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Hawke is (or may be) A bastard...discuss


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DanteCousland

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we all know that Maric had a bastard child with Fiona (I think it was implied that was Alistair was Fionas Son) and there was a rumour that he possibly had another with Flemeth. (In the Stolen Throne he meets a witch and he promises her something that is unknown to the reader...Perhaps to impreganate her so he can push out the Orlesians). I don't know its a long shot, it really is but I wouldn't put anything past Bioware. Since George R R Martin was such a fan of having bastard children in his books and since DAO borrowed from his ideas it seems quite likely. Additionally I doubt Hawke is just an average man/women. He could be but It's be pretty awesome is he has an interesting backstory and he ends up discovering more things about himself along the way. He could be a commoner and bearing in mind I have no facts. This is just speculation with little basis but I would be surprised if he was just from a "Normal" family. Maric was from what I can see a bit of a "player". I wouldn't be surprised if he has children dotted all over Thedas.

Modifié par DanteCousland, 12 juillet 2010 - 01:39 .


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Maric is a pimp were it the case.




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Uhm. George R. R. Martin and DA:O have a lot of bastard children because there used to be a lot of bastard children. Kinda ties into the whole part where nobles can get away with murder quite literally if you don't heed their wishes.

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you have good ideas but dont forget he could be a dwarf or elf as well (thats if they let you this time around).

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DanteCousland

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You can't be a dwarf or Elf this time around. Also George R R Martin exaggerates the number of bastard children, but then Westeros is bigger than Western Europe (Its meant to be a continet the size of North America), where bastard children were more common place.

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It would be pretty interesting playing as Flemeth's son/daughter, then again it would also be interesting to see Morrigan's reaction to Hawke if he/she is.

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Hawke is a bastard. Now the fatherless part remains to be seen. ;)

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DanteCousland

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How do you know that MK, any evidence or just a hunch. I really do hope he is XD. He then has a reason to conqour the free Marches and unite them or something if he is of nobility.

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I'd rather have Hawke's family life not be told. That way I can imagine him more as a hobo with no connections.

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Given its a third person narrative you cant make up part of your backstory (I liked to add little bits to my DAO backstory for my Human Noble e.g. he always distrusted Howe and was very reserved and withdrawn compared to his brother) the backstory should be told, in my opinion. with the backstory being told you are now immersed in the character more. Just my opinion though and I respect yours, just wanted to get my point across :).

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Siradix wrote...

I'd rather have Hawke's family life not be told. That way I can imagine him more as a hobo with no connections.


I dunno, one of the things I found surprisingly gripping about DA:O was the background/family that it gave you. I realize it sort of limits imagination but I was so used to games starting out where random orphan of random race is at some random old wise adopted father's house before tragedy thrusts him into the spotlight that having a name, family and history acknowledged and active in the game was driving.

Modifié par ahnnajade, 12 juillet 2010 - 02:07 .


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DanteCousland

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I second ahnnajades statement. You said it better than I could.

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DanteCousland wrote...

Given its a third person narrative you cant make up part of your backstory (I liked to add little bits to my DAO backstory for my Human Noble e.g. he always distrusted Howe and was very reserved and withdrawn compared to his brother) the backstory should be told, in my opinion. with the backstory being told you are now immersed in the character more. Just my opinion though and I respect yours, just wanted to get my point across :).

and do you have any proof that DA2 isn't going to be first person narrative? all the information we know so far is that he leaves lothering and unites the free marshes...in origins you joined the grey wardens and defeated the archdeamon...so what makes you think DA2 wont be a first person narrative?

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DanteCousland

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Yes its going to be third person because its somebody narrating the story. all the events have already happened its somebody recalling them.

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I prefer the idea of a penniless nobody rising to power through the strength of his will, rather than because he has some kind of regal birthright. If it does turn out that Hawke has special lineage, I'd rather it be supernatural in origin rather than noble.

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DanteCousland wrote...

Yes its going to be third person because its somebody narrating the story. all the events have already happened its somebody recalling them.

can you tell me where you found this out? (not saying your wrong but i'd like to know if this is an assumption or a fact)

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DanteCousland

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You play through the game with them but it was stated (Go in the what do we know so far thread and it has a link) that it will be third person. Like at the beggining a guy will go "Let me tell you a story..." and theen you'll play through Hawkes story etc. Maybe he won't say that exactly but it was stated that it was a person looking back over the events of DA2. Like in Hitman Blood Money for instance.

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DanteCousland

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Go in "What we now know" thread. It has the information with a link in there.

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Gill Kaiser

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whinnie wrote...

DanteCousland wrote...

Yes its going to be third person because its somebody narrating the story. all the events have already happened its somebody recalling them.

can you tell me where you found this out? (not saying your wrong but i'd like to know if this is an assumption or a fact)

The frame narrative is of someone recalling the events. However, the actual events are chosen by you. So, it's a mixture between first and third person narrative.

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I'd rather they gave us some sort of idea of if he had a family or not. Somehow I imagine it as he loses his family when lothering is attacked.

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DanteCousland

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“Dragon Age II has a framed narrative structure, which means that

the exploits of Hawke occured in the past, but are being retold in the

present.” “Narrators with unique insights into the events in question

tell the tale of his past adventures.” [Print magazine]




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DanteCousland

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Dont get me wrong, its not like your playing as an old man telling a story. The decisions are all yours but its a person looking back on events and retelling them.

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DanteCousland wrote...

“Dragon Age II has a framed narrative structure, which means that the exploits of Hawke occured in the past, but are being retold in the present.” “Narrators with unique insights into the events in question tell the tale of his past adventures.” [Print magazine]

Yes, but it won't be like we have no choice in what happens. For example, the narrator'll say something like "This is the story of Hawke's early career, when he first entered the Free Marches and was drawn in to the politics of Kirkwall" or something, and then it'll shift to player-control and there'll be a whole bunch of different ways to do it. Like, making political allegiences, or overthrowing people and taking their place, or becoming champion for one faction then betraying them, or whatever. That's how it'll go. It's still an RPG, after all.

I like the idea of the various narrators. It makes the whole thing seem more grand and shrouded in myth. It makes Hawke seem more important. I also like the idea that the narrators will be people who we as players meet during the stories they're telling. Like, if a female narrator says "this is how I met Hawke" and then you meet her and romance her, then the next time it shifts to the narrator she seamlessly refers to Hawke as her lover, that'd be awesome.

Modifié par Gill Kaiser, 12 juillet 2010 - 02:18 .


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well...thats quite interesting way of telling the story...im going to have to wait for much more information on this to decide whether i really like it or not, but thanks for sharing that, its one more bit of information to think about.

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My Hawke wull be a bastard, in the metaphorical sense.