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The most distasteful decision you had to make?
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 05:26
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There are surprisingly many in this game, something I've never seen in another game so far. It's usually much more clear-cut, good or evil and this game is so much more complex in this regard. For me, it must have been executing Loghain. I only did it so Alistair wouldn't leave the party, he was one of my main tanks after all, and I was also interested in him doing Morrigan's ritual too, who doesn't love some healthy drama huh? Loghain might have been a real sonofa*itch but he wasn't beyond redemption, I thought making him a Grey Warden was a great idea. I felt really bad about killing him so I let Alistair do it. Which of course screwed the marriage plans with Anora. And his blood splattering all over Anora looked really morbid. There's just no way being utterly pleased with the outcome here.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 05:37
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Whether or not to kill WitherFang . . . I always feels sorry for the werewolves. But Zath is a turd. Those who were responsible for those crimes against his children were punished centuries ago. Any people infected and turned into werewolves afterwards were innocent of the original crime. However, killing WitherFang yields the unique amulet and a lot of xps.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 06:49
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Whether or not to let Morrigan or Alistair do the cooking... *rimshot*
For myself, it is when I actually select Bhelen as King of Orzimmar. When I do, I still reveal him for the treacherous murderer that he is, but this still leaves me wincing. I know there are far worse decisions in the game one could make, but most of those are not hard for me to choose the better path (eg; help Branka, accept Vaughn's bribe, etc).
For myself, it is when I actually select Bhelen as King of Orzimmar. When I do, I still reveal him for the treacherous murderer that he is, but this still leaves me wincing. I know there are far worse decisions in the game one could make, but most of those are not hard for me to choose the better path (eg; help Branka, accept Vaughn's bribe, etc).
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 07:05
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Bhelen was also a very hard choice for me to make. It's obvious that Orzammar needs change and not "ancient dwarven values and tradition", which is what Harrowmont stands for. But he is also a pretty decent dude whereas Bhelen is a murderer and a cheat. I still chose Bhelen in the end, mostly hoping that he'd do something to abolish the status of the casteless, but his order to execute Harrowmont on the spot left a really bad taste in my mouth. I wish there had been an option to persuade him out of it.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 07:24
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The most agonizing one for me was whether to kill Connor or go to the Circle for help...mostly because on first playthrough, I was convinced bad things would happen while I was away.
Whether or not to kill Flemeth.
The Dark Ritual
Branka/Caridin...as dreadful as helping Branka is, the golem army is awfully tempting if you consider the situation desperate.
Whether or not to kill Flemeth.
The Dark Ritual
Branka/Caridin...as dreadful as helping Branka is, the golem army is awfully tempting if you consider the situation desperate.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 07:29
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Silvernight wrote...
Bhelen was also a very hard choice for me to make. It's obvious that Orzammar needs change and not "ancient dwarven values and tradition", which is what Harrowmont stands for. But he is also a pretty decent dude whereas Bhelen is a murderer and a cheat. I still chose Bhelen in the end, mostly hoping that he'd do something to abolish the status of the casteless, but his order to execute Harrowmont on the spot left a really bad taste in my mouth. I wish there had been an option to persuade him out of it.
There is; our imagination.
As the Warden, we are allowed to conscript who we will, as was the Dwarven Commoner Warden in the game. As such, in my mind's eye, Lord Harrowmont is on the surface aiding the Dwarven army opposing the Blight. While his House does not know of this, his wife is understanding of the situation and does not appear to hold a grudge.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 08:14
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Having Lady Isolde sacrifice herself to save her son. It was a noble decision and Alistair was very whiny about the whole situation, but honestly I still felt horrible.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 08:16
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The hardest one for me was Bhelen. My first char was a Dwarf Commoner, i just did it for his sister. The whole time i felt guilt about aiding this bastard. And then he executed Harrowmont. I felt bad. Good thing he is a good king, I did not expect that.
Second place goes to the Connor situation. Like maxernst i was expecting something bad to happen while i was going to the circle.
The others that where mentioned: Whitherfang was no problem, i went for the middle way. Flemeth was no problem, i kind of liked Morrigan (not taking her along for any missions helps with this). Loghain was no problem, i let Alistair fight the duell (HE was going to be king after all), and i agreed with his decision. I wouldn't dream of aiding Branka, aiding the cultist or killing the mages (only once, for the achievement).
The Dark Ritual was also an easy decision for me. My PC developed a strong sense of duty, so weaseling out was not an option. I was a little tempted to let Alistair sacrifice himself, but in the end i did it myself.
Second place goes to the Connor situation. Like maxernst i was expecting something bad to happen while i was going to the circle.
