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[SirOccam]

I couldn't help but noticing someone by the name of Adaia while playing through Leliana's Song. She's with two other NPC's, but she's the only one given a name.

I love playing as a City Elf, so naturally this really stood out to me, as I believe that is the name of the CE's deceased mother. She does appear to be an elf.

So...huge coincidence, or could it really be her?

Modifié par SirOccam, 12 juillet 2010 - 03:28 .

[SOLID_EVEREST]

Where is she? I'm playing as a city elf now, and I would like to know...

[SirOccam]

I'm not sure how much I can say that isn't a spoiler, but...it's in the prison.

[Heretic]

I think that's the City Elf's mother as well.

[Sabariel]

I doubt it's a coincidence as she is the only named prisoner in that room.

[SirOccam]

Well then.......neat.

[MishenNikara]

Considering the obsession with Vaughn and the elves, it wouldn't be shocking if it was THE adaia

[SOLID_EVEREST]

Sorry post was a major spoiler nvm.

Modifié par SOLID_EVEREST, 12 juillet 2010 - 07:24 .

[Wonderllama4]

yeah, that was a cool moment for anyone that played a City Elf. It's even better for me since my elf and Leliana eventually fall in love

[SirOccam]

It really makes me wonder about the circumstances surrounding her death. I'm not sure how much is said about it in DA:O. I vaguely remember a dialogue option you have when talking to Cyrion that indicates anger toward "the humans who killed her," but definitely nothing about a prison or how she ended up there.

[Phex]

Considering Adaia's wild nature, she probably ran into trouble frequently with the humans. At least she got to be with her family for a little longer thanks to Leliana.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

True, though for my part it calls into question how old the CE Wadren is. Adaia specifically mentions teaching her child. Indicating, at least to me, that the CE is probably well under 14 at this point. (assuming human normal growth and development)



Leliana herself is apparently full grown, meaning at least 17 for the Song, though probably closer/into her 20s. I can't point to anything specific off-hand, but I get the impression that Song is roughly 2 years before DA:O... Unless Adaia was killed very shortly after her appearence in Song...



I'd already gotten the impression that the CE was the youngest of the Warden possibles, but this almost makes it look like they're 18 at most.

[Castanea]

Screenshot if anyone was curious what she looked like..

[Sarah1281]

I hope not! The nice thing about that origin is that you don't know what the mother looked like so you could look like anything. If she IS Adaia then you can't get away with looking like Soris and Shianni (my preferred CE look) because your mother has much darker skin and so it stands to reason that you would, too.

[Ulicus]

I would prefer that wasn't THE Adaia, given she looks nothing like my City Elf....

Liliandra Nadiar wrote...

Leliana herself is apparently full grown, meaning at least 17 for the Song, though probably closer/into her 20s. I can't point to anything specific off-hand, but I get the impression that Song is roughly 2 years before DA:O... Unless Adaia was killed very shortly after her appearence in Song...

You're thinking 2 years because Leliana tells the Warden that's how long she's been in Ferelden. However, Leliana's Song takes place at least five years prior to DA:O, because Raleigh references the fact that Maric is king.

Modifié par Ulicus, 12 juillet 2010 - 09:34 .

[Liliandra Nadiar]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I hope not! The nice thing about that origin is that you don't know what the mother looked like so you could look like anything. If she IS Adaia then you can't get away with looking like Soris and Shianni (my preferred CE look) because your mother has much darker skin and so it stands to reason that you would, too.

Yeah, that's one of the downsides of playing Human Noble, and both Dwarf origins to a lesser extent. You're shown what your parent(s) look like and that has a feeling of limiting what your Warden can look like. I made a Asian-featured Human Noble and couldn't even get through the origin story with two very caucasian parents calling me their daughter. Sure, adoption works I guess, but only a bit.

[Sarah1281]

Liliandra Nadiar wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I hope not! The nice thing about that origin is that you don't know what the mother looked like so you could look like anything. If she IS Adaia then you can't get away with looking like Soris and Shianni (my preferred CE look) because your mother has much darker skin and so it stands to reason that you would, too.

