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[MEMANIAsama]

Not trying to put this in the wrong forum, but I figure I may get a better response overall about stuff here.

From my understanding, you CAN'T have Anora become queen and still have Alistair in your party, at least in terms of this glitch I keep hearing about. What supposedly happens is that the dialog gets all messed up, as well as the epilogue, and Anora will think she's Queen and Alistair will think he's King, even if he's not marrying her. It's quite a mess. The only solution is to kill Alistair and recruit Loghain or to make Alistair the king.

My question is simply this:

Does this glitch ONLY occur on consoles or does it also occur on PC?

If you've encountered this glitch, what version of the game are you playing?

If you've gotten Anora to be Queen (without Alistair at her side), does the game's story glitch on you? Also, what version are you playing?

If you've gotten Anora to be Queen AND Marry Alistair, does the game's story glitch on you, what version are you playing?

If you've gotten Anora to be Queen AND Marry her yourself, does the game's story glitch on you, what version are you playing?

Basically, I'm trying to figure out if playing Dragon Age, my game will end the way I want it to or if the game will just glitch on me and destroy my immersion. Especially since Patch 1.04 doesn't seem to address this issue at all. It seems to me that the following routes may be blocked off from the player without the game's plot/dialog/epilogue freaking out.

- Marrying Anora as a Male Noble (the game doesn't even acknowledge you as the king.)
- Allowing Anora to rule by herself with Alistair remaining as a Grey Warden (thus keeping any romantic relationship with him intact.)

Modifié par MEMANIAsama, 12 juillet 2010 - 04:40 .

[SurelyForth]

MEMANIAsama wrote...

Not trying to put this in the wrong forum, but I figure I may get a better response overall about stuff here.

From my understanding, you CAN'T have Anora become queen and still have Alistair in your party, at least in terms of this glitch I keep hearing about. What supposedly happens is that the dialog gets all messed up, as well as the epilogue, and Anora will think she's Queen and Alistair will think he's King, even if he's not marrying her. It's quite a mess. The only solution is to kill Alistair and recruit Loghain or to make Alistair the king.

My question is simply this:

Does this glitch ONLY occur on consoles or does it also occur on PC?

If you've encountered this glitch, what version of the game are you playing?

If you've gotten Anora to be Queen (without Alistair at her side), does the game's story glitch on you? Also, what version are you playing?

If you've gotten Anora to be Queen AND Marry Alistair, does the game's story glitch on you, what version are you playing?

If you've gotten Anora to be Queen AND Marry her yourself, does the game's story glitch on you, what version are you playing?

Basically, I'm trying to figure out if playing Dragon Age, my game will end the way I want it to or if the game will just glitch on me and destroy my immersion. Especially since Patch 1.04 doesn't seem to address this issue at all. It seems to me that the following routes may be blocked off from the player without the game's plot/dialog/epilogue freaking out.

- Marrying Anora as a Male Noble (the game doesn't even acknowledge you as the king.)
- Allowing Anora to rule by herself with Alistair remaining as a Grey Warden (thus keeping any romantic relationship with him intact.)

The glitch is superficial. If you make Anora queen on her own, or with a male Cousland, Alistair will still act as though he is king (but only after the Landsmeet is finished, Anora will talk to you directly after the Landsmeet), but he is not crowned as such at the end and the epilogues reflect who you really chose to rule.

The exception to this is, I think, a 360 bug that causes Anora to become solo queen even if you're PC is supposed to become prince-consort.

[ejoslin]

That's not exactly the problem. It's on all platforms, however.



What is wrong is that they ran out of money or whatever and a lot of the post-landsmeet conversation just assumes Alistair is king. During the conversation where you try to talk in him into doing the ritual and at the arch demon if the ritual was not done, Alistair WILL refer to himself as king in an unmodded game.



The reason this isn't a glitch is, well, because it's set up to do this. There are no alternative dialogs. There are a few mods that fix this, but as one of the modders who does fix it, I can tell you the dialog is not messed up and the game is not glitched. This is how it's programmed.



The epilogue cards do refer to queen Anora as well. Again, it is not a glitch. There are no alternatives.



I know people will probably scream at me for saying it isn't a glitch, but what it is is missing content I suppose. Alistair referring to himself as king even when he's not king is the game working as it is programmed to do. Same with the epilogue cards.



And honestly, it's a pain to fix it. There were a few approaches used -- what I did was just route around all the king dialog. I think a couple of different fixes may have used recycled dialog. BUT in the game, there is just no alternative dialog, so it can't be called a glitch.

[MEMANIAsama]

ejoslin wrote...

BUT in the game, there is just no alternative dialog, so it can't be called a glitch.

Okay, cool. See, I kept hearing these horror stories for the past 6+ months so I just stopped playing.