The others that where mentioned: Whitherfang was no problem, i went for the middle way. Flemeth was no problem, i kind of liked Morrigan (not taking her along for any missions helps with this). Loghain was no problem, i let Alistair fight the duell (HE was going to be king after all), and i agreed with his decision. I wouldn't dream of aiding Branka, aiding the cultist or killing the mages (only once, for the achievement).
The Dark Ritual was also an easy decision for me. My PC developed a strong sense of duty, so weaseling out was not an option. I was a little tempted to let Alistair sacrifice himself, but in the end i did it myself.
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Posté 12 juillet 2010 - 09:11
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Honestly, this game was really well done in terms of moral decisions. Not all of them were necessarily black or white (i.e. "Give the beggar 5 coins or kill the beggar") no matter what kind of character you're playing.
My first play-through was with a Dalish elf, so she was a bit removed from all the others' situations, for the most part. Being a morally good character, some of the choices were no brainers - search the Circle Tower for survivors or kill any surviving mages (duh)... take a pinch of the sacred ashes and leave them be or taint them (duh)... help a psychotic dwarf or end the misery of people suffering inside golems (duh).
I like how some seemingly "good" options turn out to not necessarily be the best choice as a whole (Orzammar sees better days under slimy Bhelen than under "everybody loves him, he should be king" Harrowmont). I also like how new options became available mid-quest, since obviously a good character isn't going to slay the Dalish but hearing the plight of the werewolves makes slaying them not seem like an ideal option either (so, here comes option # 3, go persuade Zathrian to lift the curse... woo hoo!).
But the main point of this thread - making a choice when no good choice is available - was very surprising and well done. I can specifically think of two for me:
1. The Connor Decision. My first play-through, I went to Redcliffe first. When time came for figuring out how to handle the delicate Connor situation, I obviously missed whatever dialogues led to the "why don't we go to the Circle for help" option. I honestly thought my chocies were to either go with Alistair's suggestion and kill the kid or go with Jowan's suggestion and let Isolde sacrifice herself to save her son. Without even knowing leaving and going to the Circle was an option, those two choices were gut-wrenching. Annoying as Isolde was, I wasn't particularly happy sacrificing her in order to throw Morrigan (unwillingly) into the Fade to battle a demon. But I also wasn't just going to murder a child either and ignore the please of a desperate mother. So, in a way, that "lesser of two evils" choice for my character was the "good" choice, but it was a horrible one to make.
2. The Loghain Decision. Probably doesn't seem tough to some, but it was to me even on my first play-through where I was just as ready as Alistair was to see him pay. The way the Landsmeet unfolded, I started wondering if he really hadn't just done some of his actions for the "greater good" (even though it was 100% wrong considering the current problem was the Blight and not Orlais, but unless you either totally trust the Grey Wardens or are one yourself, you can't really know it's a true Blight complete with Scary Archdemon and everything) and if maybe Howe had simply had too long a leash with all his shenanigans. And, of course, there's just the icky situation of butchering someone's father right in front of them (being close to my own father, it certainly made it a queasy thought, whether or not you like Anora personally).
I was completely shocked when Riordin jumped in with the "make him one of us" suggestion. Totally didn't see that coming and I actually was very tempted -- my first character being the merciful sort, after all -- but Alistair's argument guilt-tripped her into doing the deed. And to the original poster -- yes, seeing the blood of her father splatter all over Anora is truly gruesome and worthy of a "Maker's Breath, what have I done?!" moment.
*shudders*
The whole Landsmeet, honestly, is a distasteful decision for anyone who likes Alistair. You have to take such a precise path to make things relatively okay or happy-ish as opposed to there seeming to be sooooo many ways for it to go horribly, horribly wrong -- especially if he isn't hardened (like character #2, who wanted to marry Alistair and Anora off and spare Loghain... *sound of brakes screeching* Oh, wait, you didn't harden Alistair? Surprise! Would you like to execute him or exile him into drunkeness instead, 'cause the marriage ain't happening! I was completely like "Wha-wha-what?! I spent an entire game playthrough trying to orchestrate this moment and it's now all fallen to pieces?!"
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My first play-through was with a Dalish elf, so she was a bit removed from all the others' situations, for the most part. Being a morally good character, some of the choices were no brainers - search the Circle Tower for survivors or kill any surviving mages (duh)... take a pinch of the sacred ashes and leave them be or taint them (duh)... help a psychotic dwarf or end the misery of people suffering inside golems (duh).
