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[Onyx Jaguar]

Its hard to blame them, apparently you control the Hammerhead by using the mouse LOL

[Davasar]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Lies

MW2 has probably the same amount of complaints since the mp is a glitch fest and they neglected the story.

Happens to all sequels and the more things stay the same the more MEGA MAN

Glitches are in every game.  Since we are taking about complaints based off what a game is, rather then what bugs it has, that argument is null and void.

Since is got about $1 Billion in sales I would say the complaints were few.


MEGA MAN....

Air Man...I really hate you...

Modifié par Davasar, 13 juillet 2010 - 08:55 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

and ME 2 has sold quite a bit your opinion is invalid gif



Now you need to pay me the entry fee to face the next assassin

[Davasar]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

and ME 2 has sold quite a bit your opinion is invalid gif

Now you need to pay me the entry fee to face the next assassin

1.6 million units for ME2...3.2 for DAO....

hmm...comparisons...


MEGA MAN...

I still hate Air Man...

[Onyx Jaguar]

Where are these numbers coming from?


THIN AIR

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 13 juillet 2010 - 08:58 .

[Davasar]

Eh, thread is around here somewhere, but I am too lazy to go find it...go for it.

[AlanC9]

And of course DA was on more platforms.



I'm awfully confused by the conspiracy theories floating around. Is EA supposed to be greedy, or clueless, or both simultaneously? In order to make more money, EA is said to be forcing Bio to modify a popular game to be more like a less-popular game. I'm having a tough time visualizing that meeting.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I wouldn't trust a thread. I only trust actual data. There is an IGN article that says DA:O has sold 3.2 across all platforms however just in NPD and if you trust them Videocharts or whatever its called does not support that information. However they both do not track PC or digital sales. No one tracks digital sales. Given only the hard knowledge of some retailers as NPD doesn't take into account Target or Wall Mart there is not enough to go on that DA:O was more successful than ME 2 is outside of perhaps a large PC bias or the fact that it was released a few months before ME 2 and has a head start.

[Solid N7]

Davasar wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

and ME 2 has sold quite a bit your opinion is invalid gif

Now you need to pay me the entry fee to face the next assassin

1.6 million units for ME2...3.2 for DAO....

hmm...comparisons...


MEGA MAN...

I still hate Air Man...

hahaha

DA:O    PC, 360, ps3
ME2    PC and 360

[Davasar]

AlanC9 wrote...

And of course DA was on more platforms.

I'm awfully confused by the conspiracy theories floating around. Is EA supposed to be greedy, or clueless, or both simultaneously? In order to make more money, EA is said to be forcing Bio to modify a popular game to be more like a less-popular game. I'm having a tough time visualizing that meeting.

I am not asking this question to be a jerk:  but have you ever had a corporate style boss that is an a**hole?

This is the very kind of thing they demand, fast results at the expense of all else.

[Onyx Jaguar]

You can't demand results in the area of gaming or else you end up with unplayable and buggy ass games. Look at KOTOR 2, it was hurt more than it was helped by the moving of hte deadline. Same for ME1, that game came out most likely because EA purchased Bioware and MS had to get it out of the door. This was not the case with ME 2 or DA:O

[Solid N7]

Davasar wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

And of course DA was on more platforms.

I'm awfully confused by the conspiracy theories floating around. Is EA supposed to be greedy, or clueless, or both simultaneously? In order to make more money, EA is said to be forcing Bio to modify a popular game to be more like a less-popular game. I'm having a tough time visualizing that meeting.

I am not asking this question to be a jerk:  but have you ever had a corporate style boss that is an a**hole?

This is the very kind of thing they demand, fast results at the expense of all else.

Davasar understand that the people that don´t like mass effect 2 and new changes of DA 2 are the PC gamers (not all the PC gamers, only the otakus with this crazy obsession about the roleplaying)

[Davasar]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

You can't demand results in the area of gaming or else you end up with unplayable and buggy ass games. Look at KOTOR 2, it was hurt more than it was helped by the moving of hte deadline. Same for ME1, that game came out most likely because EA purchased Bioware and MS had to get it out of the door. This was not the case with ME 2 or DA:O

Your KOTOR 2 example, think of how bad it would have been had they not given it more time.  Probably toally unplayable.  Taking more time to perfect mistakes in a game gets rid of bugs, it doesnt add to them.

