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[chiliztri]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

OMG see what i meen most of these peopel(not everyone) is just complaining about the grapichs, so let me get this straight...cod series has buggy multyplayer with campers, an annoying fanbase, 6 hour campaign, and unimpressive story..but the graphics are really good so its a good game? ff13 has boring turn based combat, cliche stupid emo characters, chliche story, but graphics are outstanding so its a good game..

so DA2 will suck because it dosent look like freaking crysis 2 is that it..IF..i repeat IF it has great combat,great story, tons to do, and great replayability it will suck cuz graphics arent top of the line...and for the 1000TH time..THE. SCREENSHOTS. ARE. ALPHA. ITS NOT FINISHED

No one said that DA2 will suck because it doesn't look like Crysis. I don't know where you got that from. Do you think I would be playing Bioware games if I cared about graphics?

I thought DAO had spiffy graphics. My concern is that the graphics and artstyle look worse than Origins in those specific screenshots. Those screenshots look horrible, and I dislike the cartoony vibe I'm getting when we previously had very decent artstyle and graphics in Origins.

[Cazic of LFD]

LPPrince wrote...

Cazic of LFD wrote...

This game is getting panned due to the rediculously bad decisions Bioware has made so far regarding the design of this game. 

Sounds like Bobby Kotick has taken over at Bioware and has dumbed down another game for the retarded console masses to gobble up.

Off to report that. Seriously, tone down the language and disrespect.

Go ahead report me, while you are at it, try growing some thicker skin.

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

HEY kalfear



1.just becasue your character talks dosent meen hes CODED all the way..you still decide his look, story, and personality



2.when i said they would update combat i said they would make it like firstt game but add powers, attacks, balance more, ect.



3.the story did finish dude. you killed the archdemon then went to armirinthine and killed the mother.



4. dragon age graphics dont exaclty suck(in my opinion) they are just outdated, and im standing up for the fact that people pann the game just for that...



and just cuz im not worried dosent meen im mindless who are you to decide that kalfear. i have so far burnt over 250 hours into dragon age so you cant say i havent played it..and i stand for well wriiten well done rpgs (KOTOR, ME series, DA series, FALLOUT series, FABLE series, and ELDER SCROLLS series, and zelda if ya know ya consider that an rpg.)



ps just cause my name APPARENTLY isnt "cool' like yours kalfear dosent make you superior.

[LPPrince]

Cazic of LFD wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Cazic of LFD wrote...

This game is getting panned due to the rediculously bad decisions Bioware has made so far regarding the design of this game. 

Sounds like Bobby Kotick has taken over at Bioware and has dumbed down another game for the retarded console masses to gobble up.

Off to report that. Seriously, tone down the language and disrespect.

Go ahead report me, while you are at it, try growing some thicker skin.

I'm a console gamer. Sorry if I'm offended, but I don't see how playing on one console makes you any more mindless than someone on another.

PC, 360, PS3, Sega Saturn, Atari, whatever. None of that has any bearing on a user's intelligence.

[Massadonious1]

Cazic of LFD wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Cazic of LFD wrote...

This game is getting panned due to the rediculously bad decisions Bioware has made so far regarding the design of this game. 

Sounds like Bobby Kotick has taken over at Bioware and has dumbed down another game for the retarded console masses to gobble up.

Off to report that. Seriously, tone down the language and disrespect.

Go ahead report me, while you are at it, try growing some thicker skin.

Yes, obviously. How dare anyone become offended or annoyed by gross generalzations.

Speaking of..

These fine fellas sure aren't playing Gears of War.

Modifié par Seagloom, 13 juillet 2010 - 10:27 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 13 juillet 2010 - 06:56 .

[LPPrince]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I remember something about the forums making Counter Strike's community look like upstanding citizens being here.

Nah. My imagination.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Nah, they would just freak out at every change. However Never got the "OMG 1.6!!! Valve is dumbing down Counter Strike cuz consoles are on the horizon!!!11!!" Argument

[Zulmoka531]

I've been a big Bioware fan since BG 1, and frankly I love their games. But just becuase I love them and the games they make doesn't mean I'm too keen on what they are doing to DA2.