I like how some seemingly "good" options turn out to not necessarily be the best choice as a whole (Orzammar sees better days under slimy Bhelen than under "everybody loves him, he should be king" Harrowmont). I also like how new options became available mid-quest, since obviously a good character isn't going to slay the Dalish but hearing the plight of the werewolves makes slaying them not seem like an ideal option either (so, here comes option # 3, go persuade Zathrian to lift the curse... woo hoo!).
But the main point of this thread - making a choice when no good choice is available - was very surprising and well done. I can specifically think of two for me:
1. The Connor Decision. My first play-through, I went to Redcliffe first. When time came for figuring out how to handle the delicate Connor situation, I obviously missed whatever dialogues led to the "why don't we go to the Circle for help" option. I honestly thought my chocies were to either go with Alistair's suggestion and kill the kid or go with Jowan's suggestion and let Isolde sacrifice herself to save her son. Without even knowing leaving and going to the Circle was an option, those two choices were gut-wrenching. Annoying as Isolde was, I wasn't particularly happy sacrificing her in order to throw Morrigan (unwillingly) into the Fade to battle a demon. But I also wasn't just going to murder a child either and ignore the please of a desperate mother. So, in a way, that "lesser of two evils" choice for my character was the "good" choice, but it was a horrible one to make.
2. The Loghain Decision. Probably doesn't seem tough to some, but it was to me even on my first play-through where I was just as ready as Alistair was to see him pay. The way the Landsmeet unfolded, I started wondering if he really hadn't just done some of his actions for the "greater good" (even though it was 100% wrong considering the current problem was the Blight and not Orlais, but unless you either totally trust the Grey Wardens or are one yourself, you can't really know it's a true Blight complete with Scary Archdemon and everything) and if maybe Howe had simply had too long a leash with all his shenanigans. And, of course, there's just the icky situation of butchering someone's father right in front of them (being close to my own father, it certainly made it a queasy thought, whether or not you like Anora personally).
I was completely shocked when Riordin jumped in with the "make him one of us" suggestion. Totally didn't see that coming and I actually was very tempted -- my first character being the merciful sort, after all -- but Alistair's argument guilt-tripped her into doing the deed. And to the original poster -- yes, seeing the blood of her father splatter all over Anora is truly gruesome and worthy of a "Maker's Breath, what have I done?!" moment.
*shudders* The whole Landsmeet, honestly, is a distasteful decision for anyone who likes Alistair. You have to take such a precise path to make things relatively okay or happy-ish as opposed to there seeming to be sooooo many ways for it to go horribly, horribly wrong -- especially if he isn't hardened (like character #2, who wanted to marry Alistair and Anora off and spare Loghain... *sound of brakes screeching* Oh, wait, you didn't harden Alistair? Surprise! Would you like to execute him or exile him into drunkeness instead, 'cause the marriage ain't happening! I was completely like "Wha-wha-what?! I spent an entire game playthrough trying to orchestrate this moment and it's now all fallen to pieces?!"
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For me it was deciding to sleep with Morrigan to save my virtual self.
First time through I was noble and sacrificed myself.
Second time I made Alistair sacrifice himself.
Third time through, I convinced Alistair to do the deed.
After that, I made the decision to do the deed, but I still feel uncomfortable thinking that I helped create a virtual Old God child.
I know it's silly, but I made the decision long ago not to bring children into this world, and I don't really feel comfortable even pretending to do so in the game. However, being the practical sort that I am, I want to be able to import my character into Awakening when I get it, thus the decision to save myself.
First time through I was noble and sacrificed myself.
Second time I made Alistair sacrifice himself.
Third time through, I convinced Alistair to do the deed.
After that, I made the decision to do the deed, but I still feel uncomfortable thinking that I helped create a virtual Old God child.
I know it's silly, but I made the decision long ago not to bring children into this world, and I don't really feel comfortable even pretending to do so in the game. However, being the practical sort that I am, I want to be able to import my character into Awakening when I get it, thus the decision to save myself.
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Posté 13 juillet 2010 - 12:07
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I think what makes the Dark Ritual so questionable it that 'we' don't get to see the child. Most of the time I sort of like and trust Morrigan. But not enough to think she'll raise a well-adjusted child on her own. Regardless on weather or not the child even can be one.
Orzammar still tends to be the stickiest choice I make. Few of my characters really even like Bhelen, (Dwarf Noble never even concidered it, ever.) but even disregarding the meta-game knowledge of how the kingdom turns out, all could see that he would be better for economy/social ties to the surface. But unless Harrowmont forged Endrin's note and left it in his own room for a rondom person to find *cough*, he's a backstabbing opportunist.
Circle, Branka, the cult... they were all generally pretty clear cut morally speaking. The wolves and Connor are a bit more murkier.
