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You know, I've been following both DA:O and the upcoming DA2 possibly before the people griping here even heard of them. I saw everything I could find legally on the matter, even to the point of going to the Library of Congress' game section (yes, they have one) to look over anything and everything I could find on them they had.
People, you're complaining over screens of a test build at best. They're constantly tweaking, updating, upgrading, etc., every aspect of the game design so far for the best combination for their engine. I'm not in game design myself, but I've got aspirations that direction and thus I keep up on the tech, the processes they have to go through, and innumerable other details which would probably bore you. The screens seen in a magazine interview pre-release, especially this far ahead of release, are going to look bad. They always do. One of the things game developers do is tweak until it's time to ship for certification for "going gold". Everyone does it; nothing to see there.
The difference is, BioWare broke so much new ground with Origins that they elevated the Western cRPG standards to a level that only they can steadily maintain and push the boundaries of; I've played multiple cRPGs over the years, from companies too numerous to name, and blast it all, BioWare raised the bar to a near-impossible height and said to the competition, and themselves, "Now, let's see who hurdles it first."
Yes, the smaller Darkspawn look like crap, but it's both an early build and the screen itself to blame. We didn't get the level of detail on them that we did with the ogre, but you know, I looked forever at those DA:O ogres while I was killing them, and *they* were the ones that looked cartoonish. Not one of the other races, even other Darkspawn, were bloody lilac, for the sake of us all! It was off-putting to me, and really broke the game immersion for me every time I had to fight one. All those fairly reasonable-looking races and monsters, and here's this huge, muscular, hulking ogre who looked like he'd had a run-in with a village dye-vat. Distracting and dismaying.
Besides, the fact that they looked like run-of-the-mill LOTR monsters was one of the constant, major gripes here forever; "If you're going to have monsters which were twisted common races, make them look like it, and not like orcs and every other LOTR and D&D monster we know," you said. I'll dig up links for several if asked. You can't have it both ways, people. You want BioWare to listen to the cash customer; this is proof in action, and you're complaining that you got your wish? Christ, I know six-year olds with more sense.
To the OP, here's the thing, mate: No developer who is sane and on the winning roll with an IP is going to simply release a game as highly-anticipated as DA:O was and when the story writing and final work on the base engine was done, simply let it sit idle for years before rushing out a release. Nope, they use the old smithing term and "strike while the iron is hot." There was no justifiable reason for BioWare's Dragon Age team to sit on their hands for a while, get completely split up for other projects, and suddenly have to be called back from their assigned tasks to crank out a sequel because the masses were whining.
For my part, I think the improvements on the ogre are refreshing and much-needed. I'm going to reserve judgment on other Darkspawn until I can see a better screen of them.
Guys and girls, you won't know until it's closer to done how it's going to come out, and complaints only irritate the devs (and those of us willing to wait and see before passing judgment; admittedly, the dialogue wheel makes me nervous, but if the improvements rumored are true, then I've nothing to complain about). Try not to put the cart before the horse and avoid building Jack stories; rarely does any good, and mostly hurts your chances of being taken seriously if a genuine problem comes up. We're T-minus 8-9 months for release; there's not enough info out yet to make any kind of informed decision, and anything negative we perceive in the snippets we do have are getting blown out of proportion on a monumental scale.
Take a breath, blow it out; repeat several times, and just try to chill, huh?


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Left 4 Dead what? why what?

huh, what is this I don't even

Are you referring to L4D2?  It had more complex maps, new gameplay mechanics, new enemy types that drastically changed gameplay.  It makes L4D1 look like a test run.

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 13 juillet 2010 - 02:50 .


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Soldier989 wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

I hope they make there games more like cartoons. Mass Effect has a weird sterile quility compared to Dragon Age.

Ugh, no thanks, they're supposed to be Western RPGs, not JRPGs with stupidly oversized weapons


*Pictures DA:O's two-handers.*

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

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SchaerMann30 wrote...

You know, I've been following both DA:O and the upcoming DA2 possibly before the people griping here even heard of them. I saw everything I could find legally on the matter, even to the point of going to the Library of Congress' game section (yes, they have one) to look over anything and everything I could find on them they had.

What's it like, in that magical place?

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Do we really need a thousand threads on the same subjects?

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LPPrince wrote...

Do we really need a thousand threads on the same subjects?


You and I both know they wont stop being made until there heads explode, at least it will be quieter then :lol:

Modifié par Akiios, 13 juillet 2010 - 03:20 .


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Soldier989 wrote...

it's so obvious it's being "dumbed down" to appeal to the masses,

The artstyle also looks boring, generic, cartoonish and stupid


IE for the same people that play MW2 and Halo and can't go five seconds without something dying

or insulting someone over the internet.

Congratulations, you're becoming the person you describe.

