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[Dacen315]

You know, this is probably what's going to happen when the trailers come out. Some concerned (and very rightfully so) fans will not like options incorporated into DA2, while other people will be like "The game isn't even out yet, there's no possible way you think this will work or not." when a trailer should give you a pretty good idea of what it's offering. Better our concerns be said now, then when the trailer comes out, because at the time it comes out, odd's are, they've already started it or programmed it in.

[Feraele]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

DA2 has JUST been announced..everyone is already thinking ist will suck, it will be like mass effect, that the graphics still look lame, that hawke is a stupid character...ITS JUST BEEN ANNOUNCED PEOPLE...it wont be released to freaking 2011 in march.

and to all the complaints everyone has had

1. having hawke talk makes your character ALIVE and not just some silent emotionless protaginist

2. the combat is not gonna be a 3rd person shooter, it will be like origins but updated.

3.ok, your not a warden raising an army to fight the blight do we want to do the SAME PLOT we did in 2009

4.and the graphics...WHO CARES, graphics dont make a games, sucky games like cod have great graphics, but AWSOME games like the first dragon age have terriblie graphics..and they are BETA GRAPHICS DA2 is still being updated, no game has the full made graphics from the start.

say what you like but if your a loyal fan to bioware who loved kotor, dragon age, the mass effect series, and buldars gate i dont see how anyone could be worried...its bioware OK its gonna be an awsome game maybe the best ever

Oh I dunno everything is going along swimmingly here, thus far I have predicted correctly where this whole show was going.   

I am just waiting to hear that the whole sequel will be anime, to confirm...I mean that would just make my day.   *laughs*

Its really too bad.   I guess they'll never make another ambitious project like Origins was.   Time and budget,  time and budget.   

Ah well.

[errant_knight]

I don't think it will make a difference, anyway. They seem pretty set on moving to a more third person, cinematic game. Thing is, making your opinions known is a little like voting for a left wing candidate in Alberta--or Texas--you know it won't do any good, but you think it's important, so you do it.

[Ecael]

Dacen315 wrote...

You know, this is probably what's going to happen when the trailers come out. Some concerned (and very rightfully so) fans will not like options incorporated into DA2, while other people will be like "The game isn't even out yet, there's no possible way you think this will work or not." when a trailer should give you a pretty good idea of what it's offering. Better our concerns be said now, then when the trailer comes out, because at the time it comes out, odd's are, they've already started it or programmed it in.

Only if it's a gameplay trailer.

[haberman13]

Feraele wrote...

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

DA2 has JUST been announced..everyone is already thinking ist will suck, it will be like mass effect, that the graphics still look lame, that hawke is a stupid character...ITS JUST BEEN ANNOUNCED PEOPLE...it wont be released to freaking 2011 in march.

and to all the complaints everyone has had

1. having hawke talk makes your character ALIVE and not just some silent emotionless protaginist

2. the combat is not gonna be a 3rd person shooter, it will be like origins but updated.

3.ok, your not a warden raising an army to fight the blight do we want to do the SAME PLOT we did in 2009

4.and the graphics...WHO CARES, graphics dont make a games, sucky games like cod have great graphics, but AWSOME games like the first dragon age have terriblie graphics..and they are BETA GRAPHICS DA2 is still being updated, no game has the full made graphics from the start.

say what you like but if your a loyal fan to bioware who loved kotor, dragon age, the mass effect series, and buldars gate i dont see how anyone could be worried...its bioware OK its gonna be an awsome game maybe the best ever

Oh I dunno everything is going along swimmingly here, thus far I have predicted correctly where this whole show was going.   

I am just waiting to hear that the whole sequel will be anime, to confirm...I mean that would just make my day.   *laughs*

Its really too bad.   I guess they'll never make another ambitious project like Origins was.   Time and budget,  time and budget.   

Ah well.

Someone posted a graph of time/budget for games over the last 30 years .... It is something like x2000 compared to games 10 years ago.

I don't blame Bioware, they are stuck between a rock and hard place (plus EA breathing down their necks).

If they can keep making fairly engaging story based games that aren't offensively stupid, we will still buy them.

Indie devs (or non-mainstream) are where the "big idea" projects will come from, albeit with less polish.

(think Witcher 2)

[Adanu]

TSamee wrote...

