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[langelog]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Anybody remember Ya Zhen from Jade Empire? He was absolutely evil, power mad demon who hated humans and wanted them exterminated. And yet he served PC because one day it would yield him personal profit - freedom, power and a real body to wreck havoc and slaughter the innocents.
Ah, I loved this demon. The problem in Origins is that none of your companions is truly evil. Ya Zhen was absolutely evil, cruel, power-map maniac, I really love when RPG allows you to have such a companion.

I support this, that frog was insane, and he still follwed the PC. I'm not saying that the darkspawn companion would have to be evil, but if he is, it won't stop him from fighting along side you, so long as he gets what he wants in the end.

[triggerhappy456]

langelog wrote...

triggerhappy456 wrote...

having a darkspawn companion could not work
it turned out that legion was actually on the side of shepard
i doubt they could suddenly decide that there is a splinter group of darkspawn who afre good and like people
the architect is not a good guy, he is just not the main bad guy of awakening. he has the aim of turning people into darkspawn, and so does everyone serving him

Although the Architect's methods may have been "extreme", he was a believer in the ends justify the means. As to darkspawn being good, well the epilogue at the end of Awakening explains how the messenger has become a wandering hero, but at the cost of causing isolated cases of the taint, which is why a subplot in which you must seek out the Architect or his research if he's dead, to resolve this problem. It would definitley be an interesting quest and may connect some of Awakening to DA2, and solve some unanswered questions.

if there were a few quests involving the architect and his darkspawn, then it would be an interesting addition, and your right it would connect the two games
maybe im just against this because i found darkspawn chronicles so dissapointing, but it would have to be one the disciples, and i think that it would be a bit odd to offer a companion so connected to awakening, as a large amount of dragon age players did not buy the expansion.
i am not sayign that i would not like it if you could have an ogre or a mega-hurlock in the party, just dont tihnk it could be implemented well, and considering the uniformly high quality of bioware games, if it could not be done well they will probably not do it

[Lord Gremlin]

What I really loved in Darkspawn Chronicles is controlling the ogre. Really gives you a feeling that you're the boss here. Some pesky mortal bothers you? Just grab him and squash like a bug. Also, ogre walking animation looks great. Really feels like huge heavy bastard.

Lack of story was depressing though. In Awakening we saw a civil war among darkspawn (it appears that unless they're fighting other darkspawn or other races they spend time deciding whom of their own should be executed), darkspawn science and arcane arts... Now that was interesting.

[Celticon]

I personally think Darkspawn Chronicles would have been more interesting if it involved a completely different campaign, pre Ostagar, or even if it took place during one of the earlier blights.



Now that someone had to bring Fallout 3 into this, Darkspawn Chronicles was about as disappointing as the Operation Anchorage DLC for FO3. Only except the items you got at the end of OA were actually decent.

[langelog]

Celticon wrote...

I personally think Darkspawn Chronicles would have been more interesting if it involved a completely different campaign, pre Ostagar, or even if it took place during one of the earlier blights.

Now that someone had to bring Fallout 3 into this, Darkspawn Chronicles was about as disappointing as the Operation Anchorage DLC for FO3. Only except the items you got at the end of OA were actually decent.

I was also hoping for a longer experience as the Vanguard than the Battle of Denerim, as you said, I would have liked an entire campaign as a darkspawn band, traveling with an ogre, genlock, shriek, subordinate hurlocks, etc. I suppose that would have been way to much content for a dlc, it would have been bordering on the size of an expansion if not larger.

[alaska the 1st]

Well in the novel dragon age the calling the circle of magi had came up with a potion that keeps people from getting the taint

[langelog]

alaska the 1st wrote...

Well in the novel dragon age the calling the circle of magi had came up with a potion that keeps people from getting the taint

Ladies and gentlemen, our taint problems have been answered.

[langelog]

Alright, I now have some revised points : The taint problem can be cured, not all darkspawn are evil, and even if this darkspawn companion was evil, I don't think that would stop him from following the PC so long as he gets something out of it, such as power, revenge, etc. Although Hawke fled his home (Lothering) to escape the Blight, it was the Bann's fault for abandoning his people, and that's whom Hawke should show his aggression toward.

