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[Steel Majere343]

One thing that i love about this game is all the different options for the story to play out AND the characters.
Just wondering, who else wishes there was more than one healer though?

wynne is cool and all, but i kind of wish we had a choice like between her and someone else. mainly because most of my love intrests in the game involve my character falling in love with morrigan. And while it is cool to have some conflict and not being able to please everyone I wish there was a darker spirit healer.

Kind of like the one in awakening.
For some reason there is only one healer and only one tank (assuming the player is not doing this role). which are probly the most important of all.
You would think we would have more choice in who they are... Allistair i can understand, he is a main character and therefor should be respected as such.

But im kind of tired of using wynne all the time to do my healing...yet she's the only one. I think i understand why there is only one, because two would probly make the game incredably easy. (even though you can get two easily if your main character is a mage). But im just saying maybe in a DLC or something we could get a more dark spirit healer.

Im tired of old gramma wrinkles.

They did give us another tank actually if you consider shale, so. maybe they are working on another type of healer? that'd be sweet.

Modifié par Steel Majere343, 13 juillet 2010 - 05:56 .

[Zjarcal]

Why not just turn Morrigan into a healer? Just give her the basic heal spell and the spirit healer specialization (I only give her the group heal spell) and you'll be more than fine.



Companions do not have to be stuck in a role, that's why you're allowed to customize them however you want when they level up.

[Steel Majere343]

morrigan gets the skills to slowly in my experience. Not to mention she's not relyable. Especially since i want to take down her "mother" and to do so, i can't have her with me, which pretty much spells out that she wasn't meant to be your partys healer. its pretty clear who is...either you or said other character.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Flemeth is really only one fight, and you don't need two healers to beat her.



Really, get Morrigan to mix lots and lots of healing poultices if you're having trouble with health, and set the Tactics of your party to use them automatically when they're in trouble.



I ended up giving Morrigan the Heal spell (just the Heal spell) to supplement Wynne, and I was fine.

[CalJones]

Well, also the fact that Morrigan may not be at the final battle, depending on your choices. Being stuck without a healer for that is a pain.

[Zjarcal]

Ok, I really can't believe people are so dependent on a healer for their playthroughs, not to mention that you seem to be stuck in believing that Morrigan can't be an effective healer (she can).



You wan't to take down Flemeth without a healer? Take an entirely ranged party, bathe them all in greater warm balms and watch Flemeth go down without ever moving from her spot. Or just craft a lot of poultices and be done with it.



Seriously, with the proper tactics and party management a dedicated healer is NOT necessary for ANY section of the game. That's not to say it's not nice to have one in your party (I always have Morrigan as a healer with me), but it's not necessary nor do you have to be stuck with Wynne.

[CalJones]

I had one playthrough where Wynne was killed, Morrigan took off and the Circle was anulled, so I had no mages for the final battle. And that's pretty much how it went - an archer PC and Shale doing big damage from a distance.

Still, it's a lot easier with mages!

[Yrkoon]

Steel Majere343 wrote...

morrigan gets the skills to slowly in my experience.

What?  You can have her learn  the Heal spell on her next level up  (it's tier 1), which btw, occurs way before you even get Wynne.

Not to mention she's not relyable. Especially since i want to take down her "mother" and to do so, i can't have her with me, which pretty much spells out that she wasn't meant to be your partys healer. its pretty clear who is...either you or said other character.

She's completely reliable, like all your other party members.   In a 60+ hour game filled with countless battles, are you actually  condemning Morrigan as unreliable simply because she can't be present for *one* fight?   Really?  

Don't you think that's a bit.... rash? 

And you shouldn't be taking on  Flemeth until you're powerful enough to survive without a crutch anyway.  It's an optional battle and the load screens warn you that some optional battles are difficult.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 13 juillet 2010 - 07:55 .

[ejoslin]

Morrigan is usually my healer. Wynne tends to lose her head in arguments over a waste bin of all things.

[Chuvvy]

I hate Wynne so much. I just use Morrigan. Get heal and regeneration then get group heal. That's all you really need.

[Steel Majere343]

First let me say for all those yelling "YOU DONT NEEDA HEALER!" i do.

