David Gaider wrote...
I can see why you might be attached to your Warden character and even the romance plot your pursued, and perhaps the Warden's story might not be entirely done yet, but it certainly isn't the focus of DA2. There are new stories to be told.
Modifié par Deviija, 15 juillet 2010 - 02:58 .
David Gaider wrote...
tbsking wrote...
But the fact that the Warden doesn't get an ending is what's pissing people off about it. Every ending a Warden can get - aside from dying - implies that his adventures continue.
And if they do? The story of Origins was the battle against the Blight-- which you finished. You killed the Archdemon. That's as definitive an ending as you're likely to get. The hero walks off into the sunset and his adventures continue. Perhaps he heads off in search of Morrigan-- perhaps we even pick up on that plot in the future, who knows? But if the idea is that picking up on that one possible thread as the basis for DA2, continuing the "adventures of the Warden" (which would have to be an all-new adventure since, as I pointed out above, his battle is already done), is the entire point of Origins... well, I'm not so sure about that. I can see why you might be attached to your Warden character and even the romance plot your pursued, and perhaps the Warden's story might not be entirely done yet, but it certainly isn't the focus of DA2. There are new stories to be told.
Tollak_Grippsson wrote...
phaonica wrote...
Bioware representatives have said that Mass Effect is choice-driven third-person and Dragon Age: Origins is first-person. ().
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"ME is more of a 3rd-person-authored experience with a lot of nonlinearity - a little open-world, but a little more of an authored experience. But it's the third-person experience, in a sense, you're conveying a suggestion to Shepard, who has a defined personality, and then you see what Shepard does, and it's really cool to see that."
DA, on the other hand, is a 1st-person authored experience, where, you are that character right from the moment of the origins story; you'r e invested in the character, you take a role on. You really feel like it's you that's making those choices. We focus on responces in non-player charaacters to you.
That's the difference in our [Bioware] mind between a first-person and third-person authored experience:
1st person: I, I, I.
3rd person: observing a character. you are that character, so its maybe 2nd-person in that sense, but you're also watching the character, and you're seeing what happens when you issue orders to that character, and you're still not clear on what that character may do/react to those orders."
Perhaps this is what David Gaider was trying to convey when he said that both were valid ways to portray THEDAS; was a little unclear to me.
David Gaider wrote...
tbsking wrote...
But the fact that the Warden doesn't get an ending is what's pissing people off about it. Every ending a Warden can get - aside from dying - implies that his adventures continue.
And if they do? The story of Origins was the battle against the Blight-- which you finished. You killed the Archdemon. That's as definitive an ending as you're likely to get. The hero walks off into the sunset and his adventures continue. Perhaps he heads off in search of Morrigan-- perhaps we even pick up on that plot in the future, who knows? But if the idea is that picking up on that one possible thread as the basis for DA2, continuing the "adventures of the Warden" (which would have to be an all-new adventure since, as I pointed out above, his battle is already done), is the entire point of Origins... well, I'm not so sure about that. I can see why you might be attached to your Warden character and even the romance plot your pursued, and perhaps the Warden's story might not be entirely done yet, but it certainly isn't the focus of DA2. There are new stories to be told.
LPPrince wrote...
ashez2ashes wrote...
I don't see why they couldn't find a reason to delevel you a bit. You could have been stuck behind a desk in Amaranthine for years and let yourself go for instance.
Yeah, because that's much more fun to think about than playing a brand new character and going from zero to hero in 10 years.
tbsking wrote...
David Gaider wrote...
tbsking wrote...
But the fact that the Warden doesn't get an ending is what's pissing people off about it. Every ending a Warden can get - aside from dying - implies that his adventures continue.
And if they do? The story of Origins was the battle against the Blight-- which you finished. You killed the Archdemon. That's as definitive an ending as you're likely to get. The hero walks off into the sunset and his adventures continue. Perhaps he heads off in search of Morrigan-- perhaps we even pick up on that plot in the future, who knows? But if the idea is that picking up on that one possible thread as the basis for DA2, continuing the "adventures of the Warden" (which would have to be an all-new adventure since, as I pointed out above, his battle is already done), is the entire point of Origins... well, I'm not so sure about that. I can see why you might be attached to your Warden character and even the romance plot your pursued, and perhaps the Warden's story might not be entirely done yet, but it certainly isn't the focus of DA2. There are new stories to be told.
And I blame you for doing your job too well.
Jallard wrote...
So, unless Bioware intends to offer up a demo game, I probably won't buy it. No animated trailer is going to convince me either. You got your work cut out for you Mr. Gaider.
David Gaider wrote...
tbsking wrote...
But the fact that the Warden doesn't get an ending is what's pissing people off about it. Every ending a Warden can get - aside from dying - implies that his adventures continue.
