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[pprrff]

Does anyone find it odd that Cerbrus is concerned about the repaers while no one else is? Do they know something about the reapers that the council doesn't? Were they the one stole all the wrekage of Soveign so no one could properly examine them? I mean Soverign was several times the size of the citadel tower, there has to be a like billion pieces flying around? Seriously, no one else in the galaxy is worried about reapers, even the ones got their asses burned in ME1, and out no where Cerbrus comes along becoming hero of the story .....



Is because they already possess a dead reaper but kept it a secret for themselves? It would be such a cerbrus thing to do ...

[Inthatplace]

I trust TIM

[NephilimNexus]

I'm sure they could find a use for Colector/Reaper technology.

[Sursion]

It's shown that cerberus has the IFF anyways. They'd just steal it from the alliance.

[Lemonwizard]

pprrff wrote...

Does anyone find it odd that Cerbrus is concerned about the repaers while no one else is? Do they know something about the reapers that the council doesn't? Were they the one stole all the wrekage of Soveign so no one could properly examine them? I mean Soverign was several times the size of the citadel tower, there has to be a like billion pieces flying around? Seriously, no one else in the galaxy is worried about reapers, even the ones got their asses burned in ME1, and out no where Cerbrus comes along becoming hero of the story .....

Is because they already possess a dead reaper but kept it a secret for themselves? It would be such a cerbrus thing to do ...

There's a very clear reason for this.


It's called: Bioware couldn't think of anything better to force you to spend the whole game working with Cerberus.

[pprrff]

Lemonwizard wrote...

pprrff wrote...

Does anyone find it odd that Cerbrus is concerned about the repaers while no one else is? Do they know something about the reapers that the council doesn't? Were they the one stole all the wrekage of Soveign so no one could properly examine them? I mean Soverign was several times the size of the citadel tower, there has to be a like billion pieces flying around? Seriously, no one else in the galaxy is worried about reapers, even the ones got their asses burned in ME1, and out no where Cerbrus comes along becoming hero of the story .....

Is because they already possess a dead reaper but kept it a secret for themselves? It would be such a cerbrus thing to do ...

There's a very clear reason for this.


It's called: Bioware couldn't think of anything better to force you to spend the whole game working with Cerberus.

I wasn't implying that this was weakness in the game's plot, I meant it as a sequel hook that the developer threw in so they can have this big reveal in ME3 of how Evil Cerbrus really is, after which we will all be awed by the hidden clues they put into ME2, and thus having an epiphny how brilliant ME2 is i hindsight.

Modifié par pprrff, 12 juillet 2010 - 07:14 .

[Jzadek72]

God yes. I would have kept it if it didn't mean instantly handing it over to Space Terrorists. I'd rather give it to the council though.

[Lemonwizard]

pprrff wrote...

Lemonwizard wrote...

pprrff wrote...

Does anyone find it odd that Cerbrus is concerned about the repaers while no one else is? Do they know something about the reapers that the council doesn't? Were they the one stole all the wrekage of Soveign so no one could properly examine them? I mean Soverign was several times the size of the citadel tower, there has to be a like billion pieces flying around? Seriously, no one else in the galaxy is worried about reapers, even the ones got their asses burned in ME1, and out no where Cerbrus comes along becoming hero of the story .....

Is because they already possess a dead reaper but kept it a secret for themselves? It would be such a cerbrus thing to do ...

There's a very clear reason for this.


It's called: Bioware couldn't think of anything better to force you to spend the whole game working with Cerberus.

I wasn't implying that this was weakness in the game's plot, I meant it as a sequel hook that the developer threw in so they can have this big reveal in ME3 of how Evil Cerbrus really is, after which we will all be awed by the hidden clues they put into ME2, and thus having an epiphny how brilliant ME2 is i hindsight.

Except I've thought Cerberus was worthless scum since ME1, and that wouldn't be a "reveal" so much as "Oh by the way in case you were not paying attention during any ME1 sidequests...".

[pprrff]

Lemonwizard wrote...

pprrff wrote...

Lemonwizard wrote...

pprrff wrote...