I dont like chugging hundreds of pultices and i can't complete the game without one.



the problem with making morrigan is that she doesn't actually become a healer with all the spells learned until at the very least, level 18. Since she can't take a second specialization till level 14 and it takes at least 4 levels to learn all of em.



The player character and wynne are both done with learning all healing spells by level 12. When morrigan is JUST learning heal, the player character and wynne already know the entire line of creation plus group heal from taking spirit healer as the first specialization.



On top of that i'm trying to create the story i'll take with me to dragon age 2, and in that story i want to kill flemeth now. I don't like the cheapy tactics of holding all of your party members back to fire arrows at her because she cant move off of her mound.



I want a real battle with a healer, a tank, and some damagers. Not some crap with ranged weapons, PLUS i don't want my strategy to EVER involve pultices. Because i hate sitting there chugging those things to death and it just doesnt feel like a fight to do that. It feels like im being cheap with so many pultices.



I also have minor OCD when it comes to playing games how i think they were designed to be played. I like to play a game how i think the designers meant it to be played. And to be honest, i am kind of leaning towards the fact that they probly figured wynne would be your healer. I don't think they intended morrigan to do so.



For example i believe they meant for you to fight flemeth as an option. They took morrigan out of the battle because they figured she was just a damager and you would have either your player character or wynne to heal.



A healer isn't a crutch for me its a necessity. So you who are saying i dont need one, stop lol, i do. Trust me, iv wasted over 50 hours trying to play the game without one only to get stuck. This game has lots of choices but it is also one of the easiest games iv ever played to really screw yourself in to the point where you just can't advance due to lack of party strength.



Your not a true healer if it takes you all the way to level 18 to get the spirit healer class down. You should have that by level 12.



Im just saying i wish there was another healer who has spirit healer as their FIRST class that we could choose.



I can't make it far enough into the game with just heal and regeneration to make morrigan a spirit healer anyways.



All im saying is i wish there was a true alternative to wynne. Even the review sites and every tip site suggests that wynne is really the only other choice unless your player character is taking the role.

[Zjarcal]

Ok.... chill out!



First of all, I'm with you on not liking to use poultices. I usually never touch them once I reach level 11-12 because Morrigan handles all the healing just fine. But I do share a distaste for using them. Not that I consider them cheap, I just don't like the idea of chugging a potion in the middle of battle, so I understand where you're coming from.



Also, the suggestion about a ranged party against Flemeth is not something I do (I always run like a madwoman with daggers flying nilly-willy towards her), but it's a viable alternative for those without a dedicated healer.



However I disagree that the developer's intention was for Wynne to be the only available healer. There's a reason they give you freedom when leveling up other characters. And like most of us said, the heal and group heal spells are all we need (I rarely use group heal by the way), so the idea that we have to wait until level 18 to have an effective healer is ridiculous. Morrigan can simultaneously be an effective healer and damager.



Now if you really can't make it without all the spirit healer spells and all the regeneration spells, well tough break for you. Guess you're stuck with Wynne...

[Steel Majere343]

But to me it just feels wierd. I couldnt do that, make leliana my tank. Because i know she was NOT meant for that role.



You can tell all the characters and what they are meant to do easily. Again the game gives you the option to respec them if you want but its not a good idea. Morrigan is not a healer, shes just not. And for the majority of the game if you are using her as one you will be gimped. Because the game was designed in a way that you would have a spirit healer early on (hence is why you get a healer at the mage tower and not say..orzhamar or somewhere late game).



It was not designed for you to try to make it by with just heal and regeneration for the majority of the game, although maybe it is possible for some of you. Its clear she was not meant to take on that role.



Again, take alistair for example. It is clear that he is meant to be the default tank. Some people choose to respec sten or ohgren to be that role. Although possible you will be gimped.



So all im asking is that just like they made shale, maybe make an unconventenal healer. Idk. If Anders was available in origins that would be completely awsome because, him being an apostate, would be a good alternative to wynn.



But right now, the choice is really either wynne or the player character. Not even starting the spirit healer line until level 14 is too late.

[Sarah1281]

I can get heal at level 8. Are you talking about revive? If you set her tactics to heal at 75% or even 50% you won't need it.