The thing I loved about DAO, was that it was..more along the original RPG lines. Kotor like, Baldur's Gate like. And frankly I loved Mass effect and it's sequel. I played DOA and ME2 simultaneously, trading off the contrasting play styles every so often.



But I don't want DA2, to be like ME2. And that's what it is sounded, more and more, as to what it's going to become. I don't feel much closure from DOA, not enough to pretend my Warden is off doing her own merry thing come one of the timelines in DA2, on top of the the fact that the game play may very well be "Hack slash and hide behind cover to let my shield repair"

[Jimmy Fury]

I have to confess i'm endlessly amused by the people who are taking everything personally. Like BioWare got together in some secret underground layer with their cloaks and torches and just spent months plotting how to destroy 1 forumites life.

I have some reservations but at the same time it's a $70 game. More like $90 if there's a CE.
If it sucks that's almost a months worth of groceries I can buy instead. win/win!

[Massadonious1]

If we couldn't use personal anguish as justification, we wouldn't have much to argue about.

[b09boy]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

I think its the "Oh noes they showed it now therefor its the same during release" mentality that needs to end.

So your way of ending it is pointing out an ignorant comparison? 

[Blacklash93]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

I didn't know it was illegal to be skeptical. And if a game is really ugly graphics wise, I wouldn't want to have to melt my eyes to play it. But that's just me.

Pre alpha. It's pre alpha. How do you not understand this? Those screenshots are not the finished product and games go through allot of changes in the last year of production.

If DA1's graphics are any indication than we're in for a sub par visual experience... 

The thing is, Ray promised us something "super hot" looking. He said they were doing a lot of work on the engine and the tech.

Thus, we expected something at least halfway decent. Not the bland-looking garbage we see now.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 13 juillet 2010 - 07:30 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Maybe it looks fine in motion.

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

i have say SO FAR..by judgeing the ALPHA screenshots..the character models look great but the enviornment could use work...

[SithLordExarKun]

b09boy wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

I think its the "Oh noes they showed it now therefor its the same during release" mentality that needs to end.

So your way of ending it is pointing out an ignorant comparison? 

Precisely.

An ignorant comparison for an ignorant mentality.

But really, the screenshots really have poor lighting, no matter how detailed a texture or a model is, it looks like crap unless accompanied by great lighting.

Have you seen the Uncharted 2, Crysis character models without adequate lighting? They look like absolute crap. Hell even Red dead's graphics look fantastic in the day time, but look sub par at night when there is little to no light.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 13 juillet 2010 - 07:45 .

[joriandrake]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Cazic of LFD wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Cazic of LFD wrote...

This game is getting panned due to the rediculously bad decisions Bioware has made so far regarding the design of this game. 

Sounds like Bobby Kotick has taken over at Bioware and has dumbed down another game for the retarded console masses to gobble up.

Off to report that. Seriously, tone down the language and disrespect.

Go ahead report me, while you are at it, try growing some thicker skin.

Yes, obviously. How dare anyone become offended or annoyed by gross generalzations.

Speaking of..

These fine fellas sure aren't playing Gears of War.

mocking rpg-ers on rpg forums is like going to a black fascist meeting in KKK robes, prepare to be lynched, quartered, and hanged sir, in this sequence

Modifié par Seagloom, 13 juillet 2010 - 10:28 .

[uberdowzen]

Kalfear wrote...

1) I can tell you have no imagination. People like to invent how their character sounds, not have it hard coded for them.

What do you never read books? Do you only listen to audio books with
someone else reading for you?

I honestly had no problem with there not being a voiced PC in DAO but I also have no problem with there being one in DA2. I'd actually be fine with a voiced PC in DAO as long as there were plenty of options for the voice.

2) Actually the combat will be "exactly" Like the PC version of DA:O so there is no update. Pretty common quote if you read rather then type.

Oh wait thats right, the audio version of the dev and writer statements not out yet!
Your forgiven

That's good.

3) No ones asking for the same storyline, there asking for the story to continue and finish! Awakenings did a decent job of giving closure (if you get past the still unfixed bugs and play it to end) but the DA:O story still not finished and thats what people asking for if you stop typing and start reading.
Oh damn, theres that R word again!

