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[Yrkoon]

Steel Majere343 wrote...

But right now, the choice is really either wynne or the player character. Not even starting the spirit healer line until level 14 is too late.

My 7th level  *warrior*  has a self healing talent, one that he can activate every 30 seconds. doesn't yours?

Steel Majere343 wrote...
The player character and wynne are both done with learning all healing spells by level 12. When morrigan is JUST learning heal, the player character and wynne already know the entire line of creation plus group heal from taking spirit healer as the first specialization..

You know, the best way to survive a fight is by destroying your opponent before they get a chance to bring your health down.  I don't know.  I just have this gut feeling that your game play does not include the... subtle  aspects of combat, like Crowd Control, Focus Fire, AOE tactics....

Modifié par Yrkoon, 14 juillet 2010 - 12:31 .

[Steel Majere343]

actually it does. I focus fire all the time, its not the tactics that are the issue. Im going to try making morigan my healer. And im going to hope that it works out. I dont want to waste another 50+ hours on another character just to get stuck and figure out that the game really doesnt want you to make a certain choice lol, even though its there.



But i suppose the choice is also there to leave without a party, or to tell everyone in your party to leave and to be stuck with you and alistair.



I'm going to listen to you guys and try using morigan for all my heals. But im not listening to that you don't need a spirit healer stuff lol. I wont even try that, if shes gonna be the only mage in my party than her second specialization has been decided.



At least alistair has a suitable replacement now though, shale. And there is nothing you can do in the game to be without a tank. Nothing. The moment alistair leaves you get lohgain which is an effective tank himself. So he is reliable.



And that is true that you don't have to go to the tower early. So that further pushes the idea that maybe morigan was meant to be a healer to some degree since wynne is not actually shoved in your face. It is quite possible to not get wynne until the 20s, at which point morigan will have maxed out spirit healer and probly another line as well.



So morigan is probly meant to be a healer.



So i dont know. but im gonna try morigan so im placing my trust in you guys.

[Yrkoon]

^yep.  Give it a shot.  And don't be surprized if you discover that she's actually quite  good at the role.

Still, I typically use Morrigan as my Nuker.   When Storm of the Century destroys the mobs before they can even get close to you, what do you need healing for?

[Liliandra Nadiar]

Yrkoon wrote...

^yep.  Give it a shot.  And don't be surprized if you discover that she's actually quite  good at the role.

Still, I typically use Morrigan as my Nuker.   When Storm of the Century destroys the mobs before they can even get close to you, what do you need healing for?

Beside's recovering your own health after finding Storm of the Century has a much wider radius the Blzzard or Tempest?

[Steel Majere343]

call me old fashioned but i just dont like the idea of not having a healer. Especially in this game. In this game i like to feel like im ready for anything, and i do not get that feeling when i am waste deep into the game with no healer around.



I can still use morrigan for some damage but she's defenately learning to be a spirit healer. And i guess i'll have to look up how to kill flemeth with ranged and no potions. Someone posted a video of doing it on nightmare with just flame resist equipment so i'll have to look up how to do that. I am defenately not NOT defeating her though. I want my character to end the game having an honest relationship with morrigan and destroying flemeth. I also want the ashes gone from dragon age 2.



So i guess the only way to accomplish this backdrop is to kill flemeth from a ranged position.



Do you guys consider that tactic cheap? killing flemeth with bows and arrows or is that considered exploiting her stationary fighting?

[thegreateski]

She's a !$#%ing Dragon. Anything is fair.

[Steel Majere343]

LOL

[Yrkoon]

Liliandra Nadiar wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

^yep.  Give it a shot.  And don't be surprized if you discover that she's actually quite  good at the role.

Still, I typically use Morrigan as my Nuker.   When Storm of the Century destroys the mobs before they can even get close to you, what do you need healing for?

Beside's recovering your own health after finding Storm of the Century has a much wider radius the Blzzard or Tempest?

Good point!

[Steel Majere343]

I dont want to start a whole new thread for this since one of you can probly answer this. Im going to listen to you and say that morigan is an option for healer and run with it.



Flemeth, how to with ranged? She may be stationary but i know her fire spit is still deadly as all hell. So what i need is a strategy that i could do with close to zero pultices (since that's what i'll probly have). Flame resist gear? the works.



Just point me in the direction of how to kill the B*** without a healer.



If i HAVE to i'll skip her because i know sacrifices have to be made depending on who your healer is. If its wynne there are certain things your storyline can't do and if its morigan there are certain things your storyline cant do (like not perform the ritual with somebody).



With that i am prepared to give up on flemeth, but i really REALLY don't want to have to do that.