Yeah, that's one of the downsides of playing Human Noble, and both Dwarf origins to a lesser extent. You're shown what your parent(s) look like and that has a feeling of limiting what your Warden can look like. I made a Asian-featured Human Noble and couldn't even get through the origin story with two very caucasian parents calling me their daughter. Sure, adoption works I guess, but only a bit.

For the dwarf noble origin there is a little bit of leeway if you want to RP that Bhelen and/or Trian were the children of noble hunters. Of course, if you're a DNF then you have to have been the daughter of the Queen or else you'd be castless and I don't think it's very likely that Endrin had two sons with noble hunters (and maybe a daughter or so) given that you're the middle. It could happen, though.

For the DC origin, however, there is plenty of freedom. Rica refers to the man who left and sent your mother into a state of alcoholic stupor was YOUR father and not OUR father so that's an implication that you have a different father and so you can look however you want to. And who knows? Maybe the mother was a noble hunter who had Rica and since she 'wasted her fertility' (which is what Mardy says about why she can't continue being one after having your son as a DNM) no one wanted her to be their noble hunter and so she met your father, had a good thing with him, and then he left for the Surface leaving her with two babies. It would definitely explain why she's so bitter about Rica's success.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 13 juillet 2010 - 12:04 .

[Liliandra Nadiar]

That is, of course, assuming Endrin has casteless concubines like Bhelen apparently does/will. Noble hunters is a very viable option for DNMs, Nothing speficially sates only casteless are noble hunters though. Could be a DNF from a noble hunter from the high placed Warrior Caste. It would fit fairly well with the story of the DN not really expecting to rule (having taken her mother's warrior caste status) but popular enough to be concidered (since she is of Aeducan blood). Still, the most likely outcome is all three are from the mythical, never really covered Queen.



For the DC, I was more refering to knowing how your mother looks, though one could make several compelling agruments over hard living affecting her looks. Rica has enough looks in common with your mother to be able to claim the DC takes after the father even if it does turn out to be the same man, though you make an excellent case for both coming from different fathers.

[Sarah1281]

Liliandra Nadiar wrote...

That is, of course, assuming Endrin has casteless concubines like Bhelen apparently does/will. Noble hunters is a very viable option for DNMs, Nothing speficially sates only casteless are noble hunters though. Could be a DNF from a noble hunter from the high placed Warrior Caste. It would fit fairly well with the story of the DN not really expecting to rule (having taken her mother's warrior caste status) but popular enough to be concidered (since she is of Aeducan blood). Still, the most likely outcome is all three are from the mythical, never really covered Queen.

I'm not positive that Endrin did but it could happen. The Harrowmonts are as traditional as they come and yet Rica was talking about Beraht being upset with her since other noble hunters found patrons at his reception. The reason I think people think a noble hunter was involved (likely for Bhelen since he's the least favorite) is because dwarves have low fertility and yet Endrin has three children.

I do believe that only casteless dwarves are noble hunters. They are looked down because they're basically prostitutes except they don't charge money but try to get pregnant and get gifts from their patrons. Why would a dwarf with a caste and honor want to do that? The casteless do it becauas that and the Legion are their only two ways out of Dust Town (besides the Surface). Certainly no high-up warrior caste dwarf do it. In fact, Teli is even tempted to try and sleep with and have a child with Gorim who is at the top of the warrior caste. 

And the DN's mother HAS to be the Queen as the gender of the characters wouldn't affect who the parents are. If Endrin slept with a member of any other caste but noble and had a daughter then the daughter would not live in the Palace and she would not be the Princess. Instead, she'd be a warrior (or whatever else) caste girl and live with her mother's family. It's not like the DN isn't expected to rule but that when Trian was born he was declared Endrin's heir and Endrin never changed that although Trian fears that he will or that once Endrin dies the Assembly will pick you instead. You're still a Princess just like Bhelen's a Prince but you're not the oldest and so not the named heir although you are gaining popularity so if Bhelen hadn't gotten you exiled and been bribing everyone for years you might have been chosen over Trian. Members of the warrior caste are never called Lady/Lord and they don't have a noble house name. Your mother was the Queen no matter who your brother's mother was. Lady Helmi even mentions your mother as someone she knew and says that she would be proud of you or says she'd 'melt the stone' depending on whether you agreed to help Lord Dace or not (she's not in favor of this) which adds further proof that she was the Queen.
 

