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[SithLordExarKun]

Estel78 wrote...

Okay, you do have comprehension problems. And believe in nonsense marketing tactics.

Yes, because somehow your words are more valid than that of a developer who stated that the graphics actually look better than it is.

GreenSoda wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Estel78
wrote...
As for the pictures in the GI magazine, they are the
exact same images as those you can find on the internet, plus a
few more. They do NOT look much better graphics wise.

  You
obviously lack the capabilities to read considering the size of
your ego. I already stated in an earlier post that there are new images
in the GI magazine that DO show DA2's graphical prowess
and that i cannot post them because scanning a magazine and then posting
it on a website is illegal as it is considered copyright
infringement.

...yeah...

  Oh please i was well aware Estel typed "Magazine". I called out his/her inability to
read because

1) He/she assumed the "improved" images i was talking about were the initial two screenshots that were released by GI.
2) The "plus a few more" that he/she brought up were from that german site that showed another 2 images.
3) The new screenshots(one showing an upclose on hawke and bethany while the other shows an upclose of 3
darkspawn) showed graphical improvement over the first game which Estel obviously has not seen considering how stupid his/her statement was.

And do you know for a fact that Estel actually has a hardcopy of the magazine scan? Do you know for a fact that he/she assumed that the "magazine images" were those you can find on the internet?(The 2 first reveal shots and the 2 from the german site) and not the new images shown on the hardcopy of the magazine?

Think about that before trying to call some one out.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 16 juillet 2010 - 01:45 .

[Estel78]

*lol*

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Yes, because somehow your words are more valid than that of a developer who stated that the graphics actually look better than it is.

Jesus... I didn't object to anything a developer said. Again, i claim those images were from the latest build at the time of the GI magazine going into print. Of course a few weeks (2-3 i guess) have already past by now so the game might indeed look a little better now.

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Oh please i was well aware Estel typed "Magazine". I called out his/her inability to
read because

1) He/she assumed the "improved" images i was talking about were the initial two screenshots that were released by GI.
2) The "plus a few more" that he/she brought up were from that german site that showed another 2 images.
3) The new screenshots(one showing an upclose on hawke and bethany while the other shows an upclose of 3
darkspawn) showed graphical improvement over the first game which Estel obviously has not seen considering how stupid his/her statement was.

Wrong! How could you possibly deduct that from the stuff i wrote is beyond me.

1) No. I was aware you were talking about the images IN THE MAGAZINE.
2) No. With "plus a few more" i meant the images IN THE MAGAZINE.
3) I assumed you meant the pictures of DA2 in the magazine show an improvement over the pictures of DA2 you can find on the internet. That's what i disagreed with. I agree that DA2 looks better than DAO from a technical standpoint, especially the faces.

I have the scans of the GI magazine on my computer so yes i know what i'm talking about.

Modifié par Estel78, 16 juillet 2010 - 02:13 .

[SithLordExarKun]

Please, whats your argument now? Thats right more cheap entertainment.

Estel78 wrote...



Jesus... I didn't object to anything a developer said.

Well you've been doing it ever since the first images were released.

Estel78 wrote...
Again, i claim those images were from the latest build at the time of the GI magazine going into print. Of course a few weeks (2-3 i guess) have already past by now so the game might indeed look a little better now.

Yes all this contrary to what you said a few days earlier, that the game won't be getting an improvement graphically.

But go ahead and keep conraicting yourself with every post.

Estel78 wrote...
Wrong! How could you possibly deduct that from the stuff i wrote is beyond me.

Maybe im just smarter than you are.

Estel78 wrote...
1) No. I was aware you were talking about the images IN THE MAGAZINE.
2) No. With "plus a few more" i meant the images IN THE MAGAZINE.
3) I assumed you meant the pictures of DA2 in the magazine show an improvement over the pictures of DA2 you can find on the internet. That's what i disagreed with. I agree that DA2 looks better than DAO from a technical standpoint, especially the faces.

  So now you say a completely different thing? Ill take your word for it, so look at the screenshot with hawkes and bethanies face and tell me that it doesn't look better than the previous images. Look at the screenshot that showed 3 darkspawn upclose and tell me that doesnt look better than the previous images.

Look closely and notice how more refined the images look, that how its less jagged and far sharper than the initial pictures released and that how much better the textures are.