So, to my understanding then, and hopefully I have this right, is that the ONLY console glitch is the fact that you CAN'T marry Anora as a Male Human noble?

Someone in the tech support forum wrote...

"If you a human noble who marries anora and has Alistair kill Loghain.
The ending is impossible to complete. Anora goes invisible and Alistair
will be standing there in king's armor. He also does the king's speech
for leading the charge to the battle of denerim instead of Anora."

Will Alistair still give the king speech if you're not marrying Anora, or will Anora give a speech?

I suppose it really sucks for Male Nobles wanting to be king, because that does seem to be a reoccuring gripe amongst people whenever I mentioned this issue on the bug forums.

I'm happy as long as I can play the 360 version, and everything I chose to happen DOES happen in terms of epilogue/ending. I just don't want anything totally awkward, and I'd like to avoid the Alistair giving a speech instead of Anora thing if possible (and it sounds like it is on some versions, but it may still be a console glitch), but if it isn't, that's fine I suppose.

Also, I don't know much about the actual full blown ending, so try not to blow it for me if you can help (although if it happens, whatever, it's my fault for posting in here, haha) but...

If Alistair doesn't become king, and you transfer your warden over to Awakenings, will Alistair still show up as the king at the beginning, or is that just an issue people have been having with being assigned a "default" ending because they sacrificed their character and imported him anyways?

Modifié par MEMANIAsama, 12 juillet 2010 - 05:17 .

[jpdipity]

MEMANIAsama wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

BUT in the game, there is just no alternative dialog, so it can't be called a glitch.

Okay, cool. See, I kept hearing these horror stories for the past 6+ months so I just stopped playing.

So, to my understanding then, and hopefully I have this right, is that the ONLY console glitch is the fact that you CAN'T marry Anora as a Male Human noble?

Someone in the tech support forum wrote...

"If you a human noble who marries anora and has Alistair kill Loghain.
The ending is impossible to complete. Anora goes invisible and Alistair
will be standing there in king's armor. He also does the king's speech
for leading the charge to the battle of denerim instead of Anora."

Will Alistair still give the king speech if you're not marrying Anora, or will Anora give a speech?

I suppose it really sucks for Male Nobles wanting to be king, because that does seem to be a reoccuring gripe amongst people whenever I mentioned this issue on the bug forums.

I'm happy as long as I can play the 360 version, and everything I chose to happen DOES happen in terms of epilogue/ending. I just don't want anything totally awkward, and I'd like to avoid the Alistair giving a speech instead of Anora thing if possible (and it sounds like it is on some versions, but it may still be a console glitch), but if it isn't, that's fine I suppose.

Also, I don't know much about the actual full blown ending, so try not to blow it for me if you can help (although if it happens, whatever, it's my fault for posting in here, haha) but...

If Alistair doesn't become king, and you transfer your warden over to Awakenings, will Alistair still show up as the king at the beginning, or is that just an issue people have been having with being assigned a "default" ending because they sacrificed their character and imported him anyways?

I am guessing a bit on this one because I don't play on the 360; so, please correct me if I am mistaken...

In regards to Anora not being able to marry a HN.  When a hardened Alistair kills Loghain, he will demand the throne regardless of any pre-negotiated terms.  So, I am guessing that is where the "glitch" occurs.  To avoid this, do NOT harden Alistair.  If an unhardened Alistair kills Loghain, he will not take the throne and your HN should be able to marry Anora.

Your choices for King/Queen should transfer properly to Awakening with an imported character.  A new Orlesian Warden will get default choices with Alistair as King.  I have not heard that a sacrificed Warden's decisions don't import, but I also have never wanted to necromance my dead Warden.

[ejoslin]

I'm not sure what happens on the 360. I do know that on the PC, the wrong person giving the speech at the gates was fixed with patch 1.03. If you're not running the most recent patch, if Alistair is a companion, Alistair is giving the speech.

Alistair being king is the default choice in Awakening if you've done the US, yes. If your character is alive and Anora is queen, that should be reflected.

That bug looks awful. There are some bugs on the PC I know of in the vanilla game if the warden is getting married to royalty, but nothing like that :/

Edit: Now, I'm guessing that the invisible Anora is happening post-coronation ceremony. Is it elsewhere?  There are a couple of places I know of in the vanilla game where you get an invisible character talking from the dead but they're not game stopping -- just immersion breaking.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 juillet 2010 - 06:56 .

[MEMANIAsama]

jpdipity wrote...



I have not heard that a sacrificed
Warden's decisions don't import, but I also have never wanted to
necromance my dead Warden.

Alas, it has nothing to do with hardening or in-game occurances. From my understand what happens is that you marry Anora, the ceremony happens, but after landsmeet the game goes crazy and Alistair is doing his king dialog, etc. But, at the end of the game, Anora will act like Alistair sacrificed himself despite him standing right next to her, or at other times she'll totally vanish and/or Alistair and her will both be standing on top of each other, or... well, you get the idea, it just sounds like a big messy mess.