This particular darkspawn companion would likley be an Awakened one, and therefore possess his own thoughts and morals, and of course sentient intelligence. If this companion is in, it is likley he won't be encountered until late in the game, from what I know of DA2's timeline regarding the events of Awakening. It has been brought up that if there is a darkspawn ally, what gifts could you possibly offer? Well, it is known that darkspawn have certain hobbies and objects such as totems that they tend to fancy, and would be considered suitable gifts to gain approval. As to wether or not Hawke would even accept the help of this darkspawn, remains for the player to decide. If you view darkspawn as blighted, souless, abominations worthy of nothing more than being put to the sword, you may slay him. If you see that he is good, but don't want a darkspawn with you for obvious reasons, you can turn away his help. Finally, if you are the sort who sees the darkspawn as misunderstood and have experienced the events of Awakening first hand to strengthen your belief in this, then you would likley see the potential in this ally, not only as a fighter, but as a chance to better understand the darkspawn. Of course there are those who have a very different opinion on the events of Awakening, those who now believe more than ever that intelligent darkspawn must be eradicated.
 
People call this a cliche/trope, but when you think about it, is anything original anymore? For those of you who have played Bioware's other great title Mass Effect 2, you know of Legion, a recruitable Geth. Not only is he an excellent ally with some very useful talent, but he also serves as a terminal to communicate to the Geth, and get a better understanding of them, and maybe forge an alliance.

On a personal note, I am very intrigued by the darkspawn, and if Bioware does this I would be overjoyed. This is why I enjoyed the add-on Darkspawn Chronicles, I loved playing as the Hurlock Vanguard, but alas the dlc is short, and having this oppurtunity in DA2 would rectify that. I hope this information changes your mind about a darkspawn companion, and if not, I hope it at least makes you think, thanks to all who support this.

Modifié par langelog, 16 juillet 2010 - 12:39 .

[langelog]

This thread could use a supportive pic as well.

[langelog]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

I hope the said Darkspawn companion will have a different look. The Disciples in Awakening looked the same. The reason why it needs it's own individual look is because, for example, humans, elves, and dwarves each have their own individual look. If the Darkspawn are going to start having more intelligence and yada yada yada(as well as a different physicl appearance) then they need to have physical looks that vary from each other(at least the important ones).

Well I imagine if this companion is in, he will have a unique appearance, definitley more unigue than the uniform hurlock and hopefully different from the appearance of the disciples in Awakening. I'm hoping for a slightly more human facial appearance compared to the bestial, zombified look of previous darkspawn. From what I've seen in the new screen shots, and though pre-alpha, the darkspawn do indeed have a new look to them.

[Celticon]

One place to start is different facepaint styles for darkspawn. Just like facial tattoo's in the character editor, but there are multiple layers, so many permutations of tattoo shapes and colors can be chosen.

[Riona45]

SDNcN wrote...

Personally I am hoping The Messenger from Awakening pops up as a companion.

That would be a lot of work on a companion who is dead in a lot of people's games.

[SirGladiator]

I like the idea of a possible Darkspawn team-mate, obviously it would depend on the character. There are two different ways that would be my preferred ways of going about it. One is to have sort of a conventional Darkspawn looking fellow, one who talks like a normal person but maybe has to wear a mask all the time to hide his true appearance. He could be an especially good team-mate for the more 'dark-side' type PCs, but as with all team-mates he would fit into any party.



The other route (and the one that appeals to me even more) is to have a whole new type of Darkspawn, one we haven't encountered before and possibly because they're super-rare. We now know, because we encountered one during the course of DAO, that the Darkspawn like to turn women into 'brood-mothers', quite disgusting indeed. But suppose we could learn that Darkspawn have more than one use for the women they capture, and it involves turning them into mighty fighters (or mighty magic-users, either way would be pretty cool), it would be a woman who is still quite attractive, but clearly looks different enough that she would stand out as a Darkspawn, albeit a very unique one. And this one in particular, the one that can join your team, has a mind of her own moreso than any other of her kind! Attractive enough to be a good romance option, but still enough like a Darkspawn to make you think twice before doing so . That sounds like the ultimate cool new team-mate to me!

