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[Bahlgan]

@ Bahlgan: How much do you know about Katriel? She was hardly a victim, you know.

I knew she was an Elven Orlesian assassin, but I didn't know she deserved to die so much. So much for romance.....

Modifié par Bahlgan, 24 juillet 2010 - 06:48 .

[Silvernight]

Was away for a couple of weeks. Wow, many answers, gotta read them all. I actually decided against killing Loghain, went back and made him a Grey Warden (Alistair and Anora marry). And I feel like I've made the right choice though I actually couldn't decide for a few days, imagine that? LOL I'm taking this way too seriously. Of course, it sucks that he gets all pissy and leaves but seriously, I can't stomach murdering a person in cold blood (in front of their daughter no less) just so Alistair would be satisfied that he got his sweet revenge. Reason not good enough. Besides this whole situation mad me like Alistair a good deal less than before. Not to mention there is no real need to kill Loghain, he's more useful alive.

[Giggles_Manically]

Alistair killing Loghain is a total:

Way to Break it Hero! moment.



Whilst Loghain's killing the archdemon is more of a:

Way to fix it Villian moment.



If you want a pissed off Alistair, then do the DR and keep Loghain alive. Boy oh boy is he mad.

[phaonica]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

If you want a pissed off Alistair, then do the DR and keep Loghain alive. Boy oh boy is he mad.

For the hell of it, I did this and loaded my character into Awakening. Did the DR, Loghain lives, Alistair married to Anora. And when Alistair comes to greet the Warden at the beginning of Awakening... that turned into a pretty rude conversation between my Warden and her Ex, too.

Modifié par phaonica, 27 juillet 2010 - 10:55 .

[Giggles_Manically]

How did it go?



I thought besides people who romanced him and got made queen, that Alistair had the same dialouge.



Was he actually a ponce there, or just cold.

[Bahlgan]

All of a sudden, I am hearing magical talk about sparing Loghain whilst allowing both Alistair and Anora to marry? Is this a PC thing?

 just so Alistair would be satisfied that he got his sweet revenge

As a human noble, I share his passion for revenge. It was merely because of what happened to him before River Dane that I ended his life quickly and painlessly. PLENTY of people get ****ed in life in RL and aren't given anything for it, not even mercy. 

Modifié par Bahlgan, 28 juillet 2010 - 04:01 .

[phaonica]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

How did it go?

I thought besides people who romanced him and got made queen, that Alistair had the same dialouge.

Was he actually a ponce there, or just cold.

It was probably the same dialog as people who didn't romance him, so it came off as being ... I can't think of a word for it... dismissive? I've never been so pissed off to hear the line "I rather miss the whole darkspawn killing thing." I wanted to punch him in the face. I was choosing civil dialog choices before that line, then I started picking the really rude ones. I could imagine that my party members were like  wtf, you talk to the king like that?

[Sarah1281]

All of a sudden, I am hearing magical talk about sparing Loghain whilst allowing both Alistair and Anora to marry? Is this a PC thing?

No, it's something any platform can do. All you have to do is harden Alistair (both conversations), persuade Anora and Alistair to marry before the Landsmeet, duel Loghain yourself or use a champion (that isn't Alistair), agree to spare him, and when Alistair does his 'Make me King so I can kill Loghain' go 'I thought you two were going to marry' and then he quits the Wardens to marry Anora and isn't very pleased with you, to say the least.

[frostajulie]

phaonica as I will not be getting Awakenings to play I would love to get more details on the conversation, what exactly did he say that so enraged you and how rude did you get? juicy, spoilery details please!

[ashwind]

adneate wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

The toughest one for me, still, is the desire demon and the templar in the circle tower. I have no clue what's right and wrong there. I generally let them go. He's happy for the first time in his life.

But you gave him to a demon who will suck him dry like a leech and that happiness is a cruel painful illusion! Killing him is merciful, rather than leaving him to live as a slave in body and mind.

But like the Desire demon said, she gave him the happiness he has always wanted. Emotion is intangible as long as he never wakes up to realise the thruth, he will die a happy man.

After all he is a Templar (drug addict) and will suffer from lyrium poisoning sooner or later. Between the Lyrium poisoning and the Desire demon, I go with the demon - at least he be really happy before he dies which he eventually will.

[Sarah1281]

You don't choose between him living out his life as a Templar and letting the desire demon keep him. She either keeps him or he falls to your sword convinced he's protecting his wife and children from bandits.