[Ingrimm22]

just a quick note: the german online magazine buffed.de posted scans from the GI-Article with more screenshots and they look just as awful as the early screens. Only thing better are the faces, the rest is atrocious. Bioware can't be serious about that.

http://gallery.buffe...arge/25189#bild

Modifié par Ingrimm22, 16 juillet 2010 - 02:43 .

[Estel78]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Well you've been doing it ever since the first images were released.

No i have not. Show me a quote or stop spreading lies.

Saying graphics are not gonna change a whole lot in the next 8 months, especially design wise, is not akin to saying graphics won't change at all.

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Yes all this contrary to what you said a few days earlier, that the game won't be getting an improvement graphically. 

But go ahead and keep conraicting yourself with every post.

Again, you're lying.

SithLordExarKun wrote...

So now you say a completely different thing?

No, you just didn't understand me right the first time. Or we're both talking past each other. I'm getting increasingly confused talking with you.

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Ill take your word for it, so look at the screenshot with hawkes and bethanies face and tell me that it doesn't look better than the previous images. Look at the screenshot that showed 3 darkspawn upclose and tell me that doesnt look better than the previous images.

Look closely and notice how more refined the images look, that how its less jagged and far sharper than the initial pictures released and that how much better the textures are.

Better than what images? I already told you that i think DA2 looks better than DAO (from a technical standpoint especially), what more do you want? I'm confused, again...

[Games4ever]

Please anyone,do not try to make these screenshots better than they really are, the faces are the only thing that looks improved,backgrounds looks worse off from the first,and the darkspawns or what it is? looks ridiculous IMO.



but looking forward to the next screenshots, to see if they have become better

[SithLordExarKun]

Estel78 wrote...


No i have not. Show me a quote or stop spreading lies.

Spreading lies to whom?

Estel78 wrote...
Saying graphics are not gonna change a whole lot in the next 8 months, especially design wise, is not akin to saying graphics won't change at all.



Again, you're lying.

Ok. you want a quote you got one.

Estel78 wrote...

Come on, people, they ARE indicative of
the final product. Or you really think they'll redesign the whole game
and write a new graphic engine in like a few months? It might improve, a
little bit, but this is pretty much how it'll look.

Ergo you were claiming the graphics wont improve considering you said that is prtty much how they will look.

http://social.biowar...index/3108691/7

But go ahead, keep making yourself look foolish.

Estel78 wrote...
Better than what images? I already told you that i think DA2 looks better than DAO (from a technical standpoint especially), what more do you want? I'm confused, again...

Better than the intitial screenshots released.

Oops, another conradiction, you said it looks better than DAO from a technical perspective(light, textures etc etc) but earlier you said this: 

Estel78 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

The
lighting is alot better then DAO.

I fail to see it.

^^^^ Fail.

[Games4ever]

There are mysteries in the world that can never be explained from the Bermuda Triangle to the unexplained success of Celine Dion but these screenshots just leaves me scratching my head….with a chainsaw!

[Games4ever]

But, Don't judge those who try and fail. Judge those who fail to try.....



so as long as Bioware keeps on trying to improve,we can only be happy :-)

[Amyntas]

Games4ever wrote...

But, Don't judge those who try and fail. Judge those who fail to try.....

so as long as Bioware keeps on trying to improve,we can only be happy :-)

I'll try that line with my boss

[Estel78]

What do you not understand about "It might improve, a little bit"? You're grasping at straws.



As for "technical", i had in mind character models (more polygons) and textures. Sorry, no fail.

[SithLordExarKun]

Estel78 wrote...

What do you not understand about "It might improve, a little bit"? You're grasping at straws.

So wait, let me get this straight. First, you say that "It might improve", and then in the very same sentance, you say that(based on the 2 ugly screenshots) this is how the game will look like?  Sounds like a contradiction in a single sentance.

Estel78 wrote...
As for "technical", i had in mind character models (more polygons) and textures. Sorry, no fail.

Of course you would say that, to save face....  considering you got called out....

[Games4ever]

It's not only here people are disappointed with screenshots, it's all over the net to be honest

[GreenSoda]

Actually there are imo only two big factors that make those screens look...sub-optimal: Thermonuclear lightning & the super low detailed floor texture (with no bumpmaping whatsoever).

If I picture those two factors "rectified" than DA2 looks pretty good. Faces & spelleffects are definitely improved.