[langelog]

SirGladiator wrote...

I like the idea of a possible Darkspawn team-mate, obviously it would depend on the character. There are two different ways that would be my preferred ways of going about it. One is to have sort of a conventional Darkspawn looking fellow, one who talks like a normal person but maybe has to wear a mask all the time to hide his true appearance. He could be an especially good team-mate for the more 'dark-side' type PCs, but as with all team-mates he would fit into any party.

The other route (and the one that appeals to me even more) is to have a whole new type of Darkspawn, one we haven't encountered before and possibly because they're super-rare. We now know, because we encountered one during the course of DAO, that the Darkspawn like to turn women into 'brood-mothers', quite disgusting indeed. But suppose we could learn that Darkspawn have more than one use for the women they capture, and it involves turning them into mighty fighters (or mighty magic-users, either way would be pretty cool), it would be a woman who is still quite attractive, but clearly looks different enough that she would stand out as a Darkspawn, albeit a very unique one. And this one in particular, the one that can join your team, has a mind of her own moreso than any other of her kind! Attractive enough to be a good romance option, but still enough like a Darkspawn to make you think twice before doing so . That sounds like the ultimate cool new team-mate to me!

A hot female darkspawn, hey now that'd be cool. As you said I may be cautious about romancing her, but I've always been a risk taker. This reminds me about those posts in which people were asking for a desire demon, and a possible romance with one. I don't know who I would romance, one is a darkspawn who could definitley hurt you if she wished, and the other is a demon, who could drain your life away, with an offer of something you desire, likley pleasure. Reminds me of the end result of a Morinth romance.

[Legion 2.5]

I really like how they did with Legion in Mass Effect 2. I hope they do the same with your darkspawn companion. Possible as a LI as well.

[alaska the 1st]

I know in the in "The Calling"

***HUGE SPOILER ALERT ****



that a female Darkspawn can happen without the broodmother thing happening, if a Grey Warden doesn't go on there Calling they don't die they turn into a darkspawn. Like in the novel were Genevieve and Utha both female turned into smart and highly skilled darkspawn

[langelog]

alaska the 1st wrote...

I know in the in "The Calling"
***HUGE SPOILER ALERT ****

that a female Darkspawn can happen without the broodmother thing happening, if a Grey Warden doesn't go on there Calling they don't die they turn into a darkspawn. Like in the novel were Genevieve and Utha both female turned into smart and highly skilled darkspawn

Now this I have to read, and this brings up many different possibilities to ponder. These Grey Wardens that become darkspawn, do they retain their memories from when they were human? Also, you say they are smart, can you elaborate, are they capable of speech?

[alaska the 1st]

langelog wrote...

alaska the 1st wrote...

I know in the in "The Calling"
***HUGE SPOILER ALERT ****

that a female Darkspawn can happen without the broodmother thing happening, if a Grey Warden doesn't go on there Calling they don't die they turn into a darkspawn. Like in the novel were Genevieve and Utha both female turned into smart and highly skilled darkspawn

Now this I have to read, and this brings up many different possibilities to ponder. These Grey Wardens that become darkspawn, do they retain their memories from when they were human? Also, you say they are smart, can you elaborate, are they capable of speech?

They are very capable of speech(Utha never talked because she's a silent sister), they do retain there memory so any amount intelligence is going to stay intact. But regret and anger become the more dominate emotions.

[langelog]

alaska the 1st wrote...

langelog wrote...

alaska the 1st wrote...

I know in the in "The Calling"
***HUGE SPOILER ALERT ****

that a female Darkspawn can happen without the broodmother thing happening, if a Grey Warden doesn't go on there Calling they don't die they turn into a darkspawn. Like in the novel were Genevieve and Utha both female turned into smart and highly skilled darkspawn

Now this I have to read, and this brings up many different possibilities to ponder. These Grey Wardens that become darkspawn, do they retain their memories from when they were human? Also, you say they are smart, can you elaborate, are they capable of speech?