Edit: And it's a bit strange to say 'Gee, I wish I had another healer besides Wynne, no Morrigan, go away, I don't want to see that healing spell you just did because I'm busy longing for a healer.'

Modifié par Sarah1281, 13 juillet 2010 - 10:52 .

[Zjarcal]

If you really can't see past your "Morrigan is not supposed to be a healer" then I don't know what else to say. I certainly didn't feel gimped at all when playing with her as a healer, not in the least. I do agree that it would be nice for someone like Anders to be available in Origins. It would be a nice third option for those who don't like Wynne or Morrigan.



Finally, I find it funny that in the Darkspawn Chronicles, Morrigan has the heal spell. I guess even the developers think she can be a healer?

[Steel Majere343]

Zjarcal wrote...

Ok.... chill out!

First of all, I'm with you on not liking to use poultices. I usually never touch them once I reach level 11-12 because Morrigan handles all the healing just fine. But I do share a distaste for using them. Not that I consider them cheap, I just don't like the idea of chugging a potion in the middle of battle, so I understand where you're coming from.

Also, the suggestion about a ranged party against Flemeth is not something I do (I always run like a madwoman with daggers flying nilly-willy towards her), but it's a viable alternative for those without a dedicated healer.

However I disagree that the developer's intention was for Wynne to be the only available healer. There's a reason they give you freedom when leveling up other characters. And like most of us said, the heal and group heal spells are all we need (I rarely use group heal by the way), so the idea that we have to wait until level 18 to have an effective healer is ridiculous. Morrigan can simultaneously be an effective healer and damager.

Now if you really can't make it without all the spirit healer spells and all the regeneration spells, well tough break for you. Guess you're stuck with Wynne...

sorry if i sounded like i was getting riled up or anything lol im really not. I just type with lots of spaces and cap some words for emphasis. Not because im angry or anything.

Thats a good point. What im really scared of though is wasting my time. From what people are saying its doable to have morrigan be the healer, which if i had it my way, i would.

group heal she cant even learn until level 14 at the earliest since its a spirit healer spell.

And i think it WAS in fact their intention to make wynn the only available healer, besides the player character.

Morrigan was meant to be the darker mage/damager, wynn the lighter mage/healer.

Again there is also a reason you get wynne early on, granted morrigan is even before wynn but if morrigan were meant to act as a partys healer she would be a spirit healer first or at least come with the heal spell instead of a whole bunch of damage/CC.

You know what wynne starts with?. heal spells. Lots of heal spells. Its kind of like saying morrigan wasn't meant to be the only damager mage when, in fact, she clearly is. You can respec wynne to take morrigans role but it will take her about the same amount of time.

[Steel Majere343]

Zjarcal wrote...

If you really can't see past your "Morrigan is not supposed to be a healer" then I don't know what else to say. I certainly didn't feel gimped at all when playing with her as a healer, not in the least. I do agree that it would be nice for someone like Anders to be available in Origins. It would be a nice third option for those who don't like Wynne or Morrigan.

Finally, I find it funny that in the Darkspawn Chronicles, Morrigan has the heal spell. I guess even the developers think she can be a healer?

hm havn't played chronicles, so thats new and an intresting point.

But then again in lelianas song they also give leliana skills in both dual wield and archery, does that mean thats how she was meant to be played in origins? not at all, in origins it is clear she has a huge emphasis on the bow.

Maybe i will try it with her because even for the sake of my story i would much rather kill wynne, and destroy the ashes.

The issue here now is the flemeth battle. I wish you could just take morrigan with you for it. Otherwise you need to chug potions or do some cheap ranged strategy.

I wish there was one more mage i guess who i could recruit,make a healer, just so i can kill flemeth legitly lol.

I guess i can't really be mad that she doesn't go along with the battle, just like its impossable to have wynn with you while you defile the ashes or kill the circle. But i guess i should be happy that its even possible to kill flemeth ranged. MAYBE ill do that...i suppose its not a cheap strategy.

Modifié par Steel Majere343, 13 juillet 2010 - 11:39 .

[Sarah1281]

But then again in lelianas song they also give leliana skills in both dual wield and archery, does that mean thats how she was meant to be played in origins? not at all, in origins it is clear she has a huge emphasis on the bow.

