TMA LIVE wrote...
Siradix wrote...
Sorry had to do it.
http://api.photoshop...aefcba264f15712
Hate to sound mean, but that pick looks like someone pooped diarrhea all over it. Why is all that blood shooting out of everyone, when they're not being hit?
creakydoors wrote...
Is this supposed to be improved? I like the style but these aren't the screens I would have chosen.
TMA LIVE wrote...
Hate to sound mean, but that pick looks like someone pooped diarrhea all over it. Why is all that blood shooting out of everyone, when they're not being hit?
But what they are showing is exactly that -- an area lacking any kind of detail sans a single trash pile, and with poor quality textures. So the reasoning they aren't willing to show such a thing... well, it doesn't really work_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...
IMO at this point they just don't have any finalized levels to show off, and may not be willing to show their WIP ones if they're partially covered in dev textures and/or lacking any kind of detail.
I don't think it can be used as excuse; while you can use the top-down view in PC version, it can be just as well played with camera close to action, and as i understand it the farther view is no option on the consoles. Not to mention you get camera right in characters' faces during cutscenes and such.Finally you have to remember that if it's like DAO, the game isn't really meant to be played with a camera this close to the action most of the time.
tmp7704 wrote...
But what they are showing is exactly that -- an area lacking any kind of detail sans a single trash pile, and with poor quality textures. So the reasoning they aren't willing to show such a thing... well, it doesn't really work
David Gaider wrote...
As I recall, the reaction was much the same to the first looks at Origins. Nothing like a couple of early screenshots for fans toMajin Paul wrote...
Can't say it's unexpected though, half the people were whinging over a few lines of description on the game, I'm not surprised to find people complaining about the screenshots to be honest.rip apartexamine.
The comments are appreciated, folks, both good and bad. Hopefully there will be more for you to look at soon.
They can work with constructive criticism a lot more than they can work with general complaints. Even then most of the "complaints" lately are unfounded rage-rants that serve no purpose other than to vent and blame all the worlds troubles on either EA, consoles, Gaider, the Mass Effect series, or "casual gamers".KennyBloem wrote...
And lets be honest, there are good and bad comments and the only thing good about that are the bad comments. Compliments are nice but complaints are things you can actually work with....
Modifié par Ingrimm22, 15 juillet 2010 - 07:06 .
I don't know if it make any difference, but these screenshots from the 360 version.Ingrimm22 wrote...
There are a few people here, who can't understand, what's wrong with the screenshots. I'd like to draw a little comparison:
www.guildwars2.com/global/includes/images/screenshots/warrior/gw2-warrior-001.jpg
this screen comes from Guild Wars 2, a game, that will come out around the same time as Dragon Age 2. I'd like to remind everyone, that Guild Wars 2 is a MMORPG, which means that such an engine has to handle much more difficulties than a single player-game like DA 2 (it has to be able to handle massive battles without compromising the framerate, large open fields with dozens of scripted NPCs at any given time, to name a few).
And despite all that, it makes the DA 2-Screenshots we've seen so far look like a cellphone-game (strictly from a technical point of few, i won't discuss artdirection here). It has everything DA 2 seems to be lacking: high polygon modells, much foliage and grass, nice shader effects on the armor, detailed texturing, nice lighting and so on.
If a MMORPG can look like this in 2011, there is no excuse for an offline-game to look as bland and undetailed as the DA 2 screenshots. No way in hell.
Dummkopf wrote...
I don't know if it make any difference, but these screenshots from the 360 version.
Modifié par Ingrimm22, 15 juillet 2010 - 07:18 .
Ingrimm22 wrote...
Dummkopf wrote...
I don't know if it make any difference, but these screenshots from the 360 version.
Still no reason to look like a PS2-Game regardless of the platform. FF 13 for example runs on 360 without problems as do Fallout 3 and Oblivion.
And if Bioware try to a pull a "Risen" with DA2, it will be desastrous for the sales.
Ingrimm22 wrote...
Still no reason to look like a PS2-Game regardless of the platform. FF 13 for example runs on 360 without problems as do Fallout 3 and Oblivion.
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filaminstrel wrote...
I'm curious as to the ingame lore for the darkspawn having pastier skin and different looking faces in the Free Marches.
Jimmy Fury wrote...
KennyBloem wrote...