[Bahlgan]

Sarah1281 wrote...

All of a sudden, I am hearing magical talk about sparing Loghain whilst allowing both Alistair and Anora to marry? Is this a PC thing?

No, it's something any platform can do. All you have to do is harden Alistair (both conversations), persuade Anora and Alistair to marry before the Landsmeet, duel Loghain yourself or use a champion (that isn't Alistair), agree to spare him, and when Alistair does his 'Make me King so I can kill Loghain' go 'I thought you two were going to marry' and then he quits the Wardens to marry Anora and isn't very pleased with you, to say the least.

Ah, I see. Well I never did harden Alistair, liked him just the way he was; granted he needed to stop the excess whining, but his jokes and pure heart are too much to change. :happy:

[phaonica]

frostajulie wrote...

phaonica as I will not be getting Awakenings to play I would love to get more details on the conversation, what exactly did he say that so enraged you and how rude did you get? juicy, spoilery details please!

I was roleplaying hard, so it probably wasn't as bad as I described, LOL.

I remember:
King Alistair arrives at Vigil's Keep after I've beat down the darkspawn attack.
Alistair (big smile): It looks like I arrived late. I rather miss the whole Darkspawn killing thing.
Me (thinking to myself): WTF? I can think of a Darkspawn for you to kill, how about the @#$)(*#$ ARCHDEMON. Yeah, did you forget about him? I rather missed you when you ABANDONED ME and I had to fight the ARCHDEMON WITHOUT YOU.

 I actually think that my character was far more rude than his was, just because he acted like nothing bad had ever happened between them. For my character, it was a little too soon to pretend that nothing had happened. He was just being his cheerful self, I'm sure, though in a generic context, which was frustrating. And I'm sure my character's bitterness was mostly in her head, and not allowed to be actually expressed to Alistair.

I would just like to point out, for the record, that this type of exchange can be roleplayed wildly different for each person because of the nature of the silent protagonist. is still not happy about DA2 changes

Modifié par phaonica, 28 juillet 2010 - 07:54 .

[Silvernight]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Alistair killing Loghain is a total:
Way to Break it Hero! moment.

Whilst Loghain's killing the archdemon is more of a:
Way to fix it Villian moment.

If you want a pissed off Alistair, then do the DR and keep Loghain alive. Boy oh boy is he mad.

Oh I actually did it too, just didn't kill the archdemon yet, so I don't know the dialogue. It came off as a surprise btw as until then I was convinced that you couldn't do the DR with Loghain.

[Silvernight]

Avilia wrote...

The Dark Ritual. Nearly every playthrough since my first I don't do it. I don't trust Morrigan's motives at all.

I took it on my first and hated having to convince Alistair to do it.  Something about it just leaves a bad taste in  my mouth.

With so many grey areas in this game its odd that's the one I always think 'yuck' about.

I actually had no problem with this part. I had Loghain with me at that point and he was rather pragmatic about the whole thing. He would have preferred just to sacrifice himself but he didin't have much problem with the DR. As for the Old God child, I feel this adds a very spicy and interesting twist to the ending. No, I don't entirely trust Morrigan's motives either and despite that I killed Flemeth I'm not at all convinced that she's going to helpfully stay dead, and might return at the most inopportune moment to complicate matters. I feel like this affair with the child may develop into a very interesting story arc down the line, could be even an official ending and become the central theme for DA 2, with both Flemeth and Morrigan figuring prominently. Or someone could just write a fanfic about it.

[Silvernight]

CalJones wrote...

Alistair is a very different character. <...> When he demands Loghain's death by snapping "kill him already" I just want to punch him in the face, friend or otherwise. I don't feel I'm betraying him any more than if I was denying a toddler his lollipop. Again, a matter of perception, but when it comes to the choice between denying a once great man the chance to redeem himself and denying an immature friend the chance to kill a man, the choice is pretty clear for me. As I said previously, I killed Loghain in my first game and felt absolutely horrible about it. Never again.

