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[Amethyst Willow]

My roomie is playing Awakenings right now. She just found Wynne outside the chantry, and Wynne said something to her like "Oh, it's you. You've a funny way of turning up where you're not wanted." When I played with a couple of my characters, Wynne was happy to see me. We're just wondering why Wynne hates her character - she's playing with a female mage, and she sided with the mages in the Circle Tower quest in Origins. And Wynne liked her character in Origins.

Modifié par Amethyst Willow, 13 juillet 2010 - 04:36 .

[Koffeegirl]

maybe its a glitch?

[Liliandra Nadiar]

Defiled the Ashes maybe?

[Amethyst Willow]

No, she didn't defile the Ashes... in fact I don't think she did anything evil in Origins at all. Wynne had a high approval rating with her too.



The only thing I could think of was siding with the Templars in Origins, but then Wynne leaves your party if you do that.

[Ronashavar]

Haha, that line is HILARIOUS! "Oh, it's you...You've a funny way of turning up where you're not wanted. Like a bad rash!" Wynne will indeed say this to you in Awakening if you had defiled the ashes in the previous game, but not in her presence of course.(followed by her confronting you in camp and then leaving the party for good)I actually defiled the ashes dead last, right before heading to Redcliff post Landsmeet as to avoid her leaving me, but much to my dismay she was still able to confront me in my epilogue save...

[Amethyst Willow]

dragonlips69 wrote...

Haha, that line is HILARIOUS! "Oh, it's you...You've a funny way of turning up where you're not wanted. Like a bad rash!" Wynne will indeed say this to you in Awakening if you had defiled the ashes in the previous game, but not in her presence of course.(followed by her confronting you in camp and then leaving the party for good)I actually defiled the ashes dead last, right before heading to Redcliff post Landsmeet as to avoid her leaving me, but much to my dismay she was still able to confront me in my epilogue save...

But like I said in my last post, she didn't defile the ashes. If that's supposed to be the only way she'll say that to you, it has to be a glitch then.

[Yrkoon]

Amethyst Willow wrote...

 We're just wondering why Wynne hates her character - she's playing with a female mage, and she sided with the mages in the Circle Tower quest in Origins.

Amethyst Willow wrote...

No, she didn't defile the Ashes... in fact I don't think she did anything evil in Origins at all. Wynne had a high approval rating with her too.

The only thing I could think of was siding with the Templars in Origins, but then Wynne leaves your party if you do that.

Well?  Which is it?   Did she side with the mages or did she side with the Templars?


Incidently, Wynne won't neccessarily leave your party if you side with the Templars.  You can simply SAY you're gonna side with the mages, then during the Uldred fight, if you fail to use the Litany of Adrala, all the mages will die, and Voila, you just got the Annulment invoker trophy  (ie. you just sided with the Templars.)  Wynne won't leave.  But you will take an approval hit with her for it.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 13 juillet 2010 - 10:33 .

[Forst1999]

It even counts as siding with the templars if you don't let the mages die but say there might still be bloodmages and the templars watch them closely.

If this wasn't the case, we have another glitch.

[Last Darkness]

*Spoiler* Wynn will show up even if you killed her since Wynn is already dead and a Abomination by the time you meet her in origens.

[Bahlgan]

Last Darkness wrote...

*Spoiler* Wynn will show up even if you killed her since Wynn is already dead and a Abomination by the time you meet her in origens.

Technically speaking she is an abomination, but would you really consider her one by the means of horrid, grotesque, and mentally possessed to do evil bidding of the "parasite"? I think not. Perhaps maybe they have a different term for a mortal who is assisted (by any means) by a benevolent spirit.

Either way, I don't see how that is possible. She didn't have much time left in her either way, due to the waning powers of the spirit. Bioware, is that supposed to be the case where she lives even though you slay in her Origins, or is that a glitch?

[soteria]

Incidently, Wynne won't neccessarily leave your party if you side with the Templars. You can simply SAY you're gonna side with the mages, then during the Uldred fight, if you fail to use the Litany of Adrala, all the mages will die, and Voila, you just got the Annulment invoker trophy (ie. you just sided with the Templars.) Wynne won't leave. But you will take an approval hit with her for it.

