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[-Semper-]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

-Semper- wrote...
if you post alpha screens then you want to inform the core fanbase that there's something completely new in developement and will be published in 2-3 years. with this screens this is absolutely not the case.

Please look up a couple of posts to where I provided absolute proof that companies do release alpha shots months before release and that alpha-beta-final can take as little as 6 months.

those screens look worlds better than bioware's screenies. on top they are not used as the MAIN introduction of the new game. now with da2 you have something totally different. that's game informer's COVER STORY and is meant to build up the hype. they release bits of info step by step just for this purpose. it's also no fluke that the developers are trying to calm the waves...

[errant_knight]

I'm going to ignore these. They can't possibly be real screenshots. I can't imagine why they were released at all. Blech.

[Jimmy Fury]

-Semper- wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

-Semper- wrote...
if you post alpha screens then you want to inform the core fanbase that there's something completely new in developement and will be published in 2-3 years. with this screens this is absolutely not the case.

Please look up a couple of posts to where I provided absolute proof that companies do release alpha shots months before release and that alpha-beta-final can take as little as 6 months.

those screens look worlds better than bioware's screenies. on top they are not used as the MAIN introduction of the new game. now with da2 you have something totally different. that's game informer's COVER STORY and is meant to build up the hype. they release bits of info step by step just for this purpose. it's also no fluke that the developers are trying to calm the waves...

I apologize I have no idea where you're getting anything you've said.
The main introduction of the game is the Trailer that's coming out next month. IF you go to the official DA2 page it announces the trailer and shows concept art. These screen don't appear anywhere on it.
These shots, just like the alpha shots for the other game, and everything listed on the GI page, are teasers.
The GI cover story says, and I quote:
"Dragon Age 2: A new champion rises in the breathtaking sequal to biowares award winning RPG"
It says nothing at all about "First screen shots!"

[Oldenglishcdr]

Why do people always compare DAO with other games and complain DA doesn't look as good as them? Why can't people just accept DA is what it is, designed and produced with Biowares style/vision in mind?

If all games looked the same, would we all go out and buy them - of course not. So accept a game for what it is, not because it doesn't look like such and such game-lol.

Also great graphics are nice for sure but they should never take priority over gameplay - golden rule!

Modifié par Oldenglishcdr, 13 juillet 2010 - 08:34 .

[Jirak.won]

Oldenglishcdr wrote...

Why do people always compare DAO with other games and complain DA doesn't look as good as them? Why can't people just accept DA is what it is, designed and produced with Biowares style/vision in mind?

If all games looked the same, would we all go out and buy them - of course not. So accept a game for what it is, not because it doesn't look like such and such game-lol.

Also great graphics are nice for sure but they should never take priority over gameplay - golden rule!

Well yeah.
But that pics are actualy worse then vannila.

[DA Trap Star]

I'm not sure if you can make Dragon Age look like Uncharted 2. I don't think the technology of processors is powerful enough to have that many models on screen at the same time. If you want DA to look like Uncharted, then you won't see battles with 10 monsters on the screen anymore. Even though some of Uncharted 2's battles were big... I'm not sure if its possible to have DA look like that on current consoles at least.

Modifié par DA Trap Star, 13 juillet 2010 - 08:43 .

[Games4ever]

Oldenglishcdr wrote...

Why do people always compare DAO with other games and complain DA doesn't look as good as them? Why can't people just accept DA is what it is, designed and produced with Biowares style/vision in mind?

If all games looked the same, would we all go out and buy them - of course not. So accept a game for what it is, not because it doesn't look like such and such game-lol.

Also great graphics are nice for sure but they should never take priority over gameplay - golden rule!

If a games looks ****, then it turns me off no matter how good people tells me it is


gameplay over graphics = the lazy peoples rule

[tmp7704]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

And just to review. This is a Final Fantasy game we're talking about. No other game series is as psychotically
focused on graphics and looking uberpretty yet they did indeed release crappy screenshots that don't show off all the details that will be available in the final product.
AND. They released ALPHA screenshots 6 months before the game's release.
So would anyone like to explain again how it's impossible that these first DA2 screenshots could be alpha shots with 9 months left until the release? Or how about how no company in it's right mind would ever release alpha shots when they have a huge focus on graphics?
anyone?

