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[Brockololly]

Anarya wrote...

You don't think Morrigan is interesting enough as a standalone character? I disagree.

I do.

But given how Witch Hunt ends, to simply hand wave away the Warden's possible involvement with her for some new PC is stupid. If you became friends with or romanced Morrigan, she is very much a different character than you started out with at the begining of Origins. And if you hated Morrigan and gut stabbed her, whats the point of that if she never sees the Warden that stabbed her again? Its a matter of emotional engagement- you bring back Morrigan and not the Warden, its not going to be the same "version" of Morrigan as you've come to know. Thats the whole point as to why people were and are pissed with Witch Hunt's bugs if you did the DR- you got the wrong 'version" of Morrigan.

BioWare could certainly bring only Morrigan back as that no doubt is the easy way to go. But for many, it completely misses the point behind why people may love/hate Morrigan as a character- its based on the Warden's relationship and prior experiences with her- even the Orlesian's brief meeting with her in WH gives the Orlesian the foundation of being the only Warden to have interacted with her and to have received the warning from her about Flemeth. Something which the First Warden would no doubt want to hear about. To just toss all that character development and emotional engagement away would be terribly myopic.


Oh and on the topic of Morrigan being dead- ummmm no. The flag that gets tracked if you stabbed her says something along the lines of MORRIGAN_STABBED.

Modifié par Brockololly, 08 octobre 2010 - 05:44 .

[Esbatty]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Ryuguy93 wrote...
No, DA2 will be a complety new story and Morrigan's story was completed in the Witch hunt DLC  

Oh no it wasn't. Not by a long shot.

*squees like a teen girl cosplayer at an anime convention giving away plushy tentacle monsters*

[SirOccam]

Brockololly wrote...

[*]The whole Morrigan/Flemeth/Warden/Old God Baby thing is the reason I'm still staying interested in DA2. Mike, you announce DA3 or whatever brings back Morrigan with the Warden plus Flemeth and the Old God Baby with the whole "change" thing in high gear and the world at war or whatever it is Hawke is setting the stage for, I'll pre-order like a eleventy zillion copies right now. Right. This. Second.  With space cash no less.

This seriously sounds like the best game ever. Lots of epic series do stuff like that, and it's great. You meet all kinds of interesting characters along the way, then they all come together for the epicness. That's how it was in Origins, in fact. It would be beyond cool if the Warden and Morrigan and the God Baby and their whole thing was one faction (unless you're one of those brutes who stabbed her), Hawke leads another faction, maybe the Dalish make an appearance, the Dwarves, and so forth. DA3 is perfect for it too, since apparently DA2 ends with the world on the brink of war. After that we just need to see the war happen, and for all the major players to come play a part in it.

Modifié par SirOccam, 08 octobre 2010 - 06:24 .

[Morrigans God son]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Ryuguy93 wrote...
No, DA2 will be a complety new story and Morrigan's story was completed in the Witch hunt DLC  

Oh no it wasn't. Not by a long shot.

Oh man! I hate when they tease us.
Well, when I meet Morrigan again at some point...I expect full answers!
"Hey Morrigan, what's your shoe size?"

Modifié par Morrigans God son, 08 octobre 2010 - 10:46 .

[shadowpiranha]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Ryuguy93 wrote...
No, DA2 will be a complety new story and Morrigan's story was completed in the Witch hunt DLC  

Oh no it wasn't. Not by a long shot.

Haaaahahahahahahaha. Awesome.

[FieryDove]

Brockololly wrote...

Anarya wrote...

You don't think Morrigan is interesting enough as a standalone character? I disagree.

I do.

But given how Witch Hunt ends, to simply hand wave away the Warden's possible involvement with her for some new PC is stupid. If you became friends with or romanced Morrigan, she is very much a different character than you started out with at the begining of Origins. And if you hated Morrigan and gut stabbed her, whats the point of that if she never sees the Warden that stabbed her again? Its a matter of emotional engagement- you bring back Morrigan and not the Warden, its not going to be the same "version" of Morrigan as you've come to know. Thats the whole point as to why people were and are pissed with Witch Hunt's bugs if you did the DR- you got the wrong 'version" of Morrigan.

I agree.

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Ryuguy93 wrote...
No, DA2 will be a complety new story and Morrigan's story was completed in the Witch hunt DLC 

Oh no it wasn't. Not by a long shot.

You are a horrible tease!

[In Exile]

Brockololly wrote...
BioWare could certainly bring only Morrigan back as that no doubt is the easy way to go. But for many, it completely misses the point behind why people may love/hate Morrigan as a character- its based on the Warden's relationship and prior experiences with her- even the Orlesian's brief meeting with her in WH gives the Orlesian the foundation of being the only Warden to have interacted with her and to have received the warning from her about Flemeth. Something which the First Warden would no doubt want to hear about. To just toss all that character development and emotional engagement away would be terribly myopic.

I disagree with you here. The Orlesian Warden has none of the connection to Morrigan, and having him meet her once at the mirror or having some new character (whether Hawke or no) meet her at some other point is indifferent. The personal drama only exists with the Origins Warden.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I couldn't care less about Morrigan OR the God Baby.



