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[InvaderErl]

Shandepared wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

While I can understand disappointment in the lack of expansion and disconnection of some of the concepts introduced in ME1, for all we know, ME3 will have an even greater connection to the story elements of ME2 than it does ME1. Won't really know until details of the plot are leaked.

It is my humble opinion that such an occurance would make for a lousy trilogy.

Isn't that what's happening with the Batman movies right now?

And people seem to be whipped up into a frenzy of excitement over that one.

[Pacifien]

Shandepared wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
While I can understand disappointment in the lack of expansion and disconnection of some of the concepts introduced in ME1, for all we know, ME3 will have an even greater connection to the story elements of ME2 than it does ME1. Won't really know until details of the plot are leaked.

It is my humble opinion that such an occurance would make for a lousy trilogy.

Well, name a great trilogy.

[InvaderErl]

Toy Story!

[MadInfiltrator]

InvaderErl wrote...

Toy Story!

Word.

[smudboy]

MadInfiltrator wrote...

smudboy wrote...

MadInfiltrator wrote...
Respect it's trying to fit into the role of the second installment. It's being what's best for the trilogy. And it was awesome anyway. I think we should leave this though, we obviously don't agree.

Well you want us to respect something.  Now all you're saying is that because ME2 has a "2", and that a 3rd is coming, we should respect it?  Could you give us better, actual reasons please?  Cause I'm not sure whether I should be respecting ME2, or your idea of what a "2" in a trilogy should be of (and whether ME2 was successful at that.)

No, what I'm saying is that a lot of people are mad it's not the same style of story telling as the first, and that is just a failure on Bioware's part, while they are trying to make it a different way, and that you should be able to look at it that way. If you just hate everything about it, then this is not meant for you. Dick.

I never caught that a lot of people are mad that the style of storytelling is different than the first.  I think people voice concerns at the continuation of the story itself.

Now I'm confused: what style of ME2 should I be looking at?

As I've stated before, I do not hate the plot in ME2: "I cannot hate what isn't there."

[InvaderErl]

MadInfiltrator wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Toy Story!

Word.

To be fair, that's like the only good one I can think of.

[smudboy]

InvaderErl wrote...

smudboy wrote...

Well you want us to respect something. 

No, he said -

MadInfiltrator wrote...

If you just hated the
Human-Reaper, and you thought the story was just stupid, that there is
no substance, I won;t argue with you, because sometimes people just
don't like things.

But to those who don;t like the direction, but
liked the plot, just have a little more respect for it's role in the
trilogy.

Since you do not fall in the latter hasn't he already made a conceit for your point of view? He's hardly demanding you cowtow to his point of view.

I'm not implying I fall into any category at all.  I'm merely asking what such people need to "have a little more respect for."  I think he wants us/those to have more respect for ME2 being the 2nd installment, and that 2nd installments do something else (or what normal stories do?)

[MadInfiltrator]

smudboy wrote...

MadInfiltrator wrote...

smudboy wrote...

MadInfiltrator wrote...
Respect it's trying to fit into the role of the second installment. It's being what's best for the trilogy. And it was awesome anyway. I think we should leave this though, we obviously don't agree.

Well you want us to respect something.  Now all you're saying is that because ME2 has a "2", and that a 3rd is coming, we should respect it?  Could you give us better, actual reasons please?  Cause I'm not sure whether I should be respecting ME2, or your idea of what a "2" in a trilogy should be of (and whether ME2 was successful at that.)

No, what I'm saying is that a lot of people are mad it's not the same style of story telling as the first, and that is just a failure on Bioware's part, while they are trying to make it a different way, and that you should be able to look at it that way. If you just hate everything about it, then this is not meant for you. Dick.

I never caught that a lot of people are mad that the style of storytelling is different than the first.  I think people voice concerns at the continuation of the story itself.

Now I'm confused: what style of ME2 should I be looking at?

As I've stated before, I do not hate the plot in ME2: "I cannot hate what isn't there."

If you are upset the plot of ME2 is not the same style of ME1, then try to see it is different o purpose.
If you do not think there is a plot, I can't  give you any thoughts that I might think would help. 

[InvaderErl]

Shandepared wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Well, name a great trilogy.

The original Star Wars trilogy.

Return of the Jedi.