Adanu wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...
Well, I wasn't aware Bioware valued some money over others.

We don't.
My point is that some people apparently think we should-- that the "console kiddie" or the person with "no imagination" or the person who plays a game only once is somehow less worthwhile a person to develop a game for even though they spent exactly the same amount of money on the game as the PC gamer, the person with all the imagination in the world who likes to read their own dialogue or the person who re-plays the game a hundred times (or hangs out on these forums, even).
My point is that if you wish to use arguments with each other, or with us, as to why you should be listened to-- perhaps leaving elitism out of it would be the smart choice, that's all I'm saying.

Are you saying that the casual idiot who barely plays your game is more worth your time than the attentive, contributing member of the community who has a dozen characters and offers contructive criticism?

I'm sorry, but that logic does not work for me. Some people are inherently going to be more worthy of your time than others. If you think otherwise, this explains a great deal about the details we've been told thus far about DA2.

Don't get me wrong, I am going to give the game a try... but I am under no illusion that Bioware is going to live
up to its original promise after doing a 180 from the original ideas they proclaimed for the series.

?? Casual idiot? who exactly are you calling the "casual idiot"? Everyone who bothers posting on the forum has enough interest in the game to play it and give an opinion. And those who aren't a member of the BioWare forums will post elsewhere, on Destructoid, CVG, NeoGaf, etc. Are you targeting the so-called "casual gamer"? The people for whom gaming isn't a large part of life, but an occasional passtime? People aren't born fans of Dragon Age, they're made into them by trying the game out. A wide consumer base (one that includes the "casual idiots" of today) allows more people to try Dragon Age and enter the so-called "hardcore". I played Mass Effect because it mixed shooter combat with the traditional mechanics of an RPG really well. It was my first BioWare game (I played KOTOR afterwards, because of my experience with ME). I played DA:O because of my experience with Mass Effect, and I bought Mass Effect because it managed to appeal to me, at that time a "casual gamer" in terms of RPGs.

The key here is making the game attractive to those who aren't familiar with the RPG genre, but with enough depth so that RPG vets can enjoy it, as can the game's casual players on a second playthrough. In changing Dragon Age, that's what they're doing, and, so long as it's done well, this can only be a good thing.

I'm calling people who barely touch a game and don't bother reading at all in the codex and only barely touch the codex and expect to be spoon fed all information and people like them casual idiots. They are not what these sort of games aim for, and catering to them overmuch ruins it for the rest of us who do care.

I will be as elitist as I desire when it comes to the games I play. Everyone else does it, and I have no desire to have my wants trampled upon.

[Dacen315]

@ Ecael

Not necessarily. A Trailer of any form should give you a basic idea of what the game's about, how the gameplay is, and other details.

[Feraele]

leader1 wrote...

people have a right to voice their concerns, especially in things that they care about. all of us (hopefully) care about the games BW make, that's why we're here.

i agree that with the DA2 just being announced, it's too early to pass judgement. however, with what they have announced so far, this game is coming out with a complete about face of what DA:O was, and coming more in line with BW's other franchise... which happens to be ME.

now of course that is a 'big' change as it is. i prefer a wait-and-see approach but do voice my concern that I don't like the change. DA:O is the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate as BW said. so i was expecting a return to that kind of game. where you have a character you created and played to through 4 games (BG, TotSC, BG2:SoA, BG2:ToB).

and let me tell you that playing the same character for those 4 games was epic. not just maxing out your PC, but the going through the story in itself was epic. you feel for your PC while the game goes on.

that's what i was expecting and i think most of the other players here complaining about the change. i feel shortchanged, i was expecting something in the lines of what the BG series was.

BW needs to hear what their fans are saying about this game whether pro or con. how can they make a good game if we don't tell them what we like or don't like?

I  agree with all of your points, and just want to add this,  that it seems any time some of us state we don't like whats happening with the game,  we get told to stop whining, or our concerns are brushed aside by the "prominent" people on this board.   Or we get ignored entirely.      There is a basis for the complaints, changes are happening that make this sequel ...at this point and time, resemble very much the way ME is set up.

Same flavour.   

If I wanted a pre-made character I would go play Tomb Raider or some game like that.   I certainly wasn't of the crowd that carried on about having a "voiced" character either. 