I want to see more of the DA world - Morrigan can go crawl under a rock and die for all I care.

[Brockololly]

In Exile wrote...
I disagree with you here. The Orlesian Warden has none of the connection to Morrigan, and having him meet her once at the mirror or having some new character (whether Hawke or no) meet her at some other point is indifferent. The personal drama only exists with the Origins Warden.

Well, unless you had the Orlesian stab Morrigan- then you've got the start of a personal antagonistic relationship I'd think, should they ever encounter each other again.

Certainly the Hero of Ferelden has a much, much greater connection, but as Witch Hunt shows, the Wardens at large have some interest in Morrigan. Thats the whole reason why the First Warden sends the Orlesian off to find info about Morrigan and Flemeth- to investigate their role in the Blight. And as the Orlesian finds out if you question Morrigan, when asking about Flemeth's role in the Blight, Morrigan says:

Perhaps more than you would even believe.

And then she says to the Orlesian:

Go. Tell your Wardens to be wary. Tell them to watch for what is to come.

Its obviously not the personal connection as the Hero of Ferelden may have with her, but Morrigan is tasking the Orlesian in that case with specific warnings about Flemeth and the whole "Change" thing for the Wardens to be on guard. It basically just seems to me that it further insinuates the Wardens into Morrigans story, the way in which she says for the Wardens specifically to be on the watch.And I imagine if the Wardens are still interested in Morrigan and Flemeth, they've only got one source who has met Morrigan in that case- the Orlesian. Certainly that makes the Orlesian perhaps a bit of an advocate for what he/she saw/heard from Morrigan what with the Eluvian and all. I imagine it makes him a bit of a Paul Revere in terms of having the Wardens be vigilant for what is to come.

So the Orlesian's connection to Morrigan may not be anywhere near as great as the Hero of Ferelden, but as a Warden and as someone who possibly shanked Morrigan, it would still be a more meaningful reconnection with Morrigan when she comes back into the picture than some other random Warden or some random dude like Hawke.

Modifié par Brockololly, 08 octobre 2010 - 03:30 .

[Shade of Wolf]

Esbatty wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Ryuguy93 wrote...
No, DA2 will be a complety new story and Morrigan's story was completed in the Witch hunt DLC  

Oh no it wasn't. Not by a long shot.

*squees like a teen girl cosplayer at an anime convention giving away plushy tentacle monsters*

Lol, Morrigan has thicker plot armor than Sasuke Uchiha.

[In Exile]

Brockololly wrote...

Well, unless you had the Orlesian stab Morrigan- then you've got the start of a personal antagonistic relationship I'd think, should they ever encounter each other again.

Right, but you could create the same with any non-Warden character in any installment you choose to introduce Morrigan. Put another way: I think the Orlesian is equivalent to any and all non-Warden characters in first meeting Morrigan, and if his first meeting with Morrigan is sufficient justification for a personal connection, then any first meeting can (under the right circumstance) be sufficient for that same personal connection.

And if that were true, then the Origins Warden is not so special at all. This is my argument, in the general case.

Certainly the Hero of Ferelden has a much, much greater connection, but as Witch Hunt shows, the Wardens at large have some interest in Morrigan. Thats the whole reason why the First Warden sends the Orlesian off to find info about Morrigan and Flemeth- to investigate their role in the Blight.

Are they? That seems very strange. That being said, I have not played the DLC - I have been far too busy, and until I am sure that the horrific bug is fixed, I do not want to spend my gelt on it.

[Meltemph]

I want to see more of the DA world - Morrigan can go crawl under a rock and die for all I care.

So this... Give me Thades, over recurring characters, ANY DAY.

[Morrigans God son]

In Exile wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
BioWare could certainly bring only Morrigan back as that no doubt is the easy way to go. But for many, it completely misses the point behind why people may love/hate Morrigan as a character- its based on the Warden's relationship and prior experiences with her- even the Orlesian's brief meeting with her in WH gives the Orlesian the foundation of being the only Warden to have interacted with her and to have received the warning from her about Flemeth. Something which the First Warden would no doubt want to hear about. To just toss all that character development and emotional engagement away would be terribly myopic.

I disagree with you here. The Orlesian Warden has none of the connection to Morrigan, and having him meet her once at the mirror or having some new character (whether Hawke or no) meet her at some other point is indifferent. The personal drama only exists with the Origins Warden.

 Then bring back the warden. ME can have their Hawke appear in ME3, to be honest he belongs in that game.

[Selene Moonsong]

Someone stated that Morrigan would work as a stand-alone character, but I disagree. I personally feel that she works well with your Warden, male or female; whether the romantic interest of your male character, or a friend of your female character.

Usually, I'm all for a "new game, new characters" format for an expansion, but I also think too much is lost in the case of Morigan re-appearing without the Warden who had a love interest, or even the warden who was a friend.

Without your warden, such a return of Morrigan would seem pretty meaningless and would amount to nothing more than a return of Flemmeth through Morrigan.

I'm sure that there are plenty of plot devices that would work, logically, but such would have much less meaning for a player than if the player's warden from DOA is involved, from a role-playing game perspective.

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 09 octobre 2010 - 12:32 .