I was under the impression that if you sacrifice your Warden, and then import to PLAY as him during the game, the ending sort of does whatever it wants, like making Alistair the king. Mostly because it's impossible (logically) to have your Warden be in the sequel if he's already dead, so instead they give you a default ending so it makes sense why the Warden is alive. Can you just import your choices and NOT the character themselves (and make a new one) in Awakenings?

This link also explains the glitch a bit more:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/category/67/index

Also...

 Dragon Age Wikia said...I placed Anora on the throne without anyone ruling with her. Yet in
every dialogue afterwords Alistair continues to speak as though I
nominated him to be king. He insisted on slaying the archdemon because
as king it was his responsibilities. This has happened before in
previous runthroughs. Is this a known bug or just something with my
game?--Emynii 01:54, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

The same thing happened to me and it's very irritating. I wanted
to kill the Archdemon myself but Alistair wouldn't let me because he was
king and because he was in love with my character. He spoke several
times about being King but in my Landsmeet, he gave up any right to the
throne for both him and his children. I assume it's a bug of some sort
as it's definitely repeatable.
24.127.25.76 04:54,
December 16, 2009 (UTC)

It may be a bug or it may not but my explanation to it, is that
he is considered king by the people because of his family line, either
way I have no idea what's so bothersome about him talking about it. Zf6hellion 05:40, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

I suspect it's a bug. In three run throughs so far, I haven't yet
had a bug free time. Each one screws up quests in one way or another,
although not usually terminally. Most often, the game errs by thinking
I've completed something I haven't. But I have two run throughs in which
the chantry in Redcliffe thinks I have a quest to complete, (chanter
shows up as a quest target on the map and with glyph overhead, but
doesn't have anything to say if I click on them. Xbox360, btw. Teamnoir 20:49, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Same experience here. I DID NOT harden Alistair to be sure, I
always supported only Anora as Queen avoiding any dialogue option
mentioning Alistair as king. Still, when I went to talk to him about
Morrigan's ritual, he was talking as he was the king. Moreover, on the
coronation ceremony, Anora said something about build a momument to
Alistair and all the dead Grey Wardens. That scared the hell out of me,
even because I did not see Alistair among my companions in the scene.
Luckly he was there after the scene and I could talk to him, but still.
On a side note, I completed the romance with Alistar, so my elf could
stay and travel with him rebuilding the Grey Wardens, but I also was
very careful to leave Zevran approval level at a point in which no one
was jealous even though they both were going into my tent (completing
his Crow quest too, but being very careful and reloading if I gained one
point or two that triggered the "jealousy scene"). In this case, the
epilogue mentioned me and Alistaitr staying together, but also Zevran
talking to him said he was happily going to stay with me helping out the
wardens (yes, he would be a nice mascot indeed). Talking about happy
endings Dunizel 20:40, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

ejoslin wrote...

I'm not sure what happens on the 360. I do know that on the PC, the wrong person giving the speech at the gates was fixed with patch 1.03. If you're not running the most recent patch, if Alistair is a companion, Alistair is giving the speech.

Alistair being king is the default choice in Awakening if you've done the US, yes. If your character is alive and Anora is queen, that should be reflected.

That bug looks awful. There are some bugs on the PC I know of in the vanilla game if the warden is getting married to royalty, but nothing like that :/

Edit: Now, I'm guessing that the invisible Anora is happening post-coronation ceremony. Is it elsewhere?  There are a couple of places I know of in the vanilla game where you get an invisible character talking from the dead but they're not game stopping -- just immersion breaking.  

I think 1.03 for the PC is different from what we recieved on the console, unless 1.04 is also going to include some PC stuff like that, but from the sounds of it, it's not being included (or at least it's not mentioned anywhere in the 1.04 patch notes, and it wasn't mentioned in our 1.03 patch notes either. I mean, we're JUST getting our Dex fix for the consoles.)

I posted more on the glitch up top above your quote, and there really isn't a TON written about it, except a few topics here and there on some forums with folks complaining about it. I personally just halted my game for like 6+ months after I found out about the Alistair King "glitches" and save corruption glitches and hoped it would be addressed in a patch some day.

I guess what I'm ultimately worried about in the end is this:

Sure, immersion breaking sucks, but I can deal with some of these glitches, but ONLY if in the end the epilogue is appropriate. Thankfully I'm probably never going to marry Anora, so if that's the only thing that is glitched beyond patching I won't be dealing with it. But, really I just want my decisions to matter IN THE END and THROUGHOUT the game. I don't want the game arguing about who is the king or queen, and I especially don't want to end up in a situation where I choose Option A but in the epilogue it turns out I have Option B or Option C, and when I load up my game into Awakenings, It ends up saying I went with Option B or C as opposed to Option A. It just breaks the whole story/experience for me, and makes it feel like I'm playing someone else's story and not the one I helped take a role in.