For the DC, I was more refering to knowing how your mother looks, though one could make several compelling agruments over hard living affecting her looks. Rica has enough looks in common with your mother to be able to claim the DC takes after the father even if it does turn out to be the same man, though you make an excellent case for both coming from different fathers.

Since the mother has light skin and red hair, the skin and hair color of the DC depend on the father. If he had dark skin then maybe hers will be lighter than his but it still won't be Rica's color. And since red hair is recessive then having brown or blonde hair makes it very likely (unless they had a red hair gene themselves) that they would have their father's hair color.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

Hmm. Good points on DN Warden's parentage, Though I still disagree on the noble hunters. The goal behind it is for the mother (and her parents/siblings) to raise their caste. Yes casteless would be the bulk of them since anything is better then the effective non-existence they get. But a Servent Caste or even Smith would like become 'noble' as well. (As the only castes I recall even hearing by name are Noble, Warrior, Smith, Servent and casteless, Though Shapers might have another caste.)



It's also because casteless are effectivly illegal that I doubt the two we meet in the DN origin are casteless. They said they had to buy passes and concidering the situation, I really doubt any casteless would get ahold of one that the guards would believe was genuine or legitmitly acquired.

[Addai]

Could someone post a screenshot?

[Sarah1281]

Liliandra Nadiar wrote...

Hmm. Good points on DN Warden's parentage, Though I still disagree on the noble hunters. The goal behind it is for the mother (and her parents/siblings) to raise their caste. Yes casteless would be the bulk of them since anything is better then the effective non-existence they get. But a Servent Caste or even Smith would like become 'noble' as well. (As the only castes I recall even hearing by name are Noble, Warrior, Smith, Servent and casteless, Though Shapers might have another caste.)

It's also because casteless are effectivly illegal that I doubt the two we meet in the DN origin are casteless. They said they had to buy passes and concidering the situation, I really doubt any casteless would get ahold of one that the guards would believe was genuine or legitmitly acquired.

The caste system goes Noble (of which the Shapers are technically a part of), noble, smith, artisan, miner, merchant, servant.

The servant you can talk to in the DC origin makes it clear how proud even they are of their work and would never resort to being like a casteless.

If you have a child with Mardy then when you meet up with her again she says "I can't work. No one wants to lie with a woman who's used up her fertility on some casteless brat." Technically, I suppose that he could just be casteless since you are technically at the time but she has no money, no place to stay, she's had to take care of him all on her own...if she had a family wouldn't she mention, like Zerlinda does, being tossed out by them? 

It isn't illegal to be a casteless and casteless can go to the Commons (and the Diamond Quarter if they have permits like Mardy and Teli do) although people aren't happy to see them. Yes technically other caste women COULD, I guess, but they don't get to regularly see their children if Rica's experience is any indication and are treated as a dirty little secret. You'd think that people who had another option (especially those in the higher castes) wouldn't want that kind of a life. All they would get out of it is some material goods but they'd hardly need it to survive like the casteless do. Besides, as a DN you run into Rica in the palace and she isn't even pregnant yet nor does he know she's there.

[silverholly83]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I hope not! The nice thing about that origin is that you don't know what the mother looked like so you could look like anything. If she IS Adaia then you can't get away with looking like Soris and Shianni (my preferred CE look) because your mother has much darker skin and so it stands to reason that you would, too.

Personally I'm glad because my CE Warrior looks like that (with better make-up and darker hair). Additionally, if you're concerned about believability there's no guarantee *how* much darker your character has to be. Children born of a black and white parent can fall anywhere on the color spectrum from a very light tan to "standard" brown. Features can vary as well. OR maybe Leliana just prefers putting dark exotic beauties in her tales.

[Sarah1281]

Could they be redheads? It seems REALLY unlikely.