[Zjarcal]

Steel Majere343 wrote...

Do you guys consider that tactic cheap? killing flemeth with bows and arrows or is that considered exploiting her stationary fighting?

If in a real life situation you could choose from getting up close to a monster that can chew you up or attacking from a safe spot, which one would you choose?

It's not a cheap tactic, it's logical thinking. I know it's more fun to attack her with swords an all (something no sane person would do in a real life situation), but when survival is what matters, ANYTHING goes.

Like I said earlier, the ranged tactic is one I DON'T use (crazy dual wielding FTW)  but it's a very viable tactic nonetheless.

[Steel Majere343]

A part of me does wonder if bioware made her stationary on purpose... because they could have made up some storyline bs to make her fight in an open area. Like she wasnt at her hut so you look in the forest and find her, where you do battle in a grove or something.



Maybe they made her a little weak on purpose?

Besides doesn't she not drop dragon scales anyways?



so maybe i wont feel so bad killing her that way because it might actually be intended. Seeing as how she doesnt move but the other high dragon does, which that one is obviously supposed to need a full party to kill since it is wholly optional. Flemeth isn't as optional if you need her dead for storyline preference. Whether the high dragon in the mountain dies effects nothing except for getting some great armor and the glory of doing it.



So it could be that making flemeth stationary was supposed to balance her some.

[Zjarcal]

Steel Majere343 wrote...

I dont want to start a whole new thread for this since one of you can probly answer this. Im going to listen to you and say that morigan is an option for healer and run with it.

Flemeth, how to with ranged? She may be stationary but i know her fire spit is still deadly as all hell. So what i need is a strategy that i could do with close to zero pultices (since that's what i'll probly have). Flame resist gear? the works.

Just point me in the direction of how to kill the B*** without a healer.

If i HAVE to i'll skip her because i know sacrifices have to be made depending on who your healer is. If its wynne there are certain things your storyline can't do and if its morigan there are certain things your storyline cant do (like not perform the ritual with somebody).

With that i am prepared to give up on flemeth, but i really REALLY don't want to have to do that.

Greater warmth balms give 60% fire resistance. If you did the Urn of Sacred Ashes questline before killing Flemeth you could have access to both the Superior Drakeskin armor and the Superior Dragonbone armor (or whatever version you go for), both giving you a very nice 75% fire resistance.

As long as your fire resistance is high, you'll hardly need any poultices at all. You can also choose to spread out your party so that Flemeth doesn't target it all at once. Also, ice arrows work wonders. You could also lay some traps where she stands before the fight but that's too close to an exploit (unless you use stealth to plant them but even then, I don't like to do that).

Finally, if you find the Flemeth battle too difficult you can simply save it for until you're properly leveled up. Flemeth has a level cap of 15 (unless you fight her after the Landsmeet in which case she resets and can go up to level 22). The reason she's capped at 15 is because her area, Flemeth's hut, is unlocked very early in the game. The area itself has a max a level of 20 (meaning an Elite-Boss can go up to level 22), but that would only occur if it was unlocked once your character was level 20.

One last question, you said you will have close to no poultices. Is that because of your reluctance to use them or because you're siding with the Werewolves.... 

[Yrkoon]

Steel Majere343 wrote...


Do you guys consider that tactic cheap? killing flemeth with bows and arrows or is that considered exploiting her stationary fighting?

That's not the easiest question in the world to answer.  If her stationary fighting was based on engine limitations then yes, it would be considered "cheap".   But we know that this isn't the case.  The High Dragon isn't stationary.   Neither is the arch demon.    both will  fly around and land on top of you  when they want to.

 So why doesn't flemeth?    Well, the way I see it, Flemeth is stationary for some other reason.  Maybe because she's not a real dragon?  Maybe because your party corners her?   After all,  There's a hut on one side of her,  and a swamp on the other.  It's not cheap  when a group of warriors use the terrain to their advantage.  Its good war   strategy.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 14 juillet 2010 - 01:53 .

[Zjarcal]

Steel Majere343 wrote...



Flemeth isn't as optional if you need her dead for storyline preference. Whether the high dragon in the mountain dies effects nothing except for getting some great armor and the glory of doing it.

What do you mean by "Flemeth isn't as optional"? Is that because Morrigan will leave the party if you don't kill her (you could lie to her by the way)? Is it about the DR? Morrigan will offer the DR even if she has left the party at any point.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

Steel Majere343 wrote...

call me old fashioned but i just dont like the idea of not having a healer. Especially in this game. In this game i like to feel like im ready for anything, and i do not get that feeling when i am waste deep into the game with no healer around.