As for connections with the original campaign, I think we'll get brief glimpses...one or two maybe where you can "say" there is a connection but there isn't really.   Just like Awakening where "our choices will matter"   hehe 

Where? ...in the two paragraph bugged slider at the end,  oh yes I know..if you choose the second line of dialogue when you speak to the crazy dwarf that makes bombs,  he indicates in a very short sentence, your choice of King in Orzammar.    

Yes Bioware needs to hear what their fans are saying, but I have to mention what I think about that.

I think ANYTHING we are offering up as opinions, imput..constructive criticism, is going to fall on deaf ears, because..I am sure most of the sequel is probably written in stone by now.      Anything we say won't be heard, won't be considered....moot point.   

You know the sad part about this is I heard about Dragon Age II a couple days ago,   surfed to the webpage, got all excited and began to think I was going to get to play a whole lot more DA.     After seeing this blurb at Gameinformer,  it made me do a complete about-face.

This isn't the Dragon Age I know..and I know it well, been playing it steadily since last November on release day.   I have clocked in alot of hours...alot of time spent. 

I am not averse to change,  I am averse to things not continuing on where they should, and when they should.

I'm afraid a "masseffectified Dragon Age" is not where I am at..or ever will be.

[Bratt1204]

Atomic Space Vixen wrote...

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

its gonna be an awsome game maybe the best ever

Does praising a game just recently announced make any more sense?

Touche

[Feraele]

errant_knight wrote...

I don't think it will make a difference, anyway. They seem pretty set on moving to a more third person, cinematic game. Thing is, making your opinions known is a little like voting for a left wing candidate in Alberta--or Texas--you know it won't do any good, but you think it's important, so you do it.

Exactly what I am thinking too Errant.    I KNOW it won't make a difference.   So we're all here indicating our passion for the game, and where its headed.     Meanwhile back at the ranch, everything has already been done and implemented.

We're just latecomers to the party.

[II Relics II]

I am witholding all opinions until more info is released...

However, it does seem that a little melding of Mass Effect and Dragon Age is happening (a.k.a one playable main character)

But!!

People shouldn't jump to conclusions (yet)... In Bioware I trust (until they make me mad)

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

Adanu wrote...

I'm calling people who barely touch a game and don't bother reading at all in the codex and only barely touch the codex and expect to be spoon fed all information and people like them casual idiots. They are not what these sort of games aim for, and catering to them overmuch ruins it for the rest of us who do care.

I will be as elitist as I desire when it comes to the games I play. Everyone else does it, and I have no desire to have my wants trampled upon.

I want you to do something for me.  I want you to go find your mother - no, it's nothing pervy, don't look at me like that.  I want you to go find your mother and ask her what 'politeness' means.  Apparently she forgot to drill the concept into you when you were younger.

Also, if someone could provide a valid, constructive argument based on 2 screenshots, 2 concept sketches and a couple paragraphs of text, as to exactly why Dragon Age 2 is going to be Mass Effect Medieval, please feel free to do so.

[Haexpane]

I'm not freaking out, I'm just disappointed w/ the marketing speak bullet points released so far.



I was really hoping that a true BG2 "successor" would thrive on the PS3 and not be turned into a God of War clone w/ Mass Effect characters and structure (doomsday scenario, I hope it's far from true)

[Bratt1204]

Gyroscopic_Trout wrote...

Adanu wrote...

I'm calling people who barely touch a game and don't bother reading at all in the codex and only barely touch the codex and expect to be spoon fed all information and people like them casual idiots. They are not what these sort of games aim for, and catering to them overmuch ruins it for the rest of us who do care.

I will be as elitist as I desire when it comes to the games I play. Everyone else does it, and I have no desire to have my wants trampled upon.

I want you to do something for me.  I want you to go find your mother - no, it's nothing pervy, don't look at me like that.  I want you to go find your mother and ask her what 'politeness' means.  Apparently she forgot to drill the concept into you when you were younger.

Also, if someone could provide a valid, constructive argument based on 2 screenshots, 2 concept sketches and a couple paragraphs of text, as to exactly why Dragon Age 2 is going to be Mass Effect Medieval, please feel free to do so.

This is exactly what everyone was saying about Awakening ,"Oh give it a chance, don't complain until you've played it". Thing is - people thought that expansion was going to be crap and it WAS. I just think making a game that doesn't give its customers what they want is idiotic. So, who cares, let  Bioware do what they want - oh wait, they already do. They certainly don't care what we want

Modifié par Bratt1204, 18 juillet 2010 - 04:33 .

