continent. We chose Shep's background, gender, appearance, squad, abilities, morality, clothing choice, actions, etc. The whole predefined thing came up, as far as I know, in the "why can't Shep be gay" (very lame) explanation. I wish we could just drop that flimsy response (or have it explained in a way that made sense). I hope we have, if not gay romance options, than the option to be gay in DA2.

Just the fact that Shepard's a marine says infinitely more than has been said about Hawke. We know Hawke's last name and that he's human. That's IT. Oh, and that he fled Lothering.

As far as choosing Shep's background, that's exactly it. We chose it from a list of 3 options during character creation. It gets mentioned a couple of times, but that's all. It doesn't affect gameplay in any meaningful way that he was the Lone Survivor or the War Hero or the street thief one (whatever it was called). In DA2, Hawke's pretty much a blank slate. We don't choose his personality from a list, we LIVE it out.

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SirOccam wrote...

DaySeeker wrote...

The "predefined character" thing still confuses and disturbs me. I appreciate Ms. Kirby's response, but I don't see how space marine saving the universe is more predefined than fantasy hero saving a continent. We chose Shep's background, gender, appearance, squad, abilities, morality, clothing choice, actions, etc. The whole predefined thing came up, as far as I know, in the "why can't Shep be gay" (very lame) explanation. I wish we could just drop that flimsy response (or have it explained in a way that made sense). I hope we have, if not gay romance options, than the option to be gay in DA2.

Just the fact that Shepard's a marine says infinitely more than has been said about Hawke. We know Hawke's last name and that he's human. That's IT. Oh, and that he fled Lothering.

As far as choosing Shep's background, that's exactly it. We chose it from a list of 3 options during character creation. It gets mentioned a couple of times, but that's all. It doesn't affect gameplay in any meaningful way that he was the Lone Survivor or the War Hero or the street thief one (whatever it was called). In DA2, Hawke's pretty much a blank slate. We don't choose his personality from a list, we LIVE it out.


In Mass Effect, you choose background and history-

Spacer/Colonist/Earthborn

and then

War Hero/Sole Survivor/Ruthless

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SirOccam wrote...

DaySeeker wrote...

The "predefined character" thing still confuses and disturbs me. I appreciate Ms. Kirby's response, but I don't see how space marine saving the universe is more predefined than fantasy hero saving a continent. We chose Shep's background, gender, appearance, squad, abilities, morality, clothing choice, actions, etc. The whole predefined thing came up, as far as I know, in the "why can't Shep be gay" (very lame) explanation. I wish we could just drop that flimsy response (or have it explained in a way that made sense). I hope we have, if not gay romance options, than the option to be gay in DA2.

Just the fact that Shepard's a marine says infinitely more than has been said about Hawke. We know Hawke's last name and that he's human. That's IT. Oh, and that he fled Lothering.

As far as choosing Shep's background, that's exactly it. We chose it from a list of 3 options during character creation. It gets mentioned a couple of times, but that's all. It doesn't affect gameplay in any meaningful way that he was the Lone Survivor or the War Hero or the street thief one (whatever it was called). In DA2, Hawke's pretty much a blank slate. We don't choose his personality from a list, we LIVE it out.


I am wondering how the classes will work more specifically the mage, will we get a backstory as to how he became a mage or will Hawke's class be decided over his adventure and no matter what class he chooses he always had magic potential?

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edited to delete daughter's comment.  Apparently I need to be more careful about leaving my computer unlocked.

Modifié par Hadea, 12 juillet 2010 - 02:04 .


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LPPrince wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

DaySeeker wrote...

The "predefined character" thing still confuses and disturbs me. I appreciate Ms. Kirby's response, but I don't see how space marine saving the universe is more predefined than fantasy hero saving a continent. We chose Shep's background, gender, appearance, squad, abilities, morality, clothing choice, actions, etc. The whole predefined thing came up, as far as I know, in the "why can't Shep be gay" (very lame) explanation. I wish we could just drop that flimsy response (or have it explained in a way that made sense). I hope we have, if not gay romance options, than the option to be gay in DA2.

Just the fact that Shepard's a marine says infinitely more than has been said about Hawke. We know Hawke's last name and that he's human. That's IT. Oh, and that he fled Lothering.

As far as choosing Shep's background, that's exactly it. We chose it from a list of 3 options during character creation. It gets mentioned a couple of times, but that's all. It doesn't affect gameplay in any meaningful way that he was the Lone Survivor or the War Hero or the street thief one (whatever it was called). In DA2, Hawke's pretty much a blank slate. We don't choose his personality from a list, we LIVE it out.


In Mass Effect, you choose background and history-

Spacer/Colonist/Earthborn

and then

War Hero/Sole Survivor/Ruthless


Speaking of the pre-defined-so-not-gay thing and Shep's variety of origins, I pointed out aaaages ago on the ME2 board that if you do the math Shep has more background options than the Warden.
Warden = 7 backgrounds.
Shep = 9 backgrounds.

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This is coming in a bit late, but...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Dragon Age had an
option to mute dialogue I'm sure DA2 will also.


I would place money on this not being true.  For starters, we're selecting lines with a dialogue wheel, not fully written sentences.  There will also probably be a number of moments where Hawke talks without us directly selecting something.  Say, like in the middle of an argument or long speech.