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[Khalara]

Just a few quick lore related questions, that I haven't seen answered, yet.

1.  What sort of music would be played in Ferelden? 
2. What sort of instruments would be played, if any?
3. Would there be different styles based on social status?

and 4

What sort of dance, if any, would there be?

What exactly would the "Remigold" look like..?


Just curious, is all. 

[Corker]

2. Some sort of strange three-necked stringed instrument is in the camp (one assumes it belongs to Leiliana, if recruited) and for sale in the Denerim Market.  The 'tavern music' that plays in several of the game's taverns seems to evoke woodwinds and drums.

You don't start seeing matched, tuned consorts of woodwinds (e.g., recorders) til the Renaissance in our world.  We do have remains of bone and wooden end-blown fipple flutes (like a pennywhistle, not like a concert flute).

The new music for 'Leiliana's Song' reminds me of a plucked or strummed instrument (maybe that weird three-necked thing).  It sounds sort of classical guitary to me, although that particular instrument is also rather late.

1. I think the tavern music is the only soundtrack which is meant to represent music as-played by Fereldens.  One suspects the Chant of Light, since it was originally sung by Andraste, has a tune.

Can I tell you I was soooo excited to hear the dwarves at Tapster's reciting what I thought was Old Englishy or Nordic poetry, only to realize it was the usual pub music slowed down to a drunken slur?  <_<

I can rattle off the characteristics of medieval music in a nutshell, if you want that.  But there's nothing connecting it to lore.

3. We have slim evidence for early medieval dance (pre-1300).  Dance is not my 'thing' (music is), but what I do know suggests lines or circles of couples using fairly simple steps in combinations that range from simple to complicated.  Steps and hops front, back, and left or right, either singly or in pairs.  This might be done to music or to someone singing, and may have even been spontaneously choreographed by the dance leader.  (There are some descriptions in Bocacchio's "The Decameron" that illustrate this.)

I envision the Remigold as an estampie - we don't know too much about those (although we have some tunes), but the name suggests stamping.  So, something a touch on the energetic side.  

Sheerest invention - A simple Remigold, a dance for lines of partners.  Gentlemen on the left, ladies on the right, or as you will.

(Face the top of the hall, take hands)
Double forward, double back
Double forward, stamp stamp stamp (L R L)

(Turn towards your partner)
Men double back
Women double forward
Men stamp 3x
Ladies double back
Men double forward
Ladies stamp or hop from foot to foot 3x

Repeat ALL until exhausted or bored.

[Khalara]

Corker wrote...

2. Some sort of strange three-necked stringed instrument is in the camp (one assumes it belongs to Leiliana, if recruited) and for sale in the Denerim Market.  The 'tavern music' that plays in several of the game's taverns seems to evoke woodwinds and drums.

You don't start seeing matched, tuned consorts of woodwinds (e.g., recorders) til the Renaissance in our world.  We do have remains of bone and wooden end-blown fipple flutes (like a pennywhistle, not like a concert flute).

The new music for 'Leiliana's Song' reminds me of a plucked or strummed instrument (maybe that weird three-necked thing).  It sounds sort of classical guitary to me, although that particular instrument is also rather late.

1. I think the tavern music is the only soundtrack which is meant to represent music as-played by Fereldens.  One suspects the Chant of Light, since it was originally sung by Andraste, has a tune.

Can I tell you I was soooo excited to hear the dwarves at Tapster's reciting what I thought was Old Englishy or Nordic poetry, only to realize it was the usual pub music slowed down to a drunken slur?  <_<

I can rattle off the characteristics of medieval music in a nutshell, if you want that.  But there's nothing connecting it to lore.

3. We have slim evidence for early medieval dance (pre-1300).  Dance is not my 'thing' (music is), but what I do know suggests lines or circles of couples using fairly simple steps in combinations that range from simple to complicated.  Steps and hops front, back, and left or right, either singly or in pairs.  This might be done to music or to someone singing, and may have even been spontaneously choreographed by the dance leader.  (There are some descriptions in Bocacchio's "The Decameron" that illustrate this.)

I envision the Remigold as an estampie - we don't know too much about those (although we have some tunes), but the name suggests stamping.  So, something a touch on the energetic side.  

Sheerest invention - A simple Remigold, a dance for lines of partners.  Gentlemen on the left, ladies on the right, or as you will.

(Face the top of the hall, take hands)
Double forward, double back
Double forward, stamp stamp stamp (L R L)

(Turn towards your partner)
Men double back
Women double forward
Men stamp 3x
Ladies double back
Men double forward
Ladies stamp or hop from foot to foot 3x

Repeat ALL until exhausted or bored.

What I was evisioning, for a scene I'm writing, is a celebratory type "party" if you will.  To celebrate the Art's recovering in Redcliffe.  I could imagine some type of lively music and dance happening.. (kinda like the wedding celebration in "Braveheart" only indoors)  I was just curious as to what instruments they could use.  Definitely recorder and flute types, harps, and maybe the occasional violin/fiddle.  My character (female noble) plays one of these, so I was curious..   And I wanted to know how to envision Alistair dancing the Remigold.  :P

[Corker]

Lively medieval dance music:

Wolgemut
Istanpitta

There are sound samples on both websites.

For your violinish instrument, I'd call it a fiddle, vielle or rebec.  Overall, here is a Guide to Medieal and Renaissance Instruments by the group Musica Antiqua.  It's not comprehensive ( e.g., they don't show later Renaissance brayed harps) but there is more than plenty there to fill out a dance band.

[soignee]

corker this is why I love you.

[Corker]

Captain Infoduuuuump!

[Khalara]

Will check those out, thanks..

[LT123]

In the toolset, the localization notes for Alistair's dancing the Remigold line say the Remigold=the Can Can, which I thought was hilarious.

[Khalara]

LT123 wrote...

In the toolset, the localization notes for Alistair's dancing the Remigold line say the Remigold=the Can Can, which I thought was hilarious.

Now we just need the animations to make Alistair do it..

And thanks again Corker, those bands made me wish it were April again.  (Medieval/Ren Fair)