And who said that DA2 isn't going to have any continuity from DAO? From what I've read DA2 is going to be continuing some ongoing plot which only started in Origins. I'd be highly surprised if DA2 didn't let you import Origins saves in some form. Thinking about it, that could actually work better than it did in ME2, as it could just take some of the major decsions rather than ME2's every single choice approach.

And I thought my Origins story had closure. Defeated the big evil guy, (possibly) had met the girl/guy of his/her dreams, what more could you want?

4) DA:O graphics didnt suck.

They didn't suck and parts of them looked quite good but they weren't great. They were acceptable and got the job done but they weren't great. I am completely in the camp that good graphics are unimportant (I just finished Darwinia that makes you feel sorry for 2d stick figures running around on jaggy landscapes) but when the rest of Origins was so close to perfection I'm not going to complain that they make the graphics better. This actually brings me to another point: There was very little to improve on in Origins. Another game exactly like that with 2 or 3 minor changes would be pointless. I actually quite like that they are taking it in a slightly different direction.

Closure: Its the RPG fans that supported all those titles you listed off that are concerned. The dont worry be mindless crowd your appart of all mostly (not all but many) admit they didnt play the earlier titles. Hell many of them dont even have DA:O registered. They just ME2 players here gloating that it sounds like anouther franchise changing to the ADD twitch style they want!

Im so sick and tire of the ME2 crowd and its cyber bullies coming here gloating and insulting the long time RPGs that are concerned. PAYING CUSTOMERS have a right to be concerned if they want and most of them have tried to make decent threads detailing their concerns but the TROLLS (Sorry Stanley but they are what they are) come in and call them whiners and other names because they lack the maturity and imagination to enjoy well written RPGs like DA:O.

If these so called whiners didnt care so passionately they wouldnt bother posting, they would just leave but they been invested in this company for alot longer then the average ME2 poster like Ecael and her horde have been. So how about you let people have their say and if all you can do is call them whiners doom and gloomers and such for wanting to let Bioware know they liked the old product! How about you all just goto bed like you were told hours before!

Yeah, but any DA2 critisicm is based on 2 screenshots from the alpha of the game and a very small amount of info that wouldn't even fill half an A4 page! Wait until the first preview comes out, then reassess.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I had never even heard of Bioware until Dragon Age:Origins. I hope their choices don't throw them back into that kind of obscurity.

Word?

[Tirigon]

[quote]UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

DA2 has JUST been announced..everyone is already thinking ist will suck, it will be like mass effect, that the graphics still look lame, that hawke is a stupid character...ITS JUST BEEN ANNOUNCED PEOPLE...it wont be released to freaking 2011 in march.[/quote]
Criticism that comes now might still be taken in consideration by the devs (in fact, probably not, but they could, if they wanted). It´s more wise to criticize no than after the release, when it´s too late to change anything.

[quote]and to all the complaints everyone has had

1. having hawke talk makes your character ALIVE and not just some silent emotionless protaginist[/quote]
For you maybe. I, and many others, don´t think so. I think, in an RPG it´s the player who defines the character and his emotions.

[quote]2. the combat is not gonna be a 3rd person shooter, it will be like origins but updated.[/quote]
Mass Effect 2 combat was the same than ME1 but updated....
Note that I personally wouldn´t mind more action / hack´n´slash combat, just saying.

[quote]3.ok, your not a warden raising an army to fight the blight do we want to do the SAME PLOT we did in 2009[/quote]
Agreed

[quote]4.and the graphics...WHO CARES, graphics dont make a games, sucky games like cod have great graphics, but AWSOME games like the first dragon age have terriblie graphics..and they are BETA GRAPHICS DA2 is still being updated, no game has the full made graphics from the start.[/quote]
Dragon Age Grahics is better than COD. COD graphics SUCK LIKE HELL!
However, graphics are important in a game. I can play games with bad graphics if I played them many years ago already, but if I have a new game I want it to look good. I mean, it does not need to be as great as AvP, but at least the same as DAO / ME2 should b there,

say what you like but if your a loyal fan to bioware who loved kotor, dragon age, the mass effect series, and buldars gate i dont see how anyone could be worried...its bioware OK its gonna be an awsome game maybe the best ever[/quote]

Modifié par Tirigon, 13 juillet 2010 - 10:02 .