And if they do? The story of Origins was the battle against the Blight-- which you finished. You killed the Archdemon. That's as definitive an ending as you're likely to get. The hero walks off into the sunset and his adventures continue. Perhaps he heads off in search of Morrigan-- perhaps we even pick up on that plot in the future, who knows? But if the idea is that picking up on that one possible thread as the basis for DA2, continuing the "adventures of the Warden" (which would have to be an all-new adventure since, as I pointed out above, his battle is already done), is the entire point of Origins... well, I'm not so sure about that. I can see why you might be attached to your Warden character and even the romance plot your pursued, and perhaps the Warden's story might not be entirely done yet, but it certainly isn't the focus of DA2. There are new stories to be told.
I agree entirely. DAO isn't about the Warden. DAO is abou the Blight. I find that CRPGs that try to tell the PC's story make for much poorer roleplaying experiences (because if the player is free to roleplay then the writers can't know the PC's story). RPGs that instead tell a story about the setting and other events taking pace there (in which the PC can play a part) are much better roleplaying platforms.'David Gaider wrote...
And if they do? The story of Origins was the battle against the Blight-- which you finished.
We have not yet been given any reason to believe that DA2 is a third-person sort of game (as defined by Ray).Davasar wrote...
If this kind of 3rd person narrative isnt targeting you as a consumer, then just dont buy the game (ME1, ME2 or DA2). Spend your dollars on games that are targeted at you.
Riona45 wrote...
Heh, yeah--I'm in the camp that would rather just make a new character. Besides, if the Warden was "deleved a bit," I have no doubt people would vehemently complain about that. "How dare you take away all the progress I made, what's the point?"
Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 15 juillet 2010 - 04:57 .
Jimmy Fury wrote...
Riona45 wrote...
Heh, yeah--I'm in the camp that would rather just make a new character. Besides, if the Warden was "deleved a bit," I have no doubt people would vehemently complain about that. "How dare you take away all the progress I made, what's the point?"
Seriously. and how much is "a bit" anyway? Drop us from 30 back to 25? Boring. 30 to 10? That would mean we'd have to relearn all the same skills again? Nu uh. lame.
@ Jallard. Don't take this the wrong way but I'd like to offer a bit of advice to help your situation.
Invest a few bucks on a 360 and a Gamefly subscription.
Rent games on the console before you throw down 50 bucks for the PC version.
You don't even have to finish playing. Play it for a couple of hours to see whether you like it or not then toss it back in the envelope and get the next one.
The best part is that it's a win/win situation every time! If you hate it on the console you'll hate it even more on the PC. If you like it on the console you'll LOVE IT on the pc.
It's a very effective strategy that has served me quite well.
Mind you it doesn't help with DLC but alas no system is flawless. I've avoided some truely terrible games thanks to renting though.
(and now I need to go back to dancing over the fact that Gaider totally said the same thing I did!)
David Gaider wrote...
tbsking wrote...
But the fact that the Warden doesn't get an ending is what's pissing people off about it. Every ending a Warden can get - aside from dying - implies that his adventures continue.
And if they do? The story of Origins was the battle against the Blight-- which you finished. You killed the Archdemon. That's as definitive an ending as you're likely to get. The hero walks off into the sunset and his adventures continue. Perhaps he heads off in search of Morrigan-- perhaps we even pick up on that plot in the future, who knows? But if the idea is that picking up on that one possible thread as the basis for DA2, continuing the "adventures of the Warden" (which would have to be an all-new adventure since, as I pointed out above, his battle is already done), is the entire point of Origins... well, I'm not so sure about that. I can see why you might be attached to your Warden character and even the romance plot your pursued, and perhaps the Warden's story might not be entirely done yet, but it certainly isn't the focus of DA2. There are new stories to be told.
Jallard wrote...
New stories to be told about one single human individual who already has a stupid name Hawke
AlanC9 wrote...
Jallard wrote...
New stories to be told about one single human individual who already has a stupid name Hawke
I keep hearing this. What bugs people so much about "Hawke?" It's a fine old English surname. The only thing I can see wrong with the name is that I'm always going to associate it with Edward Hawke, but that's just because I'm an 18th-century-navy buff.
tbsking wrote...
Jimmy Fury wrote...
Riona45 wrote...
Heh, yeah--I'm in the camp that would rather just make a new character. Besides, if the Warden was "deleved a bit," I have no doubt people would vehemently complain about that. "How dare you take away all the progress I made, what's the point?"
Seriously. and how much is "a bit" anyway? Drop us from 30 back to 25? Boring. 30 to 10? That would mean we'd have to relearn all the same skills again? Nu uh. lame.