I can still use morrigan for some damage but she's defenately learning to be a spirit healer. And i guess i'll have to look up how to kill flemeth with ranged and no potions. Someone posted a video of doing it on nightmare with just flame resist equipment so i'll have to look up how to do that. I am defenately not NOT defeating her though. I want my character to end the game having an honest relationship with morrigan and destroying flemeth. I also want the ashes gone from dragon age 2.

So i guess the only way to accomplish this backdrop is to kill flemeth from a ranged position.

Do you guys consider that tactic cheap? killing flemeth with bows and arrows or is that considered exploiting her stationary fighting?

You assume that DA2 will even have the worldstate from DA:O in it, let alone the characters. We can hope though.

As for ranged kill on Flemeth, it's exactly as it sounds. Set combat tactics for everyone to ranged, slather on the warmth slaves (or not, I didn't the last time just had Wynne group heal then go back to arcane bolting) and plug away. Maxing crit chances optional. (One or more bards singing Song of Curage, Shale's Rock Aura and any +% critical or +% ranged critical gear you can find.

[Yrkoon]

Yeah, it's already been confirmed that DA2 will take place way up north... in the Free Marches.

[Steel Majere343]

lol im siding with the werewolves. Im preping the story for dragon age 2. SO i want it to be as bleak as possible.



Basically, the story will start and the dalish will be dead, the urn is gone, the circle is gone, flemeth will (hopefully) be dead and i will be searching for morigan.



I want to see how the new game reacts to all of these things just being..gone. That would be incredably intresting to me as i want to know first of all what their reestablishment of the circle looks like. What the werewolf situation will be by that time (the conclusion said they were hunted a lot so i want to know if maybe they are like the dalish now and on the run kind of? or if they got their numbers back and are rebeling).



I'v beatn the game before so thats why i was frusterated. I'm not really doing this just for gameplay purpose (although the game is fun) im trying to prep a save game for upload to dragon age 2.



But ya i'll be siding with the wolves so pultices wont be available, although i already know with a spirit healer you barely ever even need them. You can just revive people plus regeneration, heal, and group heal, switching between these could keep a child alive.



Although i'd rather make morigan a blood mage for lore purposes but i can settle with that. Some people can complete the game with just heal and regeneration i know but i know my limits. And i am not a min/maxer by any means. So my party wont be as optamized as that.

[Steel Majere343]

it wont always be up north. Theres a huge exclusive about DA2 in game informer mag. and it says that a LOT of choices will effect DA2. They even mention that you will see some of these choices from a diffrent angle. Hawke is basically that guy you didnt notice in the backround who saw a lot of things you did.

the mag actually says we "may" get to even SEE our old grey warden, a copy of him will be made to DA2, armor and all, and we may fight with him, or witness said events.

for example i believe your supposed to be in lothering as a child when the warden passes through. Your actual warden is supposedly recreated into the game and you see him and whoever didn't die in lothering. If he was a human noble you will see him, his dog, alistar, morrigan, and if you had sten or leliana you will see them too.

I don't know if dog will be included for the other races though because he was an optional character at that point. Sten and leliana can be tracked because the game reads your old data and if you have sten and leliana with you then you could only get them from lothering. But you can get dog through a DLC later so you may have not had him if you are say, an elf, when you were passing through lothering.

Modifié par Steel Majere343, 14 juillet 2010 - 01:58 .

[Zjarcal]

Yrkoon wrote...

Steel Majere343 wrote...


Do you guys consider that tactic cheap? killing flemeth with bows and arrows or is that considered exploiting her stationary fighting?

That's not the easiest question in the world to answer.  If her stationary fighting was based on engine limitations then yes, it would be considered "cheap".   But we know that this isn't the case.  The High Dragon isn't stationary.   Neither is the arch demon.    both will  fly around and land on top of you  when they want to.

 So why doesn't flemeth?    Well, the way I see it, Flemeth is stationary for some other reason.  Maybe because she's not a real dragon?  Maybe because your party corners her?   After all,  There's a hut on one side of her,  and a swamp on the other.  It's not cheap  when a group of warriors use the terrain to their advantage.  Its called good war-time  strategy.

A little off topic, but I just wanted to mention it.

I think the only battle in the game where the stationary behavior of enemies can be considered illogical and thus cheap to exploit is the Ser Cauthrien battle. Logic says that if surrounded by a dozen archers, a mage, four warriors, and a madwoman wielding a greatsword, you should run like hell. But when you notice that only Cauthrien and her close guards follow while all the archers and the mage stay glued to their positions, it breaks immersion and it feels cheap to use such a strategy.

Besides, it's fun to that battle in the room for the challenge alone. That's the ONLY battle in the game that never fails to challenge me.