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

Bratt1204 wrote...

Gyroscopic_Trout wrote...

Adanu wrote...

I'm calling people who barely touch a game and don't bother reading at all in the codex and only barely touch the codex and expect to be spoon fed all information and people like them casual idiots. They are not what these sort of games aim for, and catering to them overmuch ruins it for the rest of us who do care.

I will be as elitist as I desire when it comes to the games I play. Everyone else does it, and I have no desire to have my wants trampled upon.

I want you to do something for me.  I want you to go find your mother - no, it's nothing pervy, don't look at me like that.  I want you to go find your mother and ask her what 'politeness' means.  Apparently she forgot to drill the concept into you when you were younger.

Also, if someone could provide a valid, constructive argument based on 2 screenshots, 2 concept sketches and a couple paragraphs of text, as to exactly why Dragon Age 2 is going to be Mass Effect Medieval, please feel free to do so.

This is exactly what everyone was saying about Awakening ,"Oh give it a chance, don't complain until you've played it". Thing is - people thought that expansion was going to be crap and it WAS. I just think making a game that doesn't give its customers what they want is idiotic. So, who cares, let  Bioware do what they want - oh, wait, they already do. They certainly don't care what we want

Voicing your concerns is one thing.  Getting worked up over something that hasn't occured yet is another.  I just want to know how we've gone from "Hawke will be fully voice-acted" to people suggesting that DA2 will be a God of War clone, or any of the other peculiar ideas floating about.

[II Relics II]

Well, I don't quite know where Bioware seems to be going with this one, it seems to be a complete 180 degree turn around from DA:O... There is apparently going to be no blight, a single stream-lined character, No Wardens (yet), and it seems that DA2's combat system is going to be geared more towards a hack and slash system rather than DA:O's tactical combat system (just an assumption)



I don't get it... It seems that the devs are trying to re-format the Dragon Age series to be more like the Mass Effect series. I hope that's not the case.

[II Relics II]

PilotJoe wrote...

There is an article over on Rockpapershotgun.com  that neatly summarizes the collective shock many folks are having.

A couple choice paragraphs from the article:

(discussing the enormous sales success of DA:O)
"I’m going to make a bit of a wild guess that something a little similar to Sins of a Solar Empire happened. The game appealed heavily to a bunch of gamers who know exactly what they want, who have money to spend and are prepared to spend it, rather than just a mass of floating audience who were simply curious. People who go deep, especially. Dedicated, passionate, impossibly valuable customers.

If DA2 really is going ME2, that’s then an astonishingly risky gambit. In the name of having an even bigger success yet, they’re risking alienating their biggest audience so far by emulating the approach of less successful but broader, more widely-hyped game."

You sir are a genius

[Games4ever]

It's much better to start the complaining now

than starting one week before it is published,in that way they still have time to change something, with only one week left they don't have time to change anything.



this is 2010 and we are the smart people :-)

[Haexpane]

I always give Bioware a chance.



I've bought every DLC you can.



What was the reward? Bugged Vigilance/Sentinel in Awakenings and it's been classified as a "will not fix"

[triggerhappy456]

i trust bioware to continue doing what they have always done, make brilliant rpgs

nowadays i think bioware are the only game company whose name on the box makes me want to buy a game, as every game by them i can think of has been good

if they want to make the next da different to the first, then let them experiment, different doesnt mean bad.

[DevilShootsDevil]

http://www.examiner....-dialogue-wheel



**** you Bioware. You HAVE Mass Effect 3 on the way, what the **** are you doing?

[Azint]

Bioware has a wonderful fanbase filled with concerned individuals who put it in their best interest to note any worries they may have with upcoming projects. It is also heartwarming to see how each of these fans takes the time to read into what Bioware is doing and try to understand on the level the developers are thinking while conveying their own thoughts on these forums.

[dragonsony09]

ham i the only one that is not happy about hour wardens not makeing a come back in da:o2 when i finished da:o1) i couldn't wait for da:o2 and now we find that our wardens arn't in it well i'am pissd i'll still buy the game but it won't be the same with out the hero of Ferelden (sad but true)PLEASE BRING BACK THE WARDENS BIOWARE