They are very capable of speech(Utha never talked because she's a silent sister), they do retain there memory so any amount intelligence is going to stay intact. But regret and anger become the more dominate emotions.

Good to know, thankyou for sharing that.

[langelog]

Utha? She's the dwarf seen with the architect in Awakening if I'm not mistaken. She showed signs of darkspwan corruption, but she not completley turned. If a darkspawn who is a former Grey Warden could be recruited, it would solve problems of trust, since they were formally human, they would not have the bestial nature of their bretheren. For those pining for a female darkspawn, this is also made possible. I would be interested in the story of how this new companion came to be what they are, and if our Warden from the previous game could suffer the same fate if he or she does not go to Orzammar when the taint begins to take over. Imagine if a warrior as powerful as the Warden was turned darkspawn. After Awakening, you were considered a great diety, I would hate to see those skills behind a darkspawn's blade.

One last detail worth mentioning, female players are skeptical about having a darkspawn follow them, because it is known that darkspawn frequent in dragging women to the Deep Roads to turn them into Brood Mothers, I doubt a former Warden, though turned darkspawn would do the same.

Modifié par langelog, 17 juillet 2010 - 04:38 .

[In Exile]

langelog wrote...

andyr1986 wrote...

I really don't want to see a Darkspawn Companion. Its a terrible idea.

For people who say this is a bad idea, I want you to tell me why it's a bad idea, besides the obvious, "they're evil, and the taint".

They're abominations against nature and anathema to life. It's like teaming up with the reapers. The only possible terms for an alliance are if the darkspawn is willing to be complicit in the genocide of his "species". Darkspawn cannot reproduce as far as we know without kidnapping females, filling them with the tait, forcing them to eat the flesh of their species, and mutating them into horrible monsters as brood mothers, who then are attached to the ground and must vomit out darkspawn until they die.

To have any kind of intelligence, darkspawn must forcefully kidnap and drawn Grey Wardens of their blood. And as the Mother in DA:A showed, many intelligent darkspawn can go insane as a side-effect of awakening. This is putting aside the fact that we had the fifth blight because of the Architect (yay death of thousands!) and his "solution" to the problem of co-existence is exterminating all other races.

[packardbell]

A darkspawn companion would be great and would make sense were they from the same breed that could speak and think independently and what's better than getting information straight from the horses mouth? Also since the Blight never left Ferelden, I'm guessing people won't know what a Darkspawn might look like.. well obviously if you've got a grey warden in the area things might start heating up but with sufficient diplomacy the situation could be defused.

Modifié par packardbell, 17 juillet 2010 - 05:05 .

[Highdragonslayer]

We need a hydralisk companoin at least you won't disease you.

[angj57]

In Exile wrote...

langelog wrote...

I'm surprised at all the people who object to this, everybody loved Legion as a squadmate in ME2, would a darkspawn be so bad? Other than the two main reasons I'm reading as to why a darkspawn ally is a bad idea, I really don't see why it would be such a terrible thing, it couldn't possibly ruin the game, and for those who are intrigued by the awakened darkspawn this is a dream come true. I always found the Geth cool, and when I was given the chance to fight along side one I was thrilled. Bioware's idea for Legion a stupid idea, no. The idea for an awakened darkspawn companion stupid, absolutley not.

Legion presented a plausible turn for the geth: not all were working with Sovereign, not all cared about organic life, and those geth were planning to enslave the rest of the geth to eradicate organic life. The other geth were perfectly happy to leave organics well enough alone and seemed pretty onboard with the whole, kick the reapers six ways from Sunday. 

The darkspawn aren't like the geth. They're more like husks or the other kinds of abominations built by the reapers. They can only be born through an monstrous abomination like the brood mother, spread disease everywhere they go, their blood is poison for all living things... and they can spark an apocalypse if within 50 feet of an old god.

Darkspawn aren't very tolerated because they're crimes against existence, and awakened darkspawn are a degree of abomination on top of that, because of the anti-Joining ritual that takes place. Nope, I don't buy DA:A's attempt to give us intelligent darkspawn at all. They're all clearly abominations and need to be exterminated.

Terrible spoiler in a forum where everyone won't necessarily have played ME2. But I agree with you.