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[InvaderErl]

Don't get me wrong, I've been enjoying our discussion you don't need to qualify your opinion.

IoCaster wrote...

The EA financial report numbers are what we've got for ME2. They reported 1.6 million sold through to consumers of an initial shipment of 2 million. If you've got more recent numbers then share them. Just claiming that we don't have better data doesn't get you anything. You can make believe that ME2 sold 3, 5 or 10 million if you want to but without producing some evidence it's meaningless.

PC retail sales were not included in those numbers and PC digitial sales were left out as well - which as the article pointed out could reflect nearly FIFTY percent.

Just pointing out that the data means the NPD numbers posted there are not a accurate reflection of the total sales, that's all - plain and simple.

IoCaster wrote...

Outside of financial report and NPD data, shipped numbers are what we get. These games are heavily front loaded with their sales. They're off the charts within the first couple of months. That means that sales slow to a trickle after the initial rush. If they were sustaining strong sales they would still be charting. Are you implying that ME2 is still selling strong and that a second shipment has gone out? If you are then give us something to work with. Some sales information from a reputable source would be nice.

I don't have any such data because there's no info past March - nor did I make such a claim.

What I am saying however is you started this debate along the lines of what Mass Effect 2 actually SOLD, as in how many people actually BROUGHT it - and in that it peformed very similarily to Fallout 3.

IoCaster wrote...
Give us something to work with if you'd like to make a convincing argument that ME2 has sold through it's initial shipment of 2 million and is sustaining strong sales to date.

Again, I've made no such claim.

I am saying that the numbers stop 3 months into Mass Effect 2's life cycle and we have nothing for the following 3 (about to go on 4) which is true.

IoCaster wrote...
As far as Fallout 3 is concerned it is basically irrelevant to this discussion about ME2 sales. They're completely different games and in any case Fallout 3 shipped 4.7 million worldwide. That's a heck of a lot more of an initial shipment than 2 million. Are you accusing Bethesda of colluding with retailers to stuff the channel with an excessive number of copies of Fallout 3? For what purpose? Shelf space at retailers for video games is extremely limited. The retailers are very cautious about overestimating demand. Do you have proof that ME2 has outsold Fallout 3? If you've got it, share it. Otherwise, what's your point? Just in case you're interested, according to ELSPA, Fallout 3 has earned a platinum award for selling better than 300K in the UK. That's ~100K better than ME and ~200K better than ME2 to date.

I'm saying no such thing.

I'm saying that whatever they shipped it sold a number roughly equal to what Mass Effect 2 sold in a similar time frame.

Again, that is a fact.

IoCaster wrote...


That's what we've got to work with and unless ME2 demand has suddenly spiked recently the trend has been established. Again I ask you to provide some numbers to work with if you've got some proof that ME2 has recently surged in sales. From all available information that I've been able to dig up ME2 is selling at or slightly below the rate that ME did. I know that quite a few people on this forum like to believe that ME2 sold like gangbusters, but the data doesn't seem to back that up. I'd be perfectly happy to find out that it actually did set the charts on fire because, regardless of my dissatisfaction with the story/plot, I do think that it's a great game.

I would imagine continued DLC support runs a good chance that ME2 is holding better than its predecessor did, but that is purely speculation on my part.

Again without numbers past the first 3 months its difficult to make a determination.

The Dragon Age 3 million figure only was released SIX months after release. I recall a lot of people with early and incomplete numbers foretelling doom in that situation as well.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 25 juillet 2010 - 07:01 .

[IoCaster]

InvaderErl wrote...

PC retail sales were not included in those numbers and PC digitial sales were left out as well - which as the article pointed out could reflect nearly FIFTY percent.

Just pointing out that the data means the NPD numbers posted there are not a accurate reflection of the total sales, that's all - plain and simple.

That's precisely why I prefer to rely on the EA numbers. As far as I can tell, they're the most recent and take into account all of the methods of distribution. The NPD numbers are useful for console sales and they do produce a weekly PC chart, but unfortunately it's not usually made public. The only other numbers that we get with any regularity are the Famitsu/Media Create Japanese sales figures and the GFK Chart-Track sales rankings from the UK. We hardly ever get hard numbers from the rest of the EU market. They just have sales rank information on their charts.

