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[Rubbish Hero]

The fact he thinks they are deep just goes to show how shallow console gaming is.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I HAVENT PLAYED THESE GAMES BUT I WILL HAVE AN OPINION ON ALL OF THEM

[TheMadCat]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I HAVENT PLAYED THESE GAMES BUT I WILL HAVE AN OPINION ON ALL OF THEM

Caps are so cool, as is rambling.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I agree

[Haexpane]

TheMadCat wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

3 of the most complex and deep RPGs of all time are on CONSOLES

Vagrant Story - PSone! ancient technology, but a fantastic, deep, challenging strategic game

Demon's Souls - action combat, yet overwhelmingly deep and complex

Everquest ONline PS2 - very deep MMO runs on a console WITH NO HARD DRIVE

Hahaha, joke of there day. Nice work.

Admit it, you haven't even played those games.  Otherwise you would never post such lies

[Haexpane]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

The fact he thinks they are deep just goes to show how shallow console gaming is.

Another doubter who has never played the games.

[Lord_Saulot]

Haexpane wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

3 of the most complex and deep RPGs of all time are on CONSOLES

Vagrant Story - PSone! ancient technology, but a fantastic, deep, challenging strategic game

Demon's Souls - action combat, yet overwhelmingly deep and complex

Everquest ONline PS2 - very deep MMO runs on a console WITH NO HARD DRIVE

Hahaha, joke of there day. Nice work.

Admit it, you haven't even played those games.  Otherwise you would never post such lies

Or maybe he just disagrees with you.  And unless you've played every RPG ever made, how do you know wehther they were among the most deep and complex RPGs of all time?

[Onyx Jaguar]

I've played Demon's SOuls out of that bunch. I would pit it against numerous pc rpgs I have played.

Then again I do not understand this concept of depth or complexity.

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 15 juillet 2010 - 06:34 .

[Delta_Pizza]

Vagrant Story was a great game for it's time, in fact I still have my PS1 copy of it.

I'm always baffled by the amount of hate I see console players getting in these forums. Contrary to popular belief we are not all COD/Halo kids with a distinct lack of anything going on within the brains department.

All this talk of "dynamic" combat is making me very nervous. DA:O was quite simply my favourite RPG of all time and I really don't want to see it dumbed down to appeal to the masses.

[Grommash94]

Why are console players discounted as 'casual gamers' or 'morons' or 'people who play shallow games'? Get over yourselves guys, they are games, geez.

[Monstruo696]

This thread is hilarious.

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

No one is calling console players morons.



Do you really doubt that a large portion of console gamers are casual?



By virtue of being on this forum board talking about DA:O you're an outlier on the line graph that is console gamers my friend. The vast majority of the rest of console gamers are rapidly pressing the y button to skip the "talky talky" parts.

[Grommash94]

Kinthalis ThornBlade wrote...

No one is calling console players morons.

Do you really doubt that a large portion of console gamers are casual?

By virtue of being on this forum board talking about DA:O you're an outlier on the line graph that is console gamers my friend. The vast majority of the rest of console gamers are rapidly pressing the y button to skip the "talky talky" parts.

And, how do you know that for a FACT? Most of my friends who play Dragon Age are even more immersed in it than I am.

Mind you, I do play DA on the PC too, but, still.

Modifié par Grommash94, 15 juillet 2010 - 06:55 .

[stevej713]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I've played Demon's SOuls out of that bunch. I would pit it against numerous pc rpgs I have played.

Then again I do not understand this concept of depth or complexity.

Neither do I.  Apparently it's part of some lexicon that makes people feel smart while playing video games.

I could play Dragon Age, or I could play Castle Crashers.  I love both games intensely, regardless of their "depth".

[Onyx Jaguar]

Casual players shy away from games that play in a 3D field.



Call of Duty is not a casual game, nor is it a console game.



You would have to look at accessable games. The turn to 3D in the mid nineties turned off a lot of players due to confusing controls, motion sickness etc.



You won't get motion sickness from playing Peggle, Bejewelled and the like. Tetris. These are simple and to the point.



Also dialogue isn't a sign of being hardcore or not, many of the hardcore would skip out on such things to get to the meat of the game because that is fairly new in game design.

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

And the plural of anectdote is not data.



