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[killersinc]

So bioware I really have to ask you a serious question. Why the hell did we have to side with cerberus? Seriously ever, AND I mean every thing they have shown us has been a failure or had a huge body count to achieve. Most of the missions had horrible agents death count with no real results. Even bringing back Shep had a body count. In the beginning of ME 2 you see a bunch get completely owned just so they can get their one true victory out the door. This group seems to be completly incompetent.

One thing cerberus does right is sending out the waves of it's own to die for the main core group. Reminds me of the poor crew of the enterprise who had to go with the main characters. They die off in a few minutes of being on screen, but in the mass effect world the cerberus crew gets owned before they even have a chance anything. The reaper attack is going to be epic because there is a new idea TIM is going to use. Operation meat shield! Shep take your crew, ok the rest of you form a wall in front of him so the bullets will kill you and not the team

[Netzach]

You only know about the things that were wrong not those which actually worked.

[Bogsnot1]

The Reapers and Cerberus have one thing in common. They are both fixated on the one guy who utterly screwed them over.

[CroGamer002]

How Alliance and Council Races are any better?

[Massadonious1]

kanuvis wrote...

You only know about the things that were wrong not those which actually worked.

I heard they donate backpacks full of school supplies to disadvantaged human kids and rescue shelter animals.

[JedTed]

Uh, be cause it's part of the story. You don't have to like Cerberus but would you rather they left Shepard to rot?

[THALE]

I heard that TIM helped save a older woman from getting hit by a car. Then he threw her infront of a Semi >.>

[lovgreno]

kanuvis wrote...

You only know about the things that were wrong not those which actually worked.

While we don't know exactly what those things that actualy worked are we don't have much to go from except the failiures.
But seriously I don't think the writers intended to make Cerberus look as foolish as they seem. It is a plot device to make Shepard look more heroic, they just used it a bit too often.

[HopHazzard]

Because they're the only ones who both believe that the Reapers are coming, and have the resources to back you up. Believe me, my Shep isn't happy about it, but if they're the only ones who'll step up he'll make the most of it.

[killersinc]

I don't mind that they brought back shep. Hell that is the only thing they have done right ( that we know of) but even during the restoration of our fallen hero they sustained a great deal of death. I wouldn't mind to see the section of cerberus that actually works! Hell it would feel nice if they had a good secondary team that we fly in to back them up. Right now it seems like a bunch of rejects getting guns/ research money and getting themselves killed.

[Sursion]

One of the biggest reasons not to give Cerberus the base. In about 48 hours, everyone will be dead for some reason.

[killersinc]

I can only imagine what will happen to my character in ME3. I gave them the base O_O they will most certainly kill themselves in the most hilarious ways

[angj57]

I just don't get it. Everyone talks about how incompetent Cerberus is. I don't think you guys are thinking it through enough.

Cerberus successes:

Restoring Shepard
Building EDI
Rebuilding and Improving the Normandy
Finding the Derelict Reaper (the Council/ Alliance can't even prove that Reapers exist)

Someone will argue that these were actually failures because Shepard can turn against Cerberus. Irrelevant. TIM's primary goal was to beat the Collectors and he succeeds in doing this through these projects. You could also argue that killing Kohoku was a success-- not a nice thing to do, but he was a security leak, and it can't be easy to take out an Alliance admiral.

Cerberus failures:

Jack
Husks
Rachni
Thorian Creepers
The team on the Derelict Reaper
The Firewalker Team

These are all minor failures. In each of these projects, from a Cerberus point of view, the potential gain-- getting a super weapon, far outweighs the potential loss-- one science team. Jack is also established to be a rogue team and it's debatable whether it should even count.

Then, finally, there are all the missions we don't hear about. Cerberus is a shadow organization, and their successes are not going to be as publicized as their failures. Clearly they maintain an extremely effect information network and a powerful funding base. Overall, I think most Cerberus "failures" are calculated risks with teams that are judged to be expendible, rather than major setbacks for the organization.

[CroGamer002]

angj57 wrote...

I just don't get it. Everyone talks about how incompetent Cerberus is. I don't think you guys are thinking it through enough.

Cerberus successes:

Restoring Shepard
Building EDI
Rebuilding and Improving the Normandy
Finding the Derelict Reaper (the Council/ Alliance can't even prove that Reapers exist)

Someone will argue that these were actually failures because Shepard can turn against Cerberus. Irrelevant. TIM's primary goal was to beat the Collectors and he succeeds in doing this through these projects. You could also argue that killing Kohoku was a success-- not a nice thing to do, but he was a security leak, and it can't be easy to take out an Alliance admiral.

Cerberus failures:

Jack
Husks
Rachni
Thorian Creepers
The team on the Derelict Reaper
The Firewalker Team

These are all minor failures. In each of these projects, from a Cerberus point of view, the potential gain-- getting a super weapon, far outweighs the potential loss-- one science team. Jack is also established to be a rogue team and it's debatable whether it should even count.

Then, finally, there are all the missions we don't hear about. Cerberus is a shadow organization, and their successes are not going to be as publicized as their failures. Clearly they maintain an extremely effect information network and a powerful funding base. Overall, I think most Cerberus "failures" are calculated risks with teams that are judged to be expendible, rather than major setbacks for the organization.

Agreed but Overlord is complete failure.

[demersel]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

The Reapers and Cerberus have one thing in common. They are both fixated on the one guy who utterly screwed them over.

Yes. It's LOVE!

[angj57]

Mesina2 wrote...

Agreed but Overlord is complete failure.

Hmm, haven't played it yet, as my xbox hard drive is full and I'm planning on buying another one. Looking forward to it though.

[HopHazzard]

Frankly, it's not Cerberus's success to failure ratio that I take issue with. It's the fact that they've repeatedly experimented on beings capable of calculus.

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

This thread is as doomed as Kahoku.

[angj57]

HopHazzard wrote...

Frankly, it's not Cerberus's success to failure ratio that I take issue with. It's the fact that they've repeatedly experimented on beings capable of calculus.

Who? The Telton Project (Jack) was a rogue cell, not the main organization. The Rachni are intelligent, but no one knew what the Rachni were really like pre-Noveria. I'll remind you that the Council gets furious with Shepard that he didn't kill the Rachni queen on sight. According to Miranda, the Husks and Thorian Creeprs were already "turned" before they began experimenting on them.

[HopHazzard]

The fact that it was a rogue cell is immaterial. They still hired ethically dubious people. And what? They never read a history book? The Rachni had space ships. They were clearly sapient. Does the fact that the subjects of their experiments were babies make it better? And what about Akuze where they deliberately lured soldiers onto the thresher nest just to see what would happen? A trick they repeated in ME1 BTW only that time it was just to kill them.

[HopHazzard]

And let's not forget Overlord. Let's interface a developmentally disabled man with a giant computer so he can link with a hive intelligence. Because nothing bad could possibly come of that.

Edit: The fact that TIM doesn't specifically tell them to do any of these things doesn't absolve Cerberus of responsibility. He's the one hiring mad scientists, throwing money at them, and telling them "Do whatever it takes". He doesn't get to cry innocent when they cross the moral event horizon.

Modifié par HopHazzard, 13 juillet 2010 - 09:17 .

[HopHazzard]

mrsph wrote...

I like how people say the cell that made Jack went rogue. TIM at least allowed them to buy child slaves from batarians for them to experiment on.

TIM does seem to "accidentally" hire a lot of mad scientists. I think he needs to revamp his screening process.