I suspect it has something to do with the game being an MMO with public alpha/beta process -- as opposed to internal alpha/beta which takes place earlier, although it's worth noting even these games use non-diclosure agreements for their public beta programs to try and keep a lid on amount of early screenshots that's being released. But if you want a fair comparison, try to find alpha screenshots from single player Final Fantasy RPGs, released in similar timeframe? Right off the bat i can't really recall a single case like that (although not in the least that's because 6-7 months to the release these games are way beyond what's considered the alpha stage)

Modifié par tmp7704, 13 juillet 2010 - 08:47 .

[Marionetten]

Oldenglishcdr wrote...

Why do people always compare DAO with other games and complain DA doesn't look as good as them? Why can't people just accept DA is what it is, designed and produced with Biowares style/vision in mind?

If all games looked the same, would we all go out and buy them - of course not. So accept a game for what it is, not because it doesn't look like such and such game-lol.

Also great graphics are nice for sure but they should never take priority over gameplay - golden rule!

Perhaps you should go back in time and explain this to the people who took such great offense to the original art direction of Dragon Age? If you had gone about it that way this whole mess could have been avoided and BioWare could have improved on the exisiting art instead of throwing it out and replacing it with this half-assed garbage.

[Raizo]

I'd need to see more screen shots to make up my mind but so far I'm impressed with the new art style and the improved graphics. The pic of Hawk is very impressive. I don't really care for the beard but I can see that there is alot of detail on the character, it's a big improvement on DA:O's cast who looked very bland and felt very wooden.

[armigal]

Oldenglishcdr wrote...

Also great graphics are nice for sure but they should never take priority over gameplay - golden rule!

If you would have been talking about first Deus Ex for example, than yes, I can accept that game looks bad but has awesome gameplay and story... and also comes from year 2000 . DA2 on the other hand is a 2011 game, there is absolutely no excuse for such fugly  graphics.

[LPPrince]

Games4ever wrote...

Oldenglishcdr wrote...

Why do people always compare DAO with other games and complain DA doesn't look as good as them? Why can't people just accept DA is what it is, designed and produced with Biowares style/vision in mind?

If all games looked the same, would we all go out and buy them - of course not. So accept a game for what it is, not because it doesn't look like such and such game-lol.

Also great graphics are nice for sure but they should never take priority over gameplay - golden rule!

If a games looks ****, then it turns me off no matter how good people tells me it is


gameplay over graphics = the lazy peoples rule

That would be your opinion.

You are obviously aesthetics over gameplay. Others are gameplay over aesthetics.

[Games4ever]

LPPrince wrote...

Games4ever wrote...

Oldenglishcdr wrote...

Why do people always compare DAO with other games and complain DA doesn't look as good as them? Why can't people just accept DA is what it is, designed and produced with Biowares style/vision in mind?

If all games looked the same, would we all go out and buy them - of course not. So accept a game for what it is, not because it doesn't look like such and such game-lol.

Also great graphics are nice for sure but they should never take priority over gameplay - golden rule!

If a games looks ****, then it turns me off no matter how good people tells me it is


gameplay over graphics = the lazy peoples rule

That would be your opinion.

You are obviously aesthetics over gameplay. Others are gameplay over aesthetics.

If others can make good graphics and good gameplay, so can Bioware also
so if they only make good gameplay,then they must be lazy or be very busy getting it done so they can make money fast
there should be a pride in doing the best graphics..

[Arius23]

Soooooo, is everybody saying it's impossible to have both good graphics and good gameplay?



Am I a greedy bastard because I want both?

[Demx]

Arius23 wrote...

Soooooo, is everybody saying it's impossible to have both good graphics and good gameplay?

Am I a greedy bastard because I want both?

lol You won't get the answer you are looking for, people will just mention it is in the pre alpha stage again.

[Impressive]

I could care less about the graphics (although they are bad), I'm much more upset over the "new art direction"

It doesn't make sense to me to just change the style of the game drastically when no one was complaining about it.