Hopefully that is clear enough in the way I explained it, 'cuz I know I tend to ramble a ton.

PS. Just reading through PC & Console patch notes I don't see mention of the Alistair thing mentioned anywhere, was that not in any of the notes and just patched?

Modifié par MEMANIAsama, 12 juillet 2010 - 09:07 .

[Gs09GTR]

Does anoras vote at the landsmmet tie into this glitch?

My HN asked to marry her and she agreed, but she keeps siding with her father at the landsmeet and without her vote i keep losing the landsmeet (even though all the other nobles besides one stand with the GWs) is this part of the bug or am i just doing somthing wrong?

Modifié par Gs09GTR, 13 juillet 2010 - 12:30 .

[ejoslin]

Your epilogue, unless you're romancing either Alistair or Morrigan (or a male romancing Zevran) should be fine. If you're romancing Alistair, you're guaranteed to get a reference to queen Anora, even if she's not queen -- this isn't a bug as there's no alternatives. Both Morrigan and Zevran have a bug in their epilogues -- Zevran's you'll only see if playing a male warden and if you choose to travel.

I'm trying really hard not to spoil this for you.

I have seen a few inconsistencies between Origins and Awakening, but nothing to a huge magnitude. My biggest problem was with a character who married Alistair for political reasons but had Zevran at 100 love. The way the love interests are acknowledged is a bit weird and not always consistent. I'm not sure if this is an issue for you are not. I believe this is how it works, however:

In your save game that you import to Awakening, it's noted whether you marry royalty and whether romances are active (not their approval, however). So acknowledgements for the very few romance specific things seems to have this order of priority:
Married to royalty
Alistair relationship
Leliana relationship
Morrigan relationship
Zevran relationship

I may have Leliana and Morrigan's order reversed. This works well unless you're in a situation where you married royalty but were in love with someone else. Whom you were in love with is not acknowledged in Awakening's epilogue. The other problem can come if you have someone in love, but someone at a higher priority at interested. Say you have Zevran at 100 love and Leliana at 26 interested (both romanced) at the end of Origins -- while you'll get the correct slides in Origins, in Awakening, you will get the slide regarding Leliana, not Zevran.

To answer GS09GTR, there are a few circumstances where Anora is guaranteed to betray you, engaged or no. If you tell her you're going to kill Loghain, she will not side with you. The Landsmeet fight is fun, though. This is not a bug. The Landsmeet is a bit of a crapshoot anyway, until you understand how it works. Just another interesting dynamic in the game.

Edit: Formatting

Modifié par ejoslin, 13 juillet 2010 - 03:29 .

[MEMANIAsama]

Looks like my post wasn't deleted. I feel dumb now. For some reason it wasn't showing up anywhere when I was searching.



In terms of romance and such I think everything will be fine. From what it sounds like, PC wise, everything transfers over like you said. I know you see Alistair in the beginning of DAA, as a king, so I'm hoping that the case is you don't see him as a king if you make Anora queen, however some people HAVE said they see him as king if they married Anora (which seems to be the reoccurring complaint with the glitch when I hear about it, they married Anora, and the game treated it like they weren't married after Landsmeet and in cutscenes and in epilogues.)



I'm HOPING that in the 360 version if Anora is Queen and Alistair is just a warden with you, that he doesn't give the speech as the king (sort of immersion breaking) but primarily that at the end of the game Anora doesn't act like Alistair is dead, or Alistair acts like HE has to do something because HE is the king and it's his duty, etc.



I think by researching this glitch, I know at least 50% of the ending stuff involving Alistair and 100% of the stuff involving the end outcomes for Landsmeet.

[MEMANIAsama]

Bringing this back to life if anyone can figure out how it's handled in the expansion with data transfer.

[xanuen]

in my game i have problem i choosed to marry anora and let execute alistair and that bastard is ****ing king in awakening how to resolve that problem and i let loghain to join wardens and let live and i used morrigan offer

[Jeffonl1]

This is glitch -too common in Awakenings. Somehow the save game file in the transfer about Alistair is either missing or wrong. He should only appear if he is King.

[xanuen]

what about the loghain does he survive if you have that glitch bug and i've finished 2 mains plots i've done that and there's not him in vigil's keep

Modifié par xanuen, 07 février 2013 - 08:56 .

[AlucardV69]

on the 360 i became the prince consort to queen anora but when i started playing the awakening dlc Alistair appeared as the king, how the heck did that happen, the ending credits even said i married queen anora. is this some glitch in the 360 game or did i ****ed up somewhere?

[clone wars]

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