As Forst said, you don't have to let all the mages die. As long as you don't ever tell Wynne you're going to kill all the mages, she won't attack you. Kill Uldred, save Irving, and then tell Gregoir that there might be blood mages among them. Irving will agree, Gregoir will agree, and Wynne will offer to join your party.

[Elhanan]

Give the lady a break, as she is supposed to be dead soon. Maybe she just missed her morning coffee....

[Last Darkness]

Bahlgan wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

*Spoiler* Wynn will show up even if you killed her since Wynn is already dead and a Abomination by the time you meet her in origens.

Technically speaking she is an abomination, but would you really consider her one by the means of horrid, grotesque, and mentally possessed to do evil bidding of the "parasite"? I think not. Perhaps maybe they have a different term for a mortal who is assisted (by any means) by a benevolent spirit.

Either way, I don't see how that is possible. She didn't have much time left in her either way, due to the waning powers of the spirit. Bioware, is that supposed to be the case where she lives even though you slay in her Origins, or is that a glitch?

Mage Possessed by a spirit of the fade, Abomination.  Though the most common ones are the evil spirits called demons and teh rusult is rather .... unpleasant. Look at Flemeth shes a Abomination yet shes not all nasty looking either.

[Time4Tiddy]

Last Darkness wrote...

Bahlgan wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

*Spoiler* Wynn will show up even if you killed her since Wynn is already dead and a Abomination by the time you meet her in origens.

Technically speaking she is an abomination, but would you really consider her one by the means of horrid, grotesque, and mentally possessed to do evil bidding of the "parasite"? I think not. Perhaps maybe they have a different term for a mortal who is assisted (by any means) by a benevolent spirit.

Either way, I don't see how that is possible. She didn't have much time left in her either way, due to the waning powers of the spirit. Bioware, is that supposed to be the case where she lives even though you slay in her Origins, or is that a glitch?

Mage Possessed by a spirit of the fade, Abomination.  Though the most common ones are the evil spirits called demons and teh rusult is rather .... unpleasant. Look at Flemeth shes a Abomination yet shes not all nasty looking either.

You actually have a conversation with Morrigan where you say something to the effect of "I thought abominations were always horrible, grotesque monsters." to which Morrigan will say something to the effect of "How often is always?  If it doesn't happen every time, then how do we know how often it actually does happen."  I'm paraphrasing, and of course Morrigan is referring to Flemeth, but it's a good point.  Since it's possible a mage with enough willpower (Flemeth) or a mage possessed by a benevolent Fade spirit (Wynne) can retain control of their mind/body, who knows how many other "abominations" might be out there.  If they don't go insane no one would know.

[Elhanan]

Uldred was an abomination, and looked normal. Sure he is a loon, but still looked like any other bald mage.

[Bahlgan]

Last Darkness wrote...

Mage Possessed by a spirit of the fade, Abomination.  Though the most common ones are the evil spirits called demons and teh rusult is rather .... unpleasant. Look at Flemeth shes a Abomination yet shes not all nasty looking either.

Flemeth was probably recognized as an entity that used her beauty as a weapon rather than a vain commodity, like most mortals do. As one who can utilize her beauty as a lure, I don't see how the Abomination would choose to throw that away. We all know he must be a demon, not a benevolent spirit, the story even says so. The demon probably just chose to preserve her beauty and concentrate his possession on the inside instead, if that makes any sense.

Uldred was an abomination, and looked normal. Sure he is a loon, but still looked like any other bald mage.

Let's take what I said about Flemeth from above:

THAT is interesting, Uldred is by no means one who uses his appearances to deceive. He might have contained magic powerful enough to hold back the demon from changing his appearances, despite it being a Pride Demon. Either that or the Pride Demon just didn't feel like changing the way he looked, go figure right?

Modifié par Bahlgan, 15 juillet 2010 - 07:27 .

[Gnoster]

Was her mage a blood mage, and used blood magic during the tower run? Maybe that is why (Wynne can find out).

[maxernst]

I've thought of the Flemeth/Wynne comparison before and it might be an apt one. I'm not convinced that Flemeth really is an abomination in the pure sense (ie. posessed by a demon). Unless there's an entirely different kind of demon not described in the codex, she's way too complex to be driven wholly be a primal instinct. I think Flemeth either has a powerful fade spirit inhabiting her without completely removing her human nature, or whatever posesses her is not really a demon.