[Oldenglishcdr]

Games4ever wrote...


If a games looks ****, then it turns me off no matter how good people tells me it is


gameplay over graphics = the lazy peoples rule

Sorry you are wrong here. You could have the best looking game in the world, but if it doesn't contain any great gameplay, what is the point? Unless of course you like to pay for a game to look at great graphics.

The amount of flak Bioware is getting over two screenshots is unreal, what will people be like when the game is released?

[Vohodic]

Oldenglishcdr wrote...

Games4ever wrote...


If a games looks ****, then it turns me off no matter how good people tells me it is


gameplay over graphics = the lazy peoples rule

Sorry you are wrong here. You could have the best looking game in the world, but if it doesn't contain any great gameplay, what is the point? Unless of course you like to pay for a game to look at great graphics.

The amount of flak Bioware is getting over two screenshots is unreal, what will people be like when the game is released?

Hopefully we will be playing an amazing game laughing at how inept BioWare was in marketing the game in its ciritical stages.

[Demx]

Oldenglishcdr wrote...

Games4ever wrote...


If a games looks ****, then it turns me off no matter how good people tells me it is


gameplay over graphics = the lazy peoples rule

Sorry you are wrong here. You could have the best looking game in the world, but if it doesn't contain any great gameplay, what is the point? Unless of course you like to pay for a game to look at great graphics.

The amount of flak Bioware is getting over two screenshots is unreal, what will people be like when the game is released?

Like this never happens on any other forum except on Bioware. :o:o:o

[Games4ever]

The amount of flak Bioware is getting over two screenshots is unreal, what will people be like when the game is released?



Rememeber, it's our money, so they should do all they could to please us in both game-play and graphics, before another game company please us more and get our beloved money.. it's up to them

[DPB]

Arius23 wrote...

Soooooo, is everybody saying it's impossible to have both good graphics and good gameplay?

Am I a greedy bastard because I want both?

It isn't, but if they improved the graphics something else would be reduced as a consequence of more of the budget being spent on that aspect. There are hardly any games with the same depth and sheer amount of content as DAO because they're so expensive to make these days.

[LPPrince]

Games4ever wrote...

If others can make good graphics and good gameplay, so can Bioware also
so if they only make good gameplay,then they must be lazy or be very busy getting it done so they can make money fast
there should be a pride in doing the best graphics..

NEVER compare one company's aptitude for accomplishing something to another.

Bioware is not Rocksteady. They are not Blizzard, they are not Rockstar, they are not Black Isle or Bethesda.

Bioware is Bioware.

On another note, you'd rather play a terrible game with great graphics over an amazing game with bad graphics?

Because that's what your mindset delivers. 

[LPPrince]

Games4ever wrote...

Rememeber, it's our money, so they should do all they could to please us in both game-play and graphics, before another game company please us more and get our beloved money.. it's up to them

Yeah, but they don't have to grab everyone. Remember that.

[Jimmy Fury]

tmp7704 wrote...
I suspect it has something to do with the game being an MMO with public alpha/beta process -- as opposed to internal alpha/beta which takes place earlier, although it's worth noting even these games use non-diclosure agreements for their public beta programs to try and keep a lid on amount of early screenshots that's being released. But if you want a fair comparison, try to find alpha screenshots from single player Final Fantasy RPGs, released in similar timeframe? Right off the bat i can't really recall a single case like that (although not in the least that's because 6-7 months to the release these games are way beyond what's considered the alpha stage)

That's all extremely true. The people saying there's a chance these aren't alpha I have no disagreement with. The people wanting confirmation on the stage of development these are from are fine too. It's the people claiming that it's impossible for these to be alpha for such-and-such reason that I disagree with. Several people have claimed companies never release alpha shots if they want to sell a games graphic. That's just false. People claim a company would never release alpha shots with 9 months left until release. That's also false. The proof is right there that it does occur. Why it occurs is another matter, but then again we have no idea when these screenshots were taken so we're all just speculating.
Although Gaider's statement about how right now the game looks better than it did in these shots is an indicator, to me at least, that these are not recent shots.

[rooky91]

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If you start off with somthing that looks bad, when improvements are made they look even better