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[InvaderErl]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

inb4 someone calls LOTR a trilogy because its not

Do tell.

[Onyx Jaguar]

InvaderErl wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

inb4 someone calls LOTR a trilogy because its not

Do tell.

The Lord of the Rings was written as one book.  It was split up into three because it was too damn long, for sales purposes really.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Marathon Trilogy kills Mass Effect

[InvaderErl]

Shandepared wrote...


As I've said this is problem with ME2. It doesn't do anything to expand Shepard's character for his goal of stopping the Reapers. By the end of the game we've learned nothing useful and Shepard hasn't grown at all.

This is more of a issue with a fixed and voiced protagonist for 3 games methinks than any fault of Mass Effect's.

I mean past the first act of ME1 Shepard's motivations don't grow either. He wants to kill the Reapers and that's it. That's all its ever been.

[InvaderErl]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

inb4 someone calls LOTR a trilogy because its not

Do tell.

The Lord of the Rings was written as one book.  It was split up into three because it was too damn long, for sales purposes really.

Oh God.

Okay, fine. You're going all super smart on us.

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Marathon Trilogy kills Mass
Effect

Dude....


YES!

**** Halo, I'm still waiting for Marathon 4.

[Onyx Jaguar]

ME in a nutshell



Shepard: "I don't know what the Reapers are, but I sure want to kill them"

[Pacifien]

Shandepared wrote...
As I've said this is problem with ME2. It doesn't do anything to expand Shepard's character for his goal of stopping the Reapers. By the end of the game we've learned nothing useful and Shepard hasn't grown at all.

I always figured Shepard was devoid of any character beyond what the player injected into it.

[InvaderErl]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

ME in a nutshell

Shepard: "I don't know what the Reapers are, but I sure want to kill them"

Finally, a philosophy that makes sense.

[smudboy]

theelementslayer wrote...

Part 1-Establish threat-this was the arriving of the reapers
Part 2-Prepare for the threat-Getting your team together
Part 3-Fight the threat-This will be the final showdown with the reapers

Though I've much to reply, this is interesting, as I've a similar idea in regards to how to plan out a "stop the bad guys" scenario over 3 episodes:
1. Establish threat
2. Learn about stopping threat
3. Stop threat

Now if our threat is a contemporary, military one, like another military, called "Reapers", this seems practical.  But they're eternal AI Cyber Cthulhu of unknown number, origin, locale, etc.  Getting a team together doesn't seem like proper preparations.

ME2 established the bad guys procreate by harvesting people, and sometimes they take people and make them slaves, so I don't know how getting a team of soldiers together was a successful installment of "preparing for the threat."  There seems to be a lot more intel gathering required in order to stop them.

[theelementslayer]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

inb4 someone calls LOTR a trilogy because its not

Do tell.

The Lord of the Rings was written as one book.  It was split up into three because it was too damn long, for sales purposes really.

Ummmmm and where is the proof of this, as I remember there is 4 books in the series however The Hobbit, a prequel to the three that are usually thought of as the trilogy, and as for them splitting them up I think Tolkien did write them as a trilogy because they do follow the exact outline of one.

First book-Establish the threat-The ring, the orcs, ect
Second book-Prepare for the threat-Sure the fellowship is broken but Gandalf sets off to ask for help from the white wizard, damn I forget his name. Rohan is introduced to fight for man, the elves come in full force to defend helms deep ect,
Third book-Deal with the threat-They hold at Minas TIrath (sp?) and then at the black gates and destory the ring. Pretty nicely diced up.

[InvaderErl]

smudboy wrote...

ME2 established the bad guys procreate by harvesting people, and sometimes they take people and make them slaves, so I don't know how getting a team of soldiers together was a successful installment of "preparing for the threat."  There seems to be a lot more intel gathering required in order to stop them.

Actually, doesn't the datapad at the end indicate they've now got intel on the Reapers thanks to EDI.

[Pacifien]

Shandepared wrote...
*snip*
Empire worked because it expanded on Vader, Luke, the Force, and the hurdle faced by Luke Skywalker. Vader wasn't merely some evil nemesis he'd have to fight, Vader was... well you know who he was.

I just remembered how ill-received Empire was when it first came out.

[smudboy]

Pacifien wrote...

smudboy wrote...
I would greatly like to know what ME2's role is in the trilogy.*snip*

That's probably a good discussion to have when ME3 comes out.

Well I don't see why we can't analyze that now.

In any event, MadInfiltrator seems to know, and he wants us to respect ME2 more because of it.  I'm just not sure how or over what.

[InvaderErl]

Pacifien wrote...

Shandepared wrote...
*snip*
Empire worked because it expanded on Vader, Luke, the Force, and the hurdle faced by Luke Skywalker. Vader wasn't merely some evil nemesis he'd have to fight, Vader was... well you know who he was.

I just remembered how ill-received Empire was when it first came out.

From WIKI
Some critics had problems with the story of The Empire Strikes Back, but they admitted that this film is a great technological achievement in filmmaking. For example, VincentCanby of The New York Times wrote a largely negative review.[31] Judith Martin of The Washington Post complained of the film's plot in the "middle-of-the-story", which featured no particular beginning or end, in her opinion.[32] However, this was a process in story-telling that Mr. Lucas had done intentionally.[20]

Modifié par InvaderErl, 12 juillet 2010 - 02:58 .

[smudboy]

InvaderErl wrote...

smudboy wrote...

