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[SarEnyaDor]

I can't imagine a pregnant woman lying to her older child, especially such a big lie. Presumably she didn't know she was going to die in childbirth, so telling her daughter that the King knocked her up if it wasn't true would accomplish what? There weren't tabloids to sell your sorted story to, so there would have to be a reason to make something like that up and pass on to your impressionable child.

I think Alistair IS NOT Fionna's child, that there is another child of Maric out there. I think Maric did what he had a habit of doing (sleeping with inappropriate people at inappropriate times) and Goldanna's mother was happy to tell her child all about how their lives were going to change because she was having the King's baby .... well, it was sort of true for them, but not in the happy Disney way.

Modifié par SarEnyaDor, 14 juillet 2010 - 12:41 .

[Ulicus]

Loghain tells us that Alistair was born prior to Rowan's death. It might've been retconned, of course... but until stated otherwise, I'm going to assume it hasn't been.

[Sarah1281]

Ulicus wrote...

Loghain tells us that Alistair was born prior to Rowan's death. It might've been retconned, of course... but until stated otherwise, I'm going to assume it hasn't been.

He doesn't specifically say that, he says Maric almost acknowledged Alistair but that doing so would ruin Rowan which, if the baby was Fiona's, seems like a really obvious cover-up to stop him from digging deeper as he'd accept an excuse of 'it was for Rowan' and they agreed not to tell him about Fiona's kid. Still, if he found out Alistair was Maric's then they'd need to make something up.

[Sarkus]

The fact that David Gaider has never really come out and explained this whole thing makes me think there's a reason for it. That reason may involve the story further along.
On the other hand, the way they kind of mangled the death of Maric to the point where he had to come out and tell us what his fate was because they forgot to include it in the game suggests that maybe things aren't as nice and neat was we'd like to think.

Modifié par Sarkus, 14 juillet 2010 - 05:56 .

[Quicksilverk]

I think that we're jumping to too many conclusions and second guessing what is correct or incorrect. The Calling tells us about Fiona and Maric's child. Dragon Age: Origins tells us about Alistair. There's nothing to link the two, as far as I'm aware.



Making guesses that Loghain making things up to cover Alistair's real parentage is unnecessary, that's something that the writer's can do but haven't hinted at. As we don't write the game we can't imagine that having happened. Nor do we have any evidence to say Fiona and Maric's child is Alistair as we have evidence to the contrary.



Perhaps there is another royal bastard out there that we will, or will never, find out about. I don't think the Dragon Age writers have everything tied up in a neat package nor is every singlecharacter of importance. It's what adds to the depth of Dragon Age, there are loose ends, dead ends, inconsequential things, perspectives, etc.



Personally I think it best if there is another royal abstard out there, living their life free of worry. Maybe they even died during the Blight or the civil war, it doesn't have to be something dramatic. Or perhaps they will be important in a future installment in the universe.

[Sarah1281]

Making guesses that Loghain making things up to cover Alistair's real parentage is unnecessary, that's something that the writer's can do but haven't hinted at. As we don't write the game we can't imagine that having happened. Nor do we have any evidence to say Fiona and Maric's child is Alistair as we have evidence to the contrary.

No one thinks LOGHAIN made anything up but rather he was lied to and given Maric's decision not to tell him that the Orlesian elven Grey Warden mage (okay, seriously, which of those would he actually be okay with?) if Alistair were Fiona's then he wouldn't know.



And I don't believe the child is dead or else why bother with creating a miracle baby in the first place?

[jpdipity]

Quicksilverk wrote...

I think that we're jumping to too many conclusions and second guessing what is correct or incorrect. The Calling tells us about Fiona and Maric's child. Dragon Age: Origins tells us about Alistair. There's nothing to link the two, as far as I'm aware.

Making guesses that Loghain making things up to cover Alistair's real parentage is unnecessary, that's something that the writer's can do but haven't hinted at. As we don't write the game we can't imagine that having happened. Nor do we have any evidence to say Fiona and Maric's child is Alistair as we have evidence to the contrary.

Perhaps there is another royal bastard out there that we will, or will never, find out about. I don't think the Dragon Age writers have everything tied up in a neat package nor is every singlecharacter of importance. It's what adds to the depth of Dragon Age, there are loose ends, dead ends, inconsequential things, perspectives, etc.

Personally I think it best if there is another royal abstard out there, living their life free of worry. Maybe they even died during the Blight or the civil war, it doesn't have to be something dramatic. Or perhaps they will be important in a future installment in the universe.

We don't have evidence to the contrary - we have heresay.  Eamon, Goldanna and Loghain do not have first hand knowledge of the child or Alistair's mother. 