@ Jallard. Don't take this the wrong way but I'd like to offer a bit of advice to help your situation.
Invest a few bucks on a 360 and a Gamefly subscription.
Rent games on the console before you throw down 50 bucks for the PC version.
You don't even have to finish playing. Play it for a couple of hours to see whether you like it or not then toss it back in the envelope and get the next one.
The best part is that it's a win/win situation every time! If you hate it on the console you'll hate it even more on the PC. If you like it on the console you'll LOVE IT on the pc.
It's a very effective strategy that has served me quite well.
Mind you it doesn't help with DLC but alas no system is flawless. I've avoided some truely terrible games thanks to renting though.
(and now I need to go back to dancing over the fact that Gaider totally said the same thing I did!)
Aw, but then I have to shell out for subscription fees. I wouldn't mind getting deleveled, especially if there were whole new skill trees. I could accept it as an acceptable break from reality.
I do. It's why I've quietly made efforts to get people to refer to the female version of Hawke as LadyHawke instead of FemHawke.FieryDove wrote...
I think it's a fine name, however it does make me think of LadyHawke since I play mainly female pc's...does anyone even remember that?AlanC9 wrote...
I keep hearing this. What bugs people so much about "Hawke?" It's a fine old English surname. The only thing I can see wrong with the name is that I'm always going to associate it with Edward Hawke, but that's just because I'm an 18th-century-navy buff.Jallard wrote...
New stories to be told about one single human individual who already has a stupid name Hawke
AlanC9 wrote...
Jallard wrote...
New stories to be told about one single human individual who already has a stupid name Hawke
I keep hearing this. What bugs people so much about "Hawke?" It's a fine old English surname. The only thing I can see wrong with the name is that I'm always going to associate it with Edward Hawke, but that's just because I'm an 18th-century-navy buff.
David Gaider wrote...
And if they do? The story of Origins was the battle against the Blight-- which you finished. You killed the Archdemon. That's as definitive an ending as you're likely to get. The hero walks off into the sunset and his adventures continue. Perhaps he heads off in search of Morrigan-- perhaps we even pick up on that plot in the future, who knows? But if the idea is that picking up on that one possible thread as the basis for DA2, continuing the "adventures of the Warden" (which would have to be an all-new adventure since, as I pointed out above, his battle is already done), is the entire point of Origins... well, I'm not so sure about that. I can see why you might be attached to your Warden character and even the romance plot your pursued, and perhaps the Warden's story might not be entirely done yet, but it certainly isn't the focus of DA2. There are new stories to be told.
. In fact, I rolled an Orlesian for Awakenings for this reason -- being Warden-Commander just didn't seem to 'fit' my existing characters (and I'm not alone in that), and I imagine any sequel that tried to continue the Warden's story would have the same problem. It's kind of nice to imagine that they just wandered off to do their own thing after Origins, and that's probably why DA2 is leaving their story alone.
David Gaider wrote...
And if they do? The story of Origins was the battle against the Blight-- which you finished. You killed the Archdemon. That's as definitive an ending as you're likely to get. The hero walks off into the sunset and his adventures continue. Perhaps he heads off in search of Morrigan-- perhaps we even pick up on that plot in the future, who knows? But if the idea is that picking up on that one possible thread as the basis for DA2, continuing the "adventures of the Warden" (which would have to be an all-new adventure since, as I pointed out above, his battle is already done), is the entire point of Origins... well, I'm not so sure about that. I can see why you might be attached to your Warden character and even the romance plot your pursued, and perhaps the Warden's story might not be entirely done yet, but it certainly isn't the focus of DA2. There are new stories to be told.
I'm slightly fascinated by this statement, could you link to a source? The reason I'm fascinated is because comic book heroes often have single syllable last names. Some examples would be Kent, Wayne, Stark, Grey, Prince, Storm, Grimm, Pym, and even Hawke. (there are many more but I wanted to keep the list short lol)Altima Darkspells wrote...
For one, it's a single syllable last name. People are more comfortable with those that have two in the last name.
What are some of these implications and preconceptual meanings? People keep say "it says a lot" but then they don't clarify what is included in the lot that is being said.Second, Hawke is reminisce of 'hawk', which already starts to imply a lot about the character, helping to point out the lower threshold of control we'll have over the new PC. Especially where there are already human names out there in Ferelden that really have no preconceptual meaning.
I'm confused. If they sounded much better in the game what's the problem with Hawke? We haven't played the game yet so we can only compare it with how those names were perceived before we played.Lastly, it's, frankly, generic and boring. Seems like a better name for some pre-teens fanfiction than for the character in a 'dark, mature' game. Cousland and Howe may not have sounded much better, but once one actually got in game, they *meant* something.
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