ME2 established the bad guys procreate by harvesting people, and sometimes they take people and make them slaves, so I don't know how getting a team of soldiers together was a successful installment of "preparing for the threat."  There seems to be a lot more intel gathering required in order to stop them.

Actually, doesn't the datapad at the end indicate they've now got intel on the Reapers thanks to EDI.

It indicates we have 4 pictures of what looks like a Reaper, yes.

[Whereto]

In truth i think it could of been done better but it did its job, me1 was new and fresh so every thing was a surprise where as me2 wasn't so much. You all should just be thankful you didnt get a mw2 sort of squeal...

[Pacifien]

theelementslayer wrote...
*snip*
Ummmmm and where is the proof of this, as I remember there is 4 books in the series however The Hobbit, a prequel to the three that are usually thought of as the trilogy, and as for them splitting them up I think Tolkien did write them as a trilogy because they do follow the exact outline of one.

Tolkien wrote Lord of the Rings as one book and submitted it to the publisher as one book. Doesn't mean the book doesn't cover the usual elements of rising action, climax, falling action, denouement and all that jazz.

[Onyx Jaguar]

theelementslayer wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

inb4 someone calls LOTR a trilogy because its not

Do tell.

The Lord of the Rings was written as one book.  It was split up into three because it was too damn long, for sales purposes really.

Ummmmm and where is the proof of this, as I remember there is 4 books in the series however The Hobbit, a prequel to the three that are usually thought of as the trilogy, and as for them splitting them up I think Tolkien did write them as a trilogy because they do follow the exact outline of one.

First book-Establish the threat-The ring, the orcs, ect
Second book-Prepare for the threat-Sure the fellowship is broken but Gandalf sets off to ask for help from the white wizard, damn I forget his name. Rohan is introduced to fight for man, the elves come in full force to defend helms deep ect,
Third book-Deal with the threat-They hold at Minas TIrath (sp?) and then at the black gates and destory the ring. Pretty nicely diced up.

I read it on research on Tolkein when I read the Two Towers back in high school, about the only resource you would need to look at nowadays would be the author, the book LOTR and "Trilogy" on Wikipedia.  And any releated resources to the author.

It was written as one story.

A trilogy "should" be three independent but related stories.   IE Complete tales.  LOTR is three parts of an incomplete tale.  It is the sequel to the Hobbit.  

[theelementslayer]

smudboy wrote...

theelementslayer wrote...

Part 1-Establish threat-this was the arriving of the reapers
Part 2-Prepare for the threat-Getting your team together
Part 3-Fight the threat-This will be the final showdown with the reapers

Though I've much to reply, this is interesting, as I've a similar idea in regards to how to plan out a "stop the bad guys" scenario over 3 episodes:
1. Establish threat
2. Learn about stopping threat
3. Stop threat

Now if our threat is a contemporary, military one, like another military, called "Reapers", this seems practical.  But they're eternal AI Cyber Cthulhu of unknown number, origin, locale, etc.  Getting a team together doesn't seem like proper preparations.

ME2 established the bad guys procreate by harvesting people, and sometimes they take people and make them slaves, so I don't know how getting a team of soldiers together was a successful installment of "preparing for the threat."  There seems to be a lot more intel gathering required in order to stop them.

Well I never really thought of shepard as an intelligence officer, more thought of her as a spec ops soldier so really wouldnt take part in all that intellegince gathering, but that is speculation. However when they did get the intel I do think that they want a great team to take it on, whatever the threat. Sheps team is diverse enough to deal with really anything, and I think that was the point of getting all those people, kinda like TIM eluded to. (dont know if that the right word for it but it sounds cool )

[InvaderErl]

smudboy wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

smudboy wrote...

ME2 established the bad guys procreate by harvesting people, and sometimes they take people and make them slaves, so I don't know how getting a team of soldiers together was a successful installment of "preparing for the threat."  There seems to be a lot more intel gathering required in order to stop them.

Actually, doesn't the datapad at the end indicate they've now got intel on the Reapers thanks to EDI.

It indicates we have 4 pictures of what looks like a Reaper, yes.

So yes then. Thanks.

[MadInfiltrator]

smudboy wrote...

MadInfiltrator wrote...
If you are upset the plot of ME2 is not the same style of ME1, then try to see it is different o purpose.
If you do not think there is a plot, I can't  give you any thoughts that I might think would help. 

I am not upset the plot of ME2 is not the same style of ME1.  In fact I'm not even sure what that means.

Well surely you believe there is a plot, yes?

In any event, I'm responding to this:
"But to those who don;t like the direction, but liked the plot, just have a little more respect for it's role in the trilogy."  I simply wanted to know what exactly you meant by "more respect for it's role in the trilogy."  I would greatly like to know what ME2's role is in the trilogy.  I think it's about your opinion that 2's in trilogies focus on character development?

I just said it. Some people were upset that the plot is presented differently in the second, as compared to the first. To these people, I say, it is different on purpose. It is supposed to be a more typical second entry in a trilogy. Try to see that if that is your problem with the story.

At this point, I have answered you too many times, I won't take more space. We can't agree with each other.

[MadInfiltrator]

And Indiana Jones is a good trilogy, but totally disconnected.

Modifié par MadInfiltrator, 12 juillet 2010 - 03:02 .

[Chuvvy]

There wasn't enough focus on story. It was mostly recruitment missions and Loyalty missions. ME1 was all story missions. That's the reason I think ME1's story is better.