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ponozsticka wrote...

If the woman on the picture is really Morrigan, she must have got through really rough 10 years



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ponozsticka wrote...

If the woman on the picture is really Morrigan, she must have got through really rough 10 years


Where do you get the 10 years figure from? We know that DA2 spans 10 years meaning that from the moment it starts to the moment it ends about 10 years pass but we have no idea how much longer after DAO is the start of DA2. Hawke escaped lothering but we have no idea how old he was.....could very well have been a child placing the start of DA2 potentially at 2 to 3 decades after DAO and IF they go for his figure Morrigan would be between 40 and 60.....hardly young and the transformations are sure to have taken their toll on her appearence as well.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 12 juillet 2010 - 08:21 .


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Plottwist: Hawke is Flemeth, or at the very least a piece of her. When Flemeth died either because of the Warden in DAO or afterwards because of natural causes, her 'soul' split in as many pieces as creatures she could transform into. These 'soul pieces' were either reborn on their own - creating entities with false memories which may or may not have been based on hers - or entered already existing creatures. Hawke essentially being the bird seen at the Tower of Ishal and dragon lady... well, duh. The rest or a select few of your party, perhaps even the antagonist, may also each be a one of these "Flemspawn".



And when all of them are by chance or by fate gathered at one place, Flemeth will be reborn.



Also, note how Hawke's right arm seems to morph into a bird's claw, like how dragon lady's arm transformed into a dragon one.



And no, no way an armor would somehow normally have a claw like that.



/end wild mass guessing

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Plottwist: Hawke is Flemeth, or at the very least a piece of her. When Flemeth died either because of the Warden in DAO or afterwards because of natural causes, her 'soul' split in as many pieces as creatures she could transform into. These 'soul pieces' were either reborn on their own - creating entities with false memories which may or may not have been based on hers - or entered already existing creatures. Hawke essentially being the bird seen at the Tower of Ishal and dragon lady... well, duh. The rest or a select few of your party, perhaps even the antagonist, may also each be a one of these "Flemspawn".

And when all of them are by chance or by fate gathered at one place, Flemeth will be reborn.

Also, note how Hawke's right arm seems to morph into a bird's claw, like how dragon lady's arm transformed into a dragon one.

And no, no way an armor would somehow normally have a claw like that.

/end wild mass guessing


You can see the difference between the glove underneath and the claws on the gauntlet. Hawke does NOT have a claw.

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It's a trick, only this thumb is still normal!

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

It's a trick, only this thumb is still normal!


His middle finger is obviously not a claw, also.

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Just saying Maiq u are a liar

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Rubbish Hero wrote...

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While thats a neat little transformation, I'm sure if you wanted you could plop Alistair's, Zevran's Leliana's or just about any face in there too and have it seemlessly blend in.

My guess is thats Flemeth in a new body, perhaps from another Witch of the Wild. Or maybe thats not Flemeth at all, but one of Morrigan's sisters...

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Ah, people oblivious to internet sarcasm. Never fails to amuse me.

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Brockololly wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

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While thats a neat little transformation, I'm sure if you wanted you could plop Alistair's, Zevran's Leliana's or just about any face in there too and have it seemlessly blend in.


I think you are missing the point, they have diffrent planes, when you deduce faces down to a basic level, they can be simplfyed like chizzled rock.

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The concept artist who made this, would have most certainly used  reference and worked with planes, it should be pretty apparent that  they are identical.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 13 juillet 2010 - 12:31 .


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Brilliant analysis! The folks who decided to release that picture this early might be regretting that decision right now, as it seems their code may have been cracked, so to speak :) .

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I dunno couldn't it be Morrigan just took Flemeths name?

Maybe too put the Warden on the wrong track? Or just as a title?

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I think that se is NOT Morrigan. I'ts just a sketch ot smth like that.

Theres no point to make theories based on concept arts.

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Obviously its the Witch of the Wilds from the future. She'll show up randomly in disc 4 and compress time.

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Flemeth and Morrigan being one and the same, or, Morrigan turning into Flemeth would be the most likely approach.