Modifié par GreenSoda, 16 juillet 2010 - 03:38 .

[Estel78]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

So wait, let me get this straight. First, you say that "It might improve", and then in the very same sentance, you say that(based on the 2 ugly screenshots) this is how the game will look like?

No, i said how the game will PRETTY MUCH look like. Again, you're grasping at straws here and showing your lack of comprehension.

And don't pretend to know what i meant or not meant with a sentence I WROTE, you just come off pathetic doing that.

Modifié par Estel78, 16 juillet 2010 - 03:48 .

[Games4ever]

slimgrin wrote...

Games4ever wrote...

It's not only here people are disappointed with screenshots, it's all over the net to be honest

I know, because there are some legit concerns, if you were to assume they are final build. We don't know that yet.

And as I said before, the change in art style alone will be enough to raise criticism.

I would cry (or almost) if they where final build

[SithLordExarKun]

Estel78 wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

So wait, let me get this straight. First, you say that "It might improve", and then in the very same sentance, you say that(based on the 2 ugly screenshots) this is how the game will look like?

No, i said how the game will PRETTY MUCH look like. Again, you're grasping at straws here.

You're the only one grasping at straws hun, it doesn't matter what you say, as you asked me to quote you to prove to you that you're contradicting yourself. Now when you get it,  you try to derail it into completely something else to try to save face.

Saying "It will pretty much look like this" and then saying "it will improve" are two completely different things. Once again : Epic fail.

But hey, keep posting like a broken record, i could use a good laugh before finishing the day.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 16 juillet 2010 - 03:52 .

[Estel78]

*shakes head*



No, silly, "pretty much" implies that i don't believe in big changes but allow for smaller tweaks.

[SithLordExarKun]

Estel78 wrote...

*shakes head*

No, silly, "pretty much" implies that i don't believe in big changes but allow for smaller tweaks.

Yet you say you don't object to the devs when they stated that the game looks far better(ergo, much better graphical improvement) than whats shown on the scans.

Premise1) You say that the game wont have much of a graphical improvement.
Premise2) The devs have stated that the graphics are "more striking" therefore much better than the ones on the scan.
Premise3) You say you don't disagree with what the devs said.

Conclusion : You contradict yourself thus making you look more foolish than you already are.

Besides, its not difficult to improve on ground textures and lightning which the way i see it, are the only problems so far.

 But keep em coming.

[Jimmy Fury]

Estel78 wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

I wonder who to listen to... you, just some random joe or the developers that actually stated that these arent the final graphics...

Maybe i wasn't clear enough. There are voices here (or one voice) claiming Bioware purposely released images from an older build of the game EVEN THOUGH they're already on a much later build that looks much better. I say that's bollocks. The developer/publisher always wants to show off their product in the best light to leave a lasting impression, especially when it's about the unveiling of their newest game, thus they will release their latest and greatest as far as press material goes and sometimes even fudge the pictures so that they look better than the actual game does.

I'm going to say this as simply as possible this time since you are obsessed with nitpicking every statement contrary to yours. -edit. my bad nitpicking was the wrong word, "dismissing" is more accurate-

Yes. Bioware purposely released images from an earlier build and are already on a later build that looks better. I'm not throwing in those "much" qualifiers you added in to make yourself look right. I never said much. I simply said different build.
And I can absolutely prove in the most inarguable way possible.

Kirby and Gaider have ALREADY confirmed those images are from an early build and that the stuff they're seeing in development right now is "much better" (gaiders words not mine)
It has already occured. I don't comprehend how one could possibly argue that it isn't the case when it has already been done.
The images were released by bioware this week and they are (this week) on a better build already.
Your "time of print" argument is invalid because we aren't looking at these images in print we are looking at them online. They are not in print.

So all of your arguments about how it would never happen, how they were the only ones available when GI went to print, how no company in their right minds would ever do that, etc. Are all definitively provably incorrect.
It did happen.
The images are not in print they are online.
Bioware released them. They didn't just magically appear out of thin air.
Gaider and Kirby confirmed these are from an earlier build.

I really don't understand how this can possibly still be a debate.

(and for the record I spent 3 hellish years working in marketing for a major energy drink company, I've seen much much much more insane tactics than the one I spoke of earlier.)

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 16 juillet 2010 - 04:37 .