Does it? Because of the SA trailer? She shows up with a dagger.

[Steel Majere343]

Lol true again, but in the game itself she has no skills leaning toward melee, although it is probly in ones best intrest to give her melee weapons but the weapon trees make it clear your supposed to only focus on one.



That is why there are such abilities like melee archer and defensive fire. If you were suppose to just switch to a melee weapon whenever something gets close those abilities would be pointless to include.

[Zjarcal]

Steel Majere343 wrote...

But then again in lelianas song they also give leliana skills in both dual wield and archery, does that mean thats how she was meant to be played in origins? not at all, in origins it is clear she has a huge emphasis on the bow.

Says who? You don't think a former bard would be skilled with daggers? Hell, when she teaches you the bard specialization she says "I guess there will be daggers flying nilly-willy".

The reason she doesn't have those talents in Origins is because the developers wanted to give you the freedom to focus strictly on her archery skills (which is what I do by the way on most playthroughs, aside from giving her the "dual weapon training" talent) or easily deviate into the DW tree.

EDIT: I just realized that deviating into the DW tree is exactly what I plan to do with her with my dalish "pure archer". See, isn't the freedom to mold your companions however you want just beautiful?

Modifié par Zjarcal, 13 juillet 2010 - 11:47 .

[Yrkoon]

Zjarcal wrote...

Steel Majere343 wrote...

But then again in lelianas song they also give leliana skills in both dual wield and archery, does that mean thats how she was meant to be played in origins? not at all, in origins it is clear she has a huge emphasis on the bow.

Says who? You don't think a former bard would be skilled with daggers? Hell, when she teaches you the bard specialization she says "I guess there will be daggers flying nilly-willy".

The reason she doesn't have those talents in Origins is because the developers wanted to give you the freedom to focus strictly on her archery skills (which is what I do by the way on most playthroughs, aside from giving her the "dual weapon training" talent) or easily deviate into the DW tree.

EDIT: I just realized that deviating into the DW tree is exactly what I plan to do with her with my dalish "pure archer". See, isn't the freedom to mold your companions however you want just beautiful?

Not to mention the fact that she's only  5th level when you get her.  Plenty of time to turn her into an essentially *perfect* dual-wielding assassin by mid game.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

Saying you get Wynne earlier is also not totally true. You get her at the Circle. Which is totally possible that some people leave for last and very possible to kill her in two different places. Morrigan is the only one you get at a reliable time. And with how the devs set all party members talent selections, I have my doubts they were thinking at all. Seriously, if Alistair's the tank, why, when you first get him, does he not have the primary tank sustainables? Shield Defense and Shield Wall? Not even started. So that's three levels at least before he becomes a dependable tank.



I fully admit, the bulk of my games are run with Alistair/Wynne/Leliana as near perminate party members, And Wynne has been an absolutly invaluable asset when things go pear-shapped in a hurry. But that's more a case of tactic settings, spell and stat selections then her being Wynne. Books of Arcane Knowledge can help push either of them (or a mage PC) further along either build line before a level as long as they met the magic/level requirments for the spell.



And yes, there are times when Wynne's preachiness gets to me (as the player) enough that I get tempted to give her some knitting needles and leave her at camp.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

Zjarcal wrote...

Steel Majere343 wrote...

But then again in lelianas song they also give leliana skills in both dual wield and archery, does that mean thats how she was meant to be played in origins? not at all, in origins it is clear she has a huge emphasis on the bow.

Says who? You don't think a former bard would be skilled with daggers? Hell, when she teaches you the bard specialization she says "I guess there will be daggers flying nilly-willy".

The reason she doesn't have those talents in Origins is because the developers wanted to give you the freedom to focus strictly on her archery skills (which is what I do by the way on most playthroughs, aside from giving her the "dual weapon training" talent) or easily deviate into the DW tree.

EDIT: I just realized that deviating into the DW tree is exactly what I plan to do with her with my dalish "pure archer". See, isn't the freedom to mold your companions however you want just beautiful?

Also, when you meat her in the fight at Dane's, she doesn't whip out a bow, she draws a sword and starts hacking. Even though she has not one skill in it.