Ignoring the whole Irish mythology, duality of the Morrigan as beauty and ugly, hope and despair, mercy and savagery, and so on, (and seriously, how often was Irish mythology ripped off during this game? :P) it's implied several times that Flemeth utilises the bodies of her daughters to sustain her life, however, it's not at all made clear how. Taking into account Flemeth's reaction when you wander down to give her a bit of a murdering, she seems to have expected it, implying it's happened before.

Great character is our Flemeth, but I don't want to see her again until I'm playing as the Warden. ;)

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ClaomhScathach wrote...

Flemeth and Morrigan being one and the same, or, Morrigan turning into Flemeth would be the most likely approach.

Ignoring the whole Irish mythology, duality of the Morrigan as beauty and ugly, hope and despair, mercy and savagery, and so on, (and seriously, how often was Irish mythology ripped off during this game? :P) it's implied several times that Flemeth utilises the bodies of her daughters to sustain her life, however, it's not at all made clear how. Taking into account Flemeth's reaction when you wander down to give her a bit of a murdering, she seems to have expected it, implying it's happened before.

Great character is our Flemeth, but I don't want to see her again until I'm playing as the Warden. ;)

She expected it? Well yeah Morrigan said she wasn't really dead...
Now I really can't wait to see what happens in DA2!

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Guys ... this picture isn't Morrigan. DA2 starts around the time the GW battles the blight, so the notion it could be 60 year old Morrigan is rubbish either. Why would they change Morrigan's look anyway? I don't think it is Flemeth either. Couldn't it just be some new character that we have never seen before? Just saying because she doesn't look like anyone I have seen in DA before ...

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Where do you get the 10 years figure from? We know that DA2 spans 10 years meaning that from the moment it starts to the moment it ends about 10 years pass but we have no idea how much longer after DAO is the start of DA2. Hawke escaped lothering but we have no idea how old he was.....could very well have been a child placing the start of DA2 potentially at 2 to 3 decades after DAO and IF they go for his figure Morrigan would be between 40 and 60.....hardly young and the transformations are sure to have taken their toll on her appearence as well.

Because it's been stated over & over again that DA2 and DAO overlap.  In DA2, you will experience some of the same events that you experienced in DAO.  At most, DA2 might end 9-10 years after DAO.  However, when DA2 starts, it will be sometime in the midst of the DAO events.  It's very possible that DA2 might only end a couple years after DAO.

Modifié par Atranox, 13 juillet 2010 - 01:31 .


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ponozsticka wrote...
 and the transformations are sure to have taken their toll on her appearence as well.


I just *had* to point this out.

You a shapeshifter?  You know what transformations do to someone? 

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Rubbish Hero wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

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While thats a neat little transformation, I'm sure if you wanted you could plop Alistair's, Zevran's Leliana's or just about any face in there too and have it seemlessly blend in.


I think you are missing the point, they have diffrent planes, when you deduce faces down to a basic level, they can be simplfyed like chizzled rock.

Posted Image

The concept artist who made this, would have most certainly used  reference and worked with planes, it should be pretty apparent that  they are identical.









No.

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It's a possibility, but I wouldn't bet on it until we see that person rendered in an in-game engine or something other than concept art

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I think it's more everyone just wants closure to the Morrigan events. I don't buy that Morrigan will be a companion in this tale. She was seen with a child, and in ten years she'll be taking care of that child. They could go the magic route and say it just grows up really fast but I don't think that's the case. Morrigan might have her own mission where you chose to kill her or not, or kill her child or not. But if she could just leave what she was doing she'd either be with the man she loves in the wilds she loves.



Far more likely Flemmeth finds a new body and joins Hawk herself for the same reasons Morrigan joined the Warden. Assuming that's the case they'll touch a bit deeper on what they are both really trying to do.



I suppose it's also possible Flemmeth takes the body of Morrigan's child. Which could set up other events but if they're bringing back the Old Gods key word Gods. Then I would expect more then one infant is needed.

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and in ten years she'll be taking care of that child.




DA2 isn't 10 years after DAO. DA2 spans a decade and overlaps with Origins at some point. It may start 10 years before and finish at DAO, start and DAO and finish 10 years after, or something in-between.

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I think it's just Flemeth... who has either possessed Morrigan or some other unfortunate girl

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Keep in mind people that the GodChild is only a possible outcome of some games.