The events in the book are factual because we are seeing the events as they unfold.  The codex and knowledge of the NPCs in the game are not.  So, all we really know is that a baby boy with blond hair who looks like Cailan was born by Fiona and Maric.  His mother was to be kept a secret, Loghain was not going to be told, the child was to be raised away from court and Duncan was going to keep an eye on him.

There is more circumstantial evidence that the child is Alistair than there is that it is another child.  No children were discussed in The Calling other than Cailan & Fiona's child.  Maric was more than happy to take in a half-elven child and raise him at court despite what others thought.  Only at Fiona's request did Maric reluctantly agree not to have the child raised away from court without knowledge of his mother.

Duncan promised to watch over the child.  Why would Duncan be watching over Alistair if he was not Fiona's child?  He didn't promise to watch over Fiona's child & that other older child that has never been mentioned, doesn't live at court, is an apparent embarrassment to Rowan and is not acknowledged by anyone.

I can only hope that one day a developer will tell us the truth although I think that they would probably rather leave us guessing...

Modifié par jpdipity, 14 juillet 2010 - 07:47 .

[DreGregoire]

Well Alistair is Maric's child, so that we know. Sometimes I like to think that the pc human mage is the child of Maric and Fiona. I keep meaning to make one that looks more like Cailan. And then whoa wouldn't it be really weird if the Cousland pc was blond haired and blue eyed and looked like Cailan. Phew what a twist that would be. I wouldn't put it past the Couslands to take in a child to claim as their own. That would make either of them Alistair's half brothers. Heh. I guess Ander's could be Fiona's just as much. LOL. I would hate to think that Maric spread his love around that much. I suppose after he lost his wife there may have been many star struck maids willing to please him.

[Ulicus]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

Loghain tells us that Alistair was born prior to Rowan's death. It might've been retconned, of course... but until stated otherwise, I'm going to assume it hasn't been.

He doesn't specifically say that, he says Maric almost acknowledged Alistair but that doing so would ruin Rowan which, if the baby was Fiona's, seems like a really obvious cover-up to stop him from digging deeper as he'd accept an excuse of 'it was for Rowan' and they agreed not to tell him about Fiona's kid. Still, if he found out Alistair was Maric's then they'd need to make something up.

So Loghain would assume Alistair is at least three years older than he actually is? He says that knowledge of Alistair would have ruined Rowan and reduced her to a concubine in the eyes of the court. If he thought Alistair was born three years after Rowan's death -- be it to a maid or an elf -- there's no way that would be possible.

While Loghain being fed the "human mother" story works, absolutely, if Alistair is Fiona's kid then none of the stuff he says regarding Rowan can stand.

[Sarah1281]

Whose to say that Loghain ever actually met Alistair? Why would he even want to? By the time Origins starts and he sees Alistair for the first time is he really going to be able to tell if Alistair is a few years older or younger than he's supposed to be?

[Ulicus]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Whose to say that Loghain ever actually met Alistair? Why would he even want to? By the time Origins starts and he sees Alistair for the first time is he really going to be able to tell if Alistair is a few years older or younger than he's supposed to be?

He doesn't have to meet him to know the difference between Arl Eamon taking in a newborn babe and Arl Eamon taking in a toddler. It's not like Eamon's ward was a secret, just his parentage.

And then there's Eamon's staff. They're not going to be convinced that the newborn is the offspring of a maid who died three years previously.

Modifié par Ulicus, 15 juillet 2010 - 04:51 .

[jpdipity]

Ulicus wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Whose to say that Loghain ever actually met Alistair? Why would he even want to? By the time Origins starts and he sees Alistair for the first time is he really going to be able to tell if Alistair is a few years older or younger than he's supposed to be?

He doesn't have to meet him to know the difference between Arl Eamon taking in a newborn babe and Arl Eamon taking in a toddler. It's not like Eamon's ward was a secret, just his parentage.

And then there's Eamon's staff. They're not going to be convinced that the newborn is the offspring of a maid who died three years previously.

But you don't know when Loghain found out about Alistair.  He could have found out when Alistair was already off at the Chantry or even after Maric's death. 

All we know for sure is that Loghain was not told initially; so, who knows when Loghain first was told about Alistair.  Loghain rarely went to court according to The Stolen Throne; so, he would not know much other than what he was told especially about a child that was sent away from the court. 

[Miri1984]

There's no reason that Rowan being dead doesn't mean her reputation can't still matter - if Maric was sleeping around after she died then HE would have felt like he was betraying her memory, Loghain probably would have felt the same.