And yet we've all seen crappy games because of the demands of the bosses.  Games that are:  dumbed down, striped down, made easier, loss of content.

We've all seen this happen, and it happens usually because things are being rushed.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Your KOTOR 2 example, think of how bad it would have been had they not given it more time. Probably toally unplayable. Taking more time to perfect mistakes in a game gets rid of bugs, it doesnt add to them.

This makes zero sense

[Onyx Jaguar]

KOTOR 2 was buggy and unfinished because it had a rushed deadline. A rushed deadline almost always leads to buggy **** in the world of game making.

[Davasar]

Solid N7 wrote...

Davasar wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

And of course DA was on more platforms.

I'm awfully confused by the conspiracy theories floating around. Is EA supposed to be greedy, or clueless, or both simultaneously? In order to make more money, EA is said to be forcing Bio to modify a popular game to be more like a less-popular game. I'm having a tough time visualizing that meeting.

I am not asking this question to be a jerk:  but have you ever had a corporate style boss that is an a**hole?

This is the very kind of thing they demand, fast results at the expense of all else.

Davasar understand that the people that don´t like mass effect 2 and new changes of DA 2 are the PC gamers (not all the PC gamers, only the otakus with this crazy obsession about the roleplaying)

Hey, I am sure that for the audience it was meant for ME2 is a good game.  It just isnt me (and many others) they targeted that game to. 

DAO was targeted to me and the folks that enjoy that type of game. 

But with the change, we are not part of that target audience anymore.  Thats why people fell mad/betrayed.  Because they were loyal fans and got tossed by the wayside

[Solid N7]

kotor 2 was developed by obsidian

[Davasar]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

KOTOR 2 was buggy and unfinished because it had a rushed deadline. A rushed deadline almost always leads to buggy **** in the world of game making.

Ah, I thought you meant they moved the deadline back, not forward.  My mistake.

Then we are in agreement.

Rushing a game makes it have less value.

So, in making DA2, it seems to have been rushed by EA.  So it is missing key elements that made DAO successful.  Why alienate your loyal fans from a successful franchise?

Only one logical explanation:  they were ordered to due to "time constraints"

Modifié par Davasar, 13 juillet 2010 - 09:23 .

[joriandrake]

Solid N7 wrote...

kotor 2 was developed by obsidian

and butchered by Lucasarts

[Davasar]

Solid N7 wrote...

kotor 2 was developed by obsidian

Ah ok.  But the point is that rushed games are worse rather then better

[SirGladiator]

Perhaps in certain regards they look at ME2 as their 'cutting edge' game that DA2 should be modelled after, and while its true that DAO was far more successful than ME2 there's no doubt that that some higher-ups in Bioware could still look at ME2 as the model simply because their graphics were clearly superior, and because it generally got higher review scores from the media as a result. Naturally when you take that too far, and start seriously modelling your more popular game after your less popular one, that probably won't go well, so hopefully they'll keep that to a minimum. We'll have to wait and see.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I don't know if that is true, there isn't enough information to say that DA:O is far more successful. All that Bioware has said is that it was their most successful launch. Which they will probably say of ME 2 when ME 3 comes around.

[Solid N7]

SirGladiator wrote...

Perhaps in certain regards they look at ME2 as their 'cutting edge' game that DA2 should be modelled after, and while its true that DAO was far more successful than ME2 there's no doubt that that some higher-ups in Bioware could still look at ME2 as the model simply because their graphics were clearly superior, and because it generally got higher review scores from the media as a result. Naturally when you take that too far, and start seriously modelling your more popular game after your less popular one, that probably won't go well, so hopefully they'll keep that to a minimum. We'll have to wait and see.

well DA:O was more successfuk than ME2 because  was multi, mass effect is PC and 360 exclusive don´t forget that

[Solid N7]

many ps3 fans want mass effect in their console

[Onyx Jaguar]

Blame Microsoft. I'd probably but it again for PS3 if given the chance. Especially if they fix ME1's issues and port that