[BallaZs]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

DA2 has JUST been announced..everyone is already thinking ist will suck, it will be like mass effect, that the graphics still look lame, that hawke is a stupid character...ITS JUST BEEN ANNOUNCED PEOPLE...it wont be released to freaking 2011 in march.

and to all the complaints everyone has had

1. having hawke talk makes your character ALIVE and not just some silent emotionless protaginist

2. the combat is not gonna be a 3rd person shooter, it will be like origins but updated.

3.ok, your not a warden raising an army to fight the blight do we want to do the SAME PLOT we did in 2009

4.and the graphics...WHO CARES, graphics dont make a games, sucky games like cod have great graphics, but AWSOME games like the first dragon age have terriblie graphics..and they are BETA GRAPHICS DA2 is still being updated, no game has the full made graphics from the start.

say what you like but if your a loyal fan to bioware who loved kotor, dragon age, the mass effect series, and buldars gate i dont see how anyone could be worried...its bioware OK its gonna be an awsome game maybe the best ever

I keep saying the same thing since the game has been announced.
Persuading these 'fans' not to complain is just waste of time. I understand those who are worried but theres no need to bring down HELL on this game. I belive that DA2 is going to be awesome, I love the facts that we know so far about it.
Have faith in BioWare I'm sure that they know what are they doing.

[Gecon]

Wait a moment.

So according to the OP, I should shut up and wait before the game release to tell Bioware THEN what I dont like about it ???

Aah yes.

Thats surely a wise suggestion.

Thanks for enlighten me.

So all Bioware would have to do at that point is travel back in time and change their previous decisions, yes ?

Thank god for Star Trek, I guess.

Given the fact that I cant play anything but human, I'm already thinking of skipping over this one. I already failed to get my beloved real darkelves in DA1 (all that was missing was a real dark gray or deep dark lavender/mauve/lilac skin color for them, as even white hair was present), but now I'm forced to play a boring human in DA2 ?!?

With this pace, we're getting a predefined nobody like in Gothic with DA3.

[Narreneth]

The problem is that a lot of people who are making the most common complaints have an extremely narrow definition of what is and is not an RPG. Many of them use the ME1 - ME2 comparison with such disdain that the thought of even *trying* to converse with them on the topic exasperates me. There are a *lot* of different elements that make something an RPG; not the least of which is the ability to make choices that impact your character, party, and the overall story.



Many of these people vehemently defend not having a voiced PC by the ability to transfer their own emotions to their character via their supposed creativity; yet, the primary method of delivering lines in DA:O and other non-voiced games has *exactly* what your character is saying spelled out before you. There is nothing creative in that. Furthermore, transferring your own emotion into the lines you are picking is ridiculous. The character you are talking to reacts to the line the same regardless of how you imagine yourself saying it. If you pick an angry line but somehow think it's not angry, you're not being creative you just misinterpreted the context of what was being said. Your emotion is not what makes these scenes work as an RPG; the fact that you make the choice of what is said is what makes it an RPG.



In addition, many of these people making these complaints are making the assertion that *they* are "true" RPG fans yet those that disagree with them are not. This is completely asinine. Everyone here is a fan of RPGs (at least on some level) or they wouldn't have been interested in these games to begin with.



What really needs to happen is people need to calm down and let more information present itself before they start flying off the handle about everything. Rather than assuming something is happening, try asking some questions. I swear it's like the only thing in their life is games and if one isn't *exactly* what they want their entire year is completely ruined because they've got nothing else going on. (Before you jump down my throat for saying that these people don't have lives or something: I'm not. I'm simply pointing out the vehemency that some of them are posting with makes it seem like they live in a box with a PC and a console and only emerge for new games, thus making these issues seem more important than they are)



Bottom line: If the game ends up not suiting what you like: don't buy it. Your moaning isn't going to do anything.