[Sarah1281]

Steel Majere343 wrote...

it wont always be up north. Theres a huge exclusive about DA2 in game informer mag. and it says that a LOT of choices will effect DA2. They even mention that you will see some of these choices from a diffrent angle. Hawke is basically that guy you didnt notice in the backround who saw a lot of things you did.

the mag actually says we "may" get to even SEE our old grey warden, a copy of him will be made to DA2, armor and all, and we may fight with him, or witness said events.

Oh, we'd better not. There is no way Hawke is beating my Warden and since they can't talk...God, they wouldn't voice her, would they? 

[Zjarcal]

Steel Majere343 wrote...

Although i'd rather make morigan a blood mage for lore purposes but i can settle with that. Some people can complete the game with just heal and regeneration i know but i know my limits. And i am not a min/maxer by any means. So my party wont be as optamized as that.

This I understand. It's more "in character" to make her a blood mage than a spirit healer, but hey, compromises must be made sometimes.

Also, I realize that at times I speak as if the game were too easy because that's how it feels for me (even on Nightmare), but I understand that's not true for anyone, so I apologize if at times I fail to understand your reluctance to use a "non optimal" healer.

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Steel Majere343 wrote...

it wont always be up north. Theres a huge exclusive about DA2 in game informer mag. and it says that a LOT of choices will effect DA2. They even mention that you will see some of these choices from a diffrent angle. Hawke is basically that guy you didnt notice in the backround who saw a lot of things you did.

the mag actually says we "may" get to even SEE our old grey warden, a copy of him will be made to DA2, armor and all, and we may fight with him, or witness said events.

Oh, we'd better not. There is no way Hawke is beating my Warden and since they can't talk...God, they wouldn't voice her, would they? 

Totally agree.

My Warden falls to no one! And I suppose they could voice our wardens since they already had a voice selected for them during the character creation. That however would be awkward.... 

[Steel Majere343]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Steel Majere343 wrote...

it wont always be up north. Theres a huge exclusive about DA2 in game informer mag. and it says that a LOT of choices will effect DA2. They even mention that you will see some of these choices from a diffrent angle. Hawke is basically that guy you didnt notice in the backround who saw a lot of things you did.

the mag actually says we "may" get to even SEE our old grey warden, a copy of him will be made to DA2, armor and all, and we may fight with him, or witness said events.

Oh, we'd better not. There is no way Hawke is beating my Warden and since they can't talk...God, they wouldn't voice her, would they? 

lol the mag mentions a brief interaction. That could be anything. I doubt they would voice them. that would ruin the experience.

They will probly just show you watching them from a distance as they leave or something. Your story is not about the old grey warden though what he/she did with their time effects the storyline a great deal.

But your interaction with the warden is supposed to be breif and memorable. So no worries about having some long drawn out conversation with them. Hell maybe the interaction may not even happen at all. they did say "may" after all haha.

back on the side point lol. Ok i will try that. Just curious can anyone do the game without a spirit healer and without pultices? like just surviving on heal and regeneration? not counting things like forcefield or blizzard and such.

say all your mage used was heal and regen. how possible is that?

[Sarah1281]

Zjarcal wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Steel Majere343 wrote...

it wont always be up north. Theres a huge exclusive about DA2 in game informer mag. and it says that a LOT of choices will effect DA2. They even mention that you will see some of these choices from a diffrent angle. Hawke is basically that guy you didnt notice in the backround who saw a lot of things you did.

the mag actually says we "may" get to even SEE our old grey warden, a copy of him will be made to DA2, armor and all, and we may fight with him, or witness said events.

Oh, we'd better not. There is no way Hawke is beating my Warden and since they can't talk...God, they wouldn't voice her, would they? 

Totally agree.

My Warden falls to no one! And I suppose they could voice our wardens since they already had a voice selected for them during the character creation. That however would be awkward.... 

If we see her at all I'll probably have to redo my planned-import playthrough as I've changed what she looks like. And her name.

[Zjarcal]

Steel Majere343 wrote...

back on the side point lol. Ok i will try that. Just curious can anyone do the game without a spirit healer and without pultices? like just surviving on heal and regeneration? not counting things like forcefield or blizzard and such.

say all your mage used was heal and regen. how possible is that?

Hmm... depends on whether you can accept the occasional injury and how much crowd control you have. There's a video on Youtube that shows the Ser Cauthrien battle with no poultices used whatsoever (not sure if Morrigan was spec'd as a Spirit Healer).

It's possible alright (considering that some people play the game solo on nightmare, anything's possible), but it may be too hard for you, considering what you have previously mentioned.