[smudboy]

3mi wrote...

smudboy, I just happened across your 'debunking' vid on YouTube, and considering you have such massive issues with the game that some sound reasoning can't change, I wonder why you're still here discussing it. Everytime a thread like this comes up, just link your 6-part video and leave it at that. IMO you make the tone of the discussion quite aggressive - how dare anyone criticise or disagree with you. But, I won't carry on talking in this vein after this post; I just wanted to put that out there. Consider the matter dropped, on my part.

OT: As my earlier post said, I have no issues with the plot. I loved the additional character depth and relationships available, and the whole game had a more "emotionally deeper" feeling to me.

I anxiously await your, or others, sound reasoning.

What I'm discussing, or trying to determine, isn't about content, but what one person wishes others to respect more.  I am merely asking him to clarify what he actually wants such people to do.

[Pacifien]

Shandepared wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
Well, name a great trilogy.

The original Star Wars trilogy.

Goddammit, I knew that was going to be your answer, if you deemed to answer at all, the second I asked.

[Ooga600]

MadInfiltrator wrote...

Soverign 666 wrote...

I agree I also feel that people have nothing better to do on these forums so they try and think up plot holes for the sake of a disscussion not that theres anything wrong with that otherwise these forums would be dead

Word. I think a lot of people are upset that questions were unanswered, and they accuse these of being plot holes. Yes there are things left unsaid, but it's for a reason. It's not a plot hole.

It's like they think that there isn't going to be a sequel.

[InvaderErl]

Back to the Future 3 sucked.

[Pacifien]

InvaderErl wrote...
Return of the Jedi.

One of my longest usenet posts ever was an attempt to make Return of the Jedi a good movie. Since it was a collaborative effort, it inevitably failed because I thought a second Death Star was completely stupid, but my cohorts disagreed.

[smudboy]

MadInfiltrator wrote...
If you are upset the plot of ME2 is not the same style of ME1, then try to see it is different o purpose.
If you do not think there is a plot, I can't  give you any thoughts that I might think would help. 

I am not upset the plot of ME2 is not the same style of ME1.  In fact I'm not even sure what that means.

Well surely you believe there is a plot, yes?

In any event, I'm responding to this:
"But to those who don;t like the direction, but liked the plot, just have a little more respect for it's role in the trilogy."  I simply wanted to know what exactly you meant by "more respect for it's role in the trilogy."  I would greatly like to know what ME2's role is in the trilogy.  I think it's about your opinion that 2's in trilogies focus on character development?

[Pacifien]

Shandepared wrote...
Back to the Future.

You liked the second movie?

[InvaderErl]

Pacifien wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...
Return of the Jedi.

One of my longest usenet posts ever was an attempt to make Return of the Jedi a good movie. Since it was a collaborative effort, it inevitably failed because I thought a second Death Star was completely stupid, but my cohorts disagreed.

I loved when Robot Chicken spoofed how that came about.

[theelementslayer]

Honestly I loved the second game, perhaps even more then the first, and I thought that the plot did a very good job of filling in the second part of the trilogy. If you look at the common trilogy outline it follows it beautifully.

Part 1-Establish threat-this was the arriving of the reapers
Part 2-Prepare for the threat-Getting your team together
Part 3-Fight the threat-This will be the final showdown with the reapers

Lord of the rings did this, the original 3 starwars did. The backplot in the second with the collectors was a bit of a filler to keep you on your toes between recruiting people because that is what the whole second was about. It was a character driven story rather then an event driven story. I dont want to say plot driven because they were both great plots. This one was just structured a touch different and it worked very well in my opinion.

As for all those "poltholes" that people keep bringing up, maybe they are meant to be left out, its only the second game and if we knew everything about the reapers by now well it would be a very boring third game. Plus a reason that the Collectors weren't mentioned in the first game, pure speculation, but maybe it was because we aren't in council space anymore and now we are in the terminus systems where the collectors do there abducting, but as the Illusive man said, I think it was TIM, the collectors usually work through intermediaries, and not show up themselves.

Just as a endnote, I loved the last mission on ME2 way better then ME1. ME1 you only had 2 of your guys with you the entire time, ME2 on the first playthrough my men were dying and I really didnt know why, or how to save them and I was worried that I wouldn't get out of it alive. The tactics, the unknown world it was just polished beautifully and thought about a lot.

[Pacifien]

smudboy wrote...
I would greatly like to know what ME2's role is in the trilogy.*snip*

That's probably a good discussion to have when ME3 comes out.

[InvaderErl]

Pacifien wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
Back to the Future.

You liked the second movie?

I kind of did too, but I hate the 3rd one.

[Onyx Jaguar]

inb4 someone calls LOTR a trilogy because its not