InvaderErl wrote...
I don't have any such data because there's no info past March - nor did I make such a claim.

What I am saying however is you started this debate along the lines of what Mass Effect 2 actually SOLD, as in how many people actually BROUGHT it - and in that it peformed very similarily to Fallout 3.

I understand that you didn't claim to have the data but I have to rely on actual information to at least semi-accurately determine the current level of sales for ME2. I'm most interested in those sales because I believe that BioWare designed the game to appeal to a broader market and I'm trying to gauge the level of their success. As I stated I would prefer that they sell a zillion copies because I want them to keep making great games. I'm a fan even though I wish that they had done a better job with the writing in ME2.

InvaderErl wrote...
Again, I've made no such claim.

I am saying that the numbers stop 3 months into Mass Effect 2's life cycle and we have nothing for the following 3 (about to go on 4) which is true.

We should be getting the EA 1st quarter numbers in early August. Hopefully they'll include some more ME2 sales data.

InvaderErl wrote...
I'm saying no such thing.

I'm saying that whatever they shipped it sold a number roughly equal to what Mass Effect 2 sold in a similar time frame.

Again, that is a fact.

I didn't introduce Fallout 3 into the discussion and I never bothered to track it's sales. As you stated the NPD numbers don't give us the full picture and I believe Bethesda games are popular in Europe. That may account for the much larger initial worldwide shipment numbers. It's not of particular interest to me and some games maintain a higher level of sales over time anyway. Maybe ME2 will be a slow burn type of title and we'll get some impressive numbers next month.

InvaderErl wrote...
I would imagine continued DLC support runs a good chance that ME2 is holding better than its predecessor did, but that is purely speculation on my part.

Again without numbers past the first 3 months its difficult to make a determination.

The Dragon Age 3 million figure only was released SIX months after release. I recall a lot of people with early and incomplete numbers foretelling doom in that situation as well.

Time will tell but I can only work with the data available. DLC might have an effect on sales but that's yet to be determined. As far as DA:O is concerned I think the audience for the game doesn't completely overlap with the ME2 crowd. The diehard RPG fan that's been longing for an old school BGII successor wouldn't necessarily be attracted to a hybrid, console oriented space shooter with light RPG elements. I'm a bit leery of it's utility as a useful comparison in regard to sales data. *shrug*

[foolish replica]

mrsph wrote...

It's the game's official forum. That means that everyone here hates Bioware and everything Bioware does.

this, this is the f**king modus operrandi of ALMOST EVERY official forum i've ever been to. it's an insane love/hate
relationship that shades more towards hate at about three months out from release, it's f**king nuts.

edit: sorry for quoting such an old post, it's truth was too overwhelming to leave alone.

Modifié par foolish replica, 28 juillet 2010 - 12:24 .

[Falcon509]

mrsph wrote...

It's the game's official forum. That means that everyone here hates Bioware and everything Bioware does.

qtfo

[glacier1701]

We dont HATE the game as such. The gameplay is good though not perfect. However the story is the issue and not up to the usual BioWare standards. Thats where those of us posting here see the problem and it is an issue that goes back to at least the time when we got the first hints of what was going to be in ME2. If that is not enough then game reviewers are also, now that we are so far from release, beginning to point out the flaws with the game such as here . So GOTY? Well does seem to be less likely and that is perhaps the best thing that can happen. It would be a wake up call.

[Il Divo]

glacier1701 wrote...


We dont HATE the game as such. The gameplay is good though not perfect. However the story is the issue and not up to the usual BioWare standards. Thats where those of us posting here see the problem and it is an issue that goes back to at least the time when we got the first hints of what was going to be in ME2. If that is not enough then game reviewers are also, now that we are so far from release, beginning to point out the flaws with the game such as here . So GOTY? Well does seem to be less likely and that is perhaps the best thing that can happen. It would be a wake up call.

But the only complaint that reviewer even had was the inventory, or lack of one. This is completely separate from the plot-oriented criticisms. He even said that the game's pacing of combat/dialogue was perfect and they all did conclude that it's a game of the year contender.