Does anyone find it odd that Cerbrus is concerned about the repaers while no one else is? Do they know something about the reapers that the council doesn't? Were they the one stole all the wrekage of Soveign so no one could properly examine them? I mean Soverign was several times the size of the citadel tower, there has to be a like billion pieces flying around? Seriously, no one else in the galaxy is worried about reapers, even the ones got their asses burned in ME1, and out no where Cerbrus comes along becoming hero of the story .....

Is because they already possess a dead reaper but kept it a secret for themselves? It would be such a cerbrus thing to do ...

There's a very clear reason for this.


It's called: Bioware couldn't think of anything better to force you to spend the whole game working with Cerberus.

I wasn't implying that this was weakness in the game's plot, I meant it as a sequel hook that the developer threw in so they can have this big reveal in ME3 of how Evil Cerbrus really is, after which we will all be awed by the hidden clues they put into ME2, and thus having an epiphny how brilliant ME2 is i hindsight.

Except I've thought Cerberus was worthless scum since ME1, and that wouldn't be a "reveal" so much as "Oh by the way in case you were not paying attention during any ME1 sidequests...".

Fair enough, they probly aimed it for people who never played ME1 then. There have to signifcant portion of fanbase who never played ME1, then for them it will be a nasty suprise, in a manner of speaking, since anyone can read this post and have it spoiled for them.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

The Alliance and the Council are blind and stubborn. Unless they snap out of it and see the Reapers as a threat, I won't give it to them.

[spacehamsterZH]

I'd sooner give it to the Alliance than to Cerberus, that's for damn sure, but if you did that... warlord sidequest, I forget what it was called, in ME1, you got to see that the Alliance is also willing to use people and screw them over.

[Pacifien]

Shandepared wrote...
I don't think that was his point. He isn't saying Shepard is obligated by a sense of honor to give anything to Cerberus, he's saying that Shepard is foolish to blow them off at the end. To date Cerberus is the only faction that has truly devoted their cause and resources towards helping Shepard stop the Reapers. When you cast them aside at the end you've turned your back on the one faction in the galaxy that has recognized the Reaper threat.

You could interpret the ending as Shepard blowing Cerberus off or as Shepard challenging the Illusive Man for leadership. The Illusive Man had Shepard on a leash all throughout ME2, carefully manipulating the events so that Shepard would combat the Collector threat on the Illusive Man's terms.

By the end of ME2, Shepard breaks the leash and tells the Illusive Man the war is now fought on Shepard's terms and he's not going to be the Illusive Man's lapdog anymore. The fact this seems to irk the Illusive Man demonstrates just how much he wants to be in control of every decision in this war.

But the Illusive Man never outright says that Shepard is now on his own and he's never going to aid him again. Even if Shepard isn't going to play by his rules, the Illusive Man still doesn't want the Reapers to destroy humanity. If you destroy the base, the Illusive Man just has to keep finding alternate ways. Like, I dunno, connecting an ex-Cerberus operative to Reaper tech to see what happens.

[pprrff]

oh yea, i meant to make a point about this topic, and that is we don't know the urgency of the threat. Are reapers coming next week or next year? For all we know they are stuck in the dark space that will take them another century to get here. Cerbrus motive is highly suspicious at best, and their sudden urgency in fighting reaper is unfounded. Fine, Collectors are immediate threat, but once that's gone what's the hurry? Why must they have to base or all else is hopeless?



For all we know, their plan of fighting the Reapers include them taking over the galaxy first, enslave everyone including human who oppose them (90% of humanity last time I checked), and then wait on technologically superior behinds for a century or so and then fight the reapers when they come.



So that's why I refuse to give them the base.

[Fiery Phoenix]

pprrff wrote...

Does anyone find it odd that Cerbrus is concerned about the repaers while no one else is? Do they know something about the reapers that the council doesn't? Were they the one stole all the wrekage of Soveign so no one could properly examine them? I mean Soverign was several times the size of the citadel tower, there has to be a like billion pieces flying around? Seriously, no one else in the galaxy is worried about reapers, even the ones got their asses burned in ME1, and out no where Cerbrus comes along becoming hero of the story .....