Though I have to admit my own assumption falls prey to the same logical fallacy. But I'm not just making stuff up either. All you have to do is read other forum boards, see the type of games that sell really well on the consoles, listen to console gamers and their preferences. Hell, just play any game on xbox live, and you'll hear what your average console gamer is like.



Just take a look around these board. There is a split between those people who want more action, more focused story, rather than an more open ended tactical experience. And for the most part (though not in ALL cases of course) that divide runs through the PC and console crowds.

[Onyx Jaguar]

This debate would exist even if it was only PC players making it

[Grommash94]

Kinthalis ThornBlade wrote...

And the plural of anectdote is not data.

Though I have to admit my own assumption falls prey to the same logical fallacy. But I'm not just making stuff up either. All you have to do is read other forum boards, see the type of games that sell really well on the consoles, listen to console gamers and their preferences. Hell, just play any game on xbox live, and you'll hear what your average console gamer is like.

Just take a look around these board. There is a split between those people who want more action, more focused story, rather than an more open ended tactical experience. And for the most part (though not in ALL cases of course) that divide runs through the PC and console crowds.

There are plenty of PC gamers who like to play shallow action games. It isn't like they aren't available to them.

If you said perhaps that the more younger crowd goes for consoles, then very well, I would accept that.

Modifié par Grommash94, 15 juillet 2010 - 07:05 .

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

I never said that there wasn't.

[Onyx Jaguar]

If it wasn't for Half-Life even console FPS's would all play like Marathon (I mean look at the old Medal of Honor games, Perfect Dark, Goldeneye).



There is little to no difference outside of interface between the two. Both sides now even have the same developers. It is more of a cultural difference than anything. And that doesn't have anything to do with the platforms.

[TheMadCat]

Haexpane wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

3 of the most complex and deep RPGs of all time are on CONSOLES

Vagrant Story - PSone! ancient technology, but a fantastic, deep, challenging strategic game

Demon's Souls - action combat, yet overwhelmingly deep and complex

Everquest ONline PS2 - very deep MMO runs on a console WITH NO HARD DRIVE

Hahaha, joke of there day. Nice work.

Admit it, you haven't even played those games.  Otherwise you would
never post such lies

I've played a bit of Demon's Soul and I've played Everquest  on the PC (Going to assume the console is at the most on par with this.) Neither of these are what I consider complex and deep, if you want complex and deep play the Wizadry series, pick up some of the Ultima games, Daggerfall and Arcanum are well above Demon's Soul.

They may be some of the most complex and deep RPG's YOU have played, but that in no way automaticly concludes they are 3 of the most complex and deep RPG's of all time.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 15 juillet 2010 - 07:27 .

[Lord Gremlin]

Kinthalis ThornBlade wrote...

No one is calling console players morons.

Do you really doubt that a large portion of console gamers are casual?

By virtue of being on this forum board talking about DA:O you're an outlier on the line graph that is console gamers my friend. The vast majority of the rest of console gamers are rapidly pressing the y button to skip the "talky talky" parts.

If we're speaking of Europe - YES I doubt. Most casual gamer here play on PC. Can't speak about USA. As a Russian I have little good to say about it anyway though.
Thing is that platform is irrelevant when speaking of "dumbed down games", or games aimed at hardcore players. Demon's Souls which is so popular in this thread is in fact the most hardcore and complex RPG so far if we're talking about gameplay/combat.

Personally I'm ok with Dragon Age as it is. It's an easy, casual game already (since Origins) and I honestly don't want it to go demon soulish. I appreciate deep and complex story in Bioware games and combat should not prevent me from enjoying it. That's it. 

Just to inform you: until year 2005 I've mostly played on PC, so I've played Gothic series games, Baldur's Gate, Planetscape: Torment and others, including Diablo and it's clones. So far, best combat i've seen belongs to Demon's Souls.

Modifié par Lord Gremlin, 15 juillet 2010 - 07:45 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Depends on the platform. The Wii has had some success in the casual market with a few titles, but the 360 has largely fell flat as Microsoft doesn't understand how to market to them. Sony is a bit better.



3rd party, the music game craze built up quite a bit of casual following, but that audience is fading.

[UndercoverDoctor]

jableskage wrote...

**** the consoles, you **** every game

What the hells your problem.

[L0ckd0wn325]

I don't really see why Bioware would half-ass the console version.