This. Couldn't have put it better. I really liked Alistair at the beginning but the Landsmeet has completely ruined his character for me. I simply cannot understand how not killing Loghain is a betrayal of Alistair. Loghain has not done any more personal harm to Alistair than he has done to the Warden. When Alistair throws his little tantrum all I see is a stomping and pouting kid who's not getting his much wanted lollipop, as CalJones duly noted. This is even more accentuated by his determination to take the crown which he never wanted just so he can 'get his lollipop'. Way to go for a future king dude. I'm sure he'll grow up one day but until then he clearly needs mentoring and supervision which is why he cannot be allowed to rule alone. So I let him swing the sword once, was utterly disgusted by the result, reloaded and did it right the second time. Loghain's crimes cannot be denied and I'm especially pissed about him allowing to sell elves to slavery but he still does deserve a second chance as most of his crimes were done with heavily misguided good intentions, rather than in the "I want MOAR power" vein.

[Silvernight]

Gnoster wrote...

Another hard choice for me is letting Vaughn out of prison as any other class than City Elf. It is quite clear that the man is bad news and honestly deserves to die, but at that time I need help for the Landsmeet, so for the good of Ferelden I let him out and retake his position thus in truth allowing him to continue raping elf women at his leisure. It sits really bad with me everytime, since his speech shows how bad news he is, but still I need his help.

There are a lot more, but these are among my hardest decisions.

Slaughtered that guy without second thought. Rapists deserve to die, period. Especially when you know they're going to continue their little 'hobby' at their leisure and entirely unpunished. Granted this was metagaming knowledge but to be honest I didn't care. In any case, I already had enough votes for the Landsmeet.

[Sarah1281]

Bahlgan wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

All of a sudden, I am hearing magical talk about sparing Loghain whilst allowing both Alistair and Anora to marry? Is this a PC thing?

No, it's something any platform can do. All you have to do is harden Alistair (both conversations), persuade Anora and Alistair to marry before the Landsmeet, duel Loghain yourself or use a champion (that isn't Alistair), agree to spare him, and when Alistair does his 'Make me King so I can kill Loghain' go 'I thought you two were going to marry' and then he quits the Wardens to marry Anora and isn't very pleased with you, to say the least.

Ah, I see. Well I never did harden Alistair, liked him just the way he was; granted he needed to stop the excess whining, but his jokes and pure heart are too much to change. :happy:

The idea that you're changing his personality is just a misconception. Hardened Alistair is a better King because it means he now has more confidence in himself and is a little more cynical about people. For instance, when asking him about Anora unhardened he insists that she'll make a great Queen and he'd fail epically so just let her rule. Hardened he says that the problem with people like her and Loghain are that they think that they're the only ones who can do anything and everyone else should just get out of their way and is willing to accept being King. He makes a very good King hardened and a rather poor one unhardened if only because he never stays in court but lets his advisors make all his decisions. You may tell him that everyone is out for themselves when hardening him but he isn't listening properly and in the followup conversation insists that you told him to stop letting people walk all over him and to stand up for himself. Is that a bad thing to do for a friend? Hardly. It doesn't matter so much if you don't make him King but if you do...an unhardened Alistair will be miserable and it will just amount to a) Anora Eamon or C) You ruling the country.

[Sarah1281]

Silvernight wrote...

Gnoster wrote...

Another hard choice for me is letting Vaughn out of prison as any other class than City Elf. It is quite clear that the man is bad news and honestly deserves to die, but at that time I need help for the Landsmeet, so for the good of Ferelden I let him out and retake his position thus in truth allowing him to continue raping elf women at his leisure. It sits really bad with me everytime, since his speech shows how bad news he is, but still I need his help.

There are a lot more, but these are among my hardest decisions.

Slaughtered that guy without second thought. Rapists deserve to die, period. Especially when you know they're going to continue their little 'hobby' at their leisure and entirely unpunished. Granted this was metagaming knowledge but to be honest I didn't care. In any case, I already had enough votes for the Landsmeet.

It doesn't have to be metagaming knowledge. Ask Soris how he ended up there and though he's not very coherent  he mentions something about the bann taking his bride and then when you talk to Vaughan ask how he ended up there and when he says that Howe stuck him in the dungeon as just 'one more victim of the riots' you can say 'You're the one that elf mentioned' and he starts ranting about how sometimes elves think they're people and you have to put them in their place.

[mousestalker]

My very first playthrough my city elf thought she had slaughtered Vaughan in his palace. Towards the end, we're massacring our way through the palace again when I spotted Vaughan in his cell. I don't think I've ever hit 'attack' so fast in my life. It was a complete glitch (the elves in the Alienage reacted as though I killed Vaughan the first time, and Soris wasn't in his cell) but I actually killed Vaughan twice that game.



That's probably the least distasteful thing I've had to do in game.