Modifié par Ecael, 13 juillet 2010 - 03:26 .


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Akiios wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Do we really need a thousand threads on the same subjects?


You and I both know they wont stop being made until there heads explode, at least it will be quieter then :lol:


That's the problem.

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IronVanguard wrote...

What's it like, in that magical place?


Quite frankly, it's peaceful, relaxing, mind-expanding, awe-inspiring every time, and just one of the most wonderful feelings in the world to know that such a place exists in the stress-filled, hectic U.S., and that it's open to anyone who wants to take the time to come makes it just that much more special of a place.:wub:

It's better than Disney World; you could spend a lifetime exploring the Library of Congress, not see it all, and yet still could die happy because you managed to see what you did. Even one visit there gives a person that feeling if they've the sensitivity of a clam.

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Well, what do you know? My first double-post here!:devil:

Modifié par SchaerMann30, 13 juillet 2010 - 03:42 .


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one of the biggest premature over-reaction's I've ever seen.  oh the magic that is the internet.  

people need to calm down and put a bit more trust into bioware.  they've never failed me once so far, why should i jump the gun now?  im going to save my criticism (if there is any) to when ive actually had a chance to play the freaking thing.  

if i posted a picture of one of my toenails, and told everybody my age and eye color, would yall be able to accurately judge my overall sexiness?  no, i dont think so.  hell you wouldn't even be able to figure out what gender i am with such little information.  if i've lost you at this point, think about it.  

ps: Ebon Hawke ;) looks like a young grizzly adams.  

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Ecael wrote...

Soldier989 wrote...

it's so obvious it's being "dumbed down" to appeal to the masses,

The artstyle also looks boring, generic, cartoonish and stupid


IE for the same people that play MW2 and Halo and can't go five seconds without something dying

or insulting someone over the internet.

Congratulations, you're becoming the person you describe.

Well I don't own a Xbox 360 or either of those games, I didn't name anybody, and I believe the people on this website have a brain and don't play Halo or MW2, so how am I "becoming the person I you described"?
 

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Soldier989 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Soldier989 wrote...

it's so obvious it's being "dumbed down" to appeal to the masses,



The artstyle also looks boring, generic, cartoonish and stupid




IE for the same people that play MW2 and Halo and can't go five seconds without something dying



or insulting someone over the internet.

Congratulations, you're becoming the person you describe.

Well I don't own a Xbox 360 or either of those games, I didn't name anybody, and I believe the people on this website have a brain and don't play Halo or MW2, so how am I "becoming the person I you described"?
 



Y'know, I play halo, Gears Of War and MW2 (Admittedly only single player and co-op for all those games)  and that has done absolutely nothing to impede my thorough enjoyment of Dragon Age: Origins or any other Bioware game.  I have diverse tastes and it irritates me when others try to lump everyone who plays those games into the swearing twelve year old crowd. 

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 13 juillet 2010 - 03:07 .


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OMG, looks like PS1 graphics. Bioware please change this. Return engine of DA1, is better than this ****. Horrible

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The game isn't going to look worse (detail/lighting wise) because it's a sequel (unless soemthing goes horribly wrong). Now whether you like the new Art Direction is a different matter. Personally I'm not too keen on the small darkspawn with spikey things but we'll see how it goes.

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I thought the armor looked kinda goofy, but the ogre looks better than in Origins. More like a corrupted, diseased human than yet another orc. It's more distinctive.

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We haven't seen nearly enough information to decide if it's rushed or not so I don't beleive it has been rushed.

And the race option being taken out was a good option, imo.

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Eh. Let's see more screens, and some trailers before worrying about the graphics.

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This is a NEED MORE INFORMATION situation.



All I can say is that Dragon Age's graphics are great and I hope we'll see better graphics for DA II.

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"•Discover a whole realm rendered in stunning detail with updated graphics and a new visual style."



That is on the website. That is the standard to judge the trailer by when it comes in August.

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Soldier989 wrote...
I mean seriously! LOOK AT THIS! The Darkspawn look like saturday morning cartoon villians!
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Haha, that's a good one.  Nice photoshop there.  Really.  I mean, that's not actually a screen from the game is it?  Really?  Come on now.....

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Nozybidaj wrote...

Soldier989 wrote...
I mean seriously! LOOK AT THIS! The Darkspawn look like saturday morning cartoon villians!
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Haha, that's a good one.  Nice photoshop there.  Really.  I mean, that's not actually a screen from the game is it?  Really?  Come on now.....


It's a alhpa shot. It's not the finish product.

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My cat would like to have a word with you.

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A bit early for this kind of immature bull**** don't you think.

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yodasmith00 wrote...

A bit early for this kind of immature bull**** don't you think.


Its never too early for immature bull****. Never will be.

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