Orzammar still tends to be the stickiest choice I make. Few of my characters really even like Bhelen, (Dwarf Noble never even concidered it, ever.) but even disregarding the meta-game knowledge of how the kingdom turns out, all could see that he would be better for economy/social ties to the surface. But unless Harrowmont forged Endrin's note and left it in his own room for a rondom person to find *cough*, he's a backstabbing opportunist.
Circle, Branka, the cult... they were all generally pretty clear cut morally speaking. The wolves and Connor are a bit more murkier.
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Posté 13 juillet 2010 - 01:33
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The Anvil was the hardest one to me, I was sure it was going to be easy, and I was going to keep it. Turns out that Cairidin put a lot of points into Coercion, besides Shale was right there.
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Posté 13 juillet 2010 - 01:39
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He'd probably have rather just been executed, really.As the Warden, we are allowed to conscript who we will, as was the Dwarven Commoner Warden in the game. As such, in my mind's eye, Lord Harrowmont is on the surface aiding the Dwarven army opposing the Blight. While his House does not know of this, his wife is understanding of the situation and does not appear to hold a grudge.
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Posté 13 juillet 2010 - 01:40
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Bahlgan wrote...
Having Lady Isolde sacrifice herself to save her son. It was a noble decision and Alistair was very whiny about the whole situation, but honestly I still felt horrible.
It was her fault anyway. She let all those people in that village and in the castle die, for one life. Anyone could have ended it with a stab to the kids heart. He even talks about cutting off the elves ears and feeding them to the dogs. That's not a tipping point? Sometimes I go to the tower save the mages bring them to redcliffe and then run up and kill Conner just to troll her.
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Posté 13 juillet 2010 - 01:49
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I have one character who considers killing Loghain the most distasteful decision he made. And another character who considers the Dark Ritual to be the most distateful decision. Well, that and siding with the Baroness.
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Posté 13 juillet 2010 - 01:55
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Yes, Isolde has always been a sticky point for me. The whole situation at Redcliff is very nearly totally her fault. She went to Loghain to get an apostate for Connor, he sent Jowan with orders to poison Eamon while there, Connor made the childs deal with a desire demon to not have his father die while not understanding the consequences (can't blame him on that score though), the possessed Connor goes and nearly slaughters the castle populuce (elves ears cut off and feed to the dogs, dwarves made into stew.... nice kid) She manages to send most of the knights out for the Urn (before or after Connor is uncertain) and that quest ends up killing a good chunk of them in Haven. When the demon gets bored, it attacks the villages and starts killing people there.
As far as either of my Redcliff playthroughs so far go, her sole redeaming feature is that she obviously loves Connor. Though two run-throughs are enough, next one it totally cutting her throat for Jowan.
As far as either of my Redcliff playthroughs so far go, her sole redeaming feature is that she obviously loves Connor. Though two run-throughs are enough, next one it totally cutting her throat for Jowan.
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Posté 13 juillet 2010 - 02:19
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Whether or not to have sex with Cammen.
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Posté 13 juillet 2010 - 02:21
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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Whether or not to have sex with Cammen.
Why?!?! Just why?
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Posté 13 juillet 2010 - 02:22
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I don't think Connor actually does that to the elves/dwarves (or that there were any dwarves up at the castle) given he seems more like mindless violence then outright sadism and his mother doesn't seem to think it's weird he doesn't recognize the species.
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Posté 13 juillet 2010 - 02:24
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My first play through had some tough ones though I avoided the Conner thing since I did the mage tower before it. I wasn't too eager to meet more nobles after what Howe did to my family then what Loghain did. Poisoned or not I was sick of the politics and nobles and wanted a break from royalty, so I chose to check on the two most oppressed types of people in Fereldon. Lets go check out the mages or elves first surely they wouldn't make my life hell would they?
Alistair or Anora; Morrigan or Leliana; Dark Ritual or Someone dieing
Alistair/Anora was remedied by marrying them they actually turned out to be a pretty good team.
I chose Leliana on my first play through granted I didn't give Morrigan a fair chance, but I liked Leliana's sweet and optimistic attitude was refreshing from everything else going around, and since I rpd with the hope of settling down after all this. Leliana seemed more into starting a family/disney ending style and my hunch was right...