Is because they already possess a dead reaper but kept it a secret for themselves? It would be such a cerbrus thing to do ...

It's already been declared that TIM is one of the few who know the truth about the Reapers. To be honest, this makes me even more distrustful of his intentions.

[Pacifien]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
It's already been declared that TIM is one of the few who know the truth about the Reapers. To be honest, this makes me even more distrustful of his intentions.

More like he's one of the few who openly admits to the threat of the Reapers. In my own personal world of perfectness, the salarians have the STG all over that threat.

[AntiChri5]

Pacifien wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
It's already been declared that TIM is one of the few who know the truth about the Reapers. To be honest, this makes me even more distrustful of his intentions.

More like he's one of the few who openly admits to the threat of the Reapers. In my own personal world of perfectness, the salarians have the STG all over that threat.

It seems nonsensical if they aren't.

What with one of their greatest heroes publishing research papers on them........

[Christmas Ape]

Pacifien wrote...

In my own personal world of perfectness, the salarians have the STG all over that threat.

Doing...what? Our contact with the Reapers has been:

a) Sovereign. Destroyed at the Citadel. Primarily scavenged by turian OTR specialists.

The Collector base and ship. Destroyed by the SR-2 Normandy and/or turned over to Cerberus. Beyond the almost impassable Omega-4 Relay.

c) The Derelict Reaper. Previously occupied by a Cerberus research team. Lost in the lower atmosphere of the brown dwarf Mnemosyne.



Leads seem scarce on the ground for an intelligence agency.

[lovgreno]

Pacifien wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
It's already been declared that TIM is one of the few who know the truth about the Reapers. To be honest, this makes me even more distrustful of his intentions.

More like he's one of the few who openly admits to the threat of the Reapers. In my own personal world of perfectness, the salarians have the STG all over that threat.

It wouldn't suprise me if they are doing just that but keeping a low profile. But that is just speculation of course.

[BlackyBlack]

yes

[V0luS_R0cKs7aR]

Unless I'm handing the base off to Anderson/Hackett...then no, I'll still blow up the base. Cerberus probably has many supporters and agents in the Alliance, so it effectively amounts to the same thing.

The whole point is about sharing with the other races, to maximize the potential for large-scale deployment of any useful Reaper-busting tech. Consider if useful tech does come out of the base, what's Cerberus going to do with it if TIM doesn't share? (and all indications are that he won't). Cerberus isn't a military organization, so giving them technology that would be most useful in large-scale military situations seem to be a waste of technology at best and enabling terrorism at worst.

Modifié par V0luS_R0cKs7aR, 12 juillet 2010 - 08:57 .

[CROAT_56]

i kind of like what legion said about finding our own way instead of having it given to you on a silver platter by the reapers (ie. Reaper tech). So to answer your question I would destroy it no matter the person or group that was offered.

We shall find our own way of destroying the reapers as a united galaxy, the protheans were cut off from each other we will not be.

Modifié par CROAT_56, 12 juillet 2010 - 09:02 .

[Nightwriter]

Ideally?

Ideally I would've kept it for myself, elbowed Timmy out of the way, and had my team study it.

That is, team Liara along with her information brokering people & resources, Miranda's now rogue Lazarus Cell (including everyone on the Normandy), Legion and Tali with the full forces of both parties they represent, Mordin along with his STG connections, and of course EDI.

Meanwhile I'd have Jacob, Garrus, Jack, Wrex and his krogan, some geth troops and possibly rachni patrolling the whole operation as muscle/guards making sure no one starts acting funny. All personnel would get checkups every single day to test their physical and mental soundness, supervised by Mordin and Chakwas.

[cachx]

The thing is, we just don't know what the collector base has, except for the make-a-reaper machine and a direct line to harbinger (wich may or may not get you indoctrinated). Based on that information alone, let someone keeping it seems like a mistake.

But, the base is bound to have some kind of mac guffin if you keep it for ME3

[Collider]

No one should have that much power. And the base is far too dangerous.