And lets be honest, there are good and bad comments and the only thing good about that are the bad comments. Compliments are nice but complaints are things you can actually work with....
They can work with constructive criticism a lot more than they can work with general complaints. Even then most of the "complaints" lately are unfounded rage-rants that serve no purpose other than to vent and blame all the worlds troubles on either EA, consoles, Gaider, the Mass Effect series, or "casual gamers".
Modifié par Roland Aseph, 15 juillet 2010 - 10:54 .
It's called teasing. It's become a fairly common marketing tool, especially when there's a loyal fanbase.Roland Aseph wrote...
If you decide to release info on a much anticipated game then you need to be smart about what you let out. Rolling out a bit here and a bit there just isn't the way to do it imo
Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 15 juillet 2010 - 11:34 .
Jimmy Fury wrote...
It's called teasing. It's become a fairly common marketing tool, especially when there's a loyal fanbase.Roland Aseph wrote...
If you decide to release info on a much anticipated game then you need to be smart about what you let out. Rolling out a bit here and a bit there just isn't the way to do it imo
Examples: See any fan-hungry sci-fi movie from the last 5 years. Particularly Avatar, Anything by JJ Abrams, Tron Legacy, Harry Potter, and all comic book related movies.
Judging from the Eurogamer interview, they're not teasing so much as provoking. It's obvious they knew a lot of fans- the ones actually paying attention at this point- would "freak out," but decided that negative attention was just as good as positive buzz.Jimmy Fury wrote...
It's called teasing. It's become a fairly common marketing tool, especially when there's a loyal fanbase.
Examples: See any fan-hungry sci-fi movie from the last 5 years. Particularly Avatar, Anything by JJ Abrams, Tron Legacy, Harry Potter, and all comic book related movies.
Roland Aseph wrote...
I know what it's called and the mentality behind it.
But you don't release sub-par material as a so called "teaser" lol
i dunno, maybe it just means they've seen the boards before [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]Addai67 wrote...
They're probably right about that, but I'm
not sure what it says about how they view their customers.
When you think of it though, it makes little sense to use such approach. The customer isn't interested in sub-par experience, so if that's what you're showing them chances are you're just turning them off from your product completely and they aren't going to check any tiny improvements you may make with the next batch of pictures, "now with only 90% of the previous suck!" Additionally, what ultimately matters is what the game is like when it hits the shelves because that's what the customer is buying it. Not the long and arduous development process with all warts painstakingly documented, as that's likely something that interests only people who were already fans of the product to begin with, and determined enough to sit through its growing pains to (hopefully) satisfying end.Jimmy Fury wrote...
Sure you do. As has been mentioned many times, you release sub par material then slowly release incremental steps up until you're showing the final product. That way what people see gets better and better every time.
Modifié par tmp7704, 16 juillet 2010 - 03:34 .
KennyBloem wrote...
Ingrimm22 wrote...
Dummkopf wrote...
I don't know if it make any difference, but these screenshots from the 360 version.
Still no reason to look like a PS2-Game regardless of the platform. FF 13 for example runs on 360 without problems as do Fallout 3 and Oblivion.
And if Bioware try to a pull a "Risen" with DA2, it will be desastrous for the sales.
It's Alpha and if you look at the screens of DA:O you will see that there is actually an improvement on player models allready.....
That's exactly who these shots are being shown to though. People who are probably already fans of the product. These aren't being used in print ads in non-industry magazines, they aren't running web banners, They're not popping up in TV commercials, they're coming out through a handful of industry magazines specifically geared towards video game fans. That's exactly the market they want to use this strategy with.tmp7704 wrote...
When you think of it though, it makes little sense to use such approach. The customer isn't interested in sub-par experience, so if that's what you're showing them chances are you're just turning them off from your product completely and they aren't going to check any tiny improvements you may make with the next batch of pictures, "now with only 90% of the previous suck!" Additionally, what ultimately matters is what the game is like when it hits the shelves because that's what the customer is buying it. Not the long and arduous development process with all warts painstakingly documented, as that's likely something that interests only people who were already fans of the product to begin with, and determined enough to sit through its growing pains to (hopefully) satisfying end.
One word.Or from another angle -- for all the "mentioned many times", can someone actually document if such practice ever resulted in generating more sales?
Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 16 juillet 2010 - 03:52 .
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