Dark Ritual or someone dieing. This one was by far the toughest on my first character. I was like hell no at first it breaks a lot of rules that I have 1) I'm a Grey Warden this is my "ultimate" duty 2) I'm with Leliana 3) Blood Magic 4) Flemeth is out there you said it yourself, but the more she talked more I listened, and then she dropped the whole what about you and Leliana do it for her, so I chatted Alistair up was like "sup bro you rather sleep with Morrigan or die tommorow?" He said "no", so I was back to where I started.. I eventually chose not to do it. Then I left Leliana at the gates to protect her from seeing my die. She gave me the whole please come back home my love, and I was like crap.. I already feel like poo. Alistair offered to do it, but I was like nah you gotta be King, so I went and did the deed. Died had a funeral felt sad through it all then to top it off in the epilogue apparently Leliana killed herself or died of grief. I haven't done the Ultimate Sacrifice since I was actually sad from the ending not like a teenage girl crying in the Titantic, but I was pretty upset.
Now that I have completed the game quite a few times.
I still marry Anora/Alistair
I prefer Morrigan's romance over Leliana's
I do the DR without thinking twice.
Bhelen was easy. Caste system had to go and he seemed more eager about cooperating with the Blight/Darkspawn in the deep roads.
Alistair or Anora; Morrigan or Leliana; Dark Ritual or Someone dieing
Alistair/Anora was remedied by marrying them they actually turned out to be a pretty good team.
I chose Leliana on my first play through granted I didn't give Morrigan a fair chance, but I liked Leliana's sweet and optimistic attitude was refreshing from everything else going around, and since I rpd with the hope of settling down after all this. Leliana seemed more into starting a family/disney ending style and my hunch was right...
Dark Ritual or someone dieing. This one was by far the toughest on my first character. I was like hell no at first it breaks a lot of rules that I have 1) I'm a Grey Warden this is my "ultimate" duty 2) I'm with Leliana 3) Blood Magic 4) Flemeth is out there you said it yourself, but the more she talked more I listened, and then she dropped the whole what about you and Leliana do it for her, so I chatted Alistair up was like "sup bro you rather sleep with Morrigan or die tommorow?" He said "no", so I was back to where I started.. I eventually chose not to do it. Then I left Leliana at the gates to protect her from seeing my die. She gave me the whole please come back home my love, and I was like crap.. I already feel like poo. Alistair offered to do it, but I was like nah you gotta be King, so I went and did the deed. Died had a funeral felt sad through it all then to top it off in the epilogue apparently Leliana killed herself or died of grief. I haven't done the Ultimate Sacrifice since I was actually sad from the ending not like a teenage girl crying in the Titantic, but I was pretty upset.
Now that I have completed the game quite a few times.
I still marry Anora/Alistair
I prefer Morrigan's romance over Leliana's
I do the DR without thinking twice.
Bhelen was easy. Caste system had to go and he seemed more eager about cooperating with the Blight/Darkspawn in the deep roads.
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Posté 13 juillet 2010 - 02:27
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Giggles_Manically wrote...
Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Whether or not to have sex with Cammen.
Why?!?! Just why?
Because doing the more distasteful option leads to a far more amusing encounter, party banter, and result for Cammen and Gheyna.
Doing something really vile for the sake of wicked fun.
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Posté 13 juillet 2010 - 03:45
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1) All those odd quests, like dumping bodies in the drinking well, leave me with a very bad feeling.
2) Helping that odd Mage's Collective. Are they Apostates & Blood Mages?
3) Deciding to free the Fade demon or not in the Asunder Quest also is a quandary I don't like.
4) I still shake my pixel fist at those Blight Orphans! Never again!
2) Helping that odd Mage's Collective. Are they Apostates & Blood Mages?
3) Deciding to free the Fade demon or not in the Asunder Quest also is a quandary I don't like.
4) I still shake my pixel fist at those Blight Orphans! Never again!
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Posté 13 juillet 2010 - 04:12
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The only regret I had was telling Alistair to kill Loghain. I had no idea Alistair would do it; I was thinking he was going to do what he did with Zevran. What is funny is that I was standing there thinking everything would go my way... then the blood. Since I didn't save before, I had to finish my whole playthrough wishing I could kill Alistair. To put insult to injury, I didn't harden Alistair, so he came into the room screaming at me--"How dare you put me on the throne." It was the idiot's decision to ascend to the throne for revenge. I have never felt so angry at a virtual character in my entire life...
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Posté 13 juillet 2010 - 04:28
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The toughest one for me, still, is the desire demon and the templar in the circle tower. I have no clue what's right and wrong there. I generally let them go. He's happy for the first time in his life.
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Posté 13 juillet 2010 - 04:31
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ejoslin wrote...
The toughest one for me, still, is the desire demon and the templar in the circle tower. I have no clue what's right and wrong there. I generally let them go. He's happy for the first time in his life.
But you gave him to a demon who will suck him dry like a leech and that happiness is a cruel painful illusion! Killing him is merciful, rather than leaving him to live as a slave in body and mind.
