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[Cerberus Operative]

DanteCousland wrote...

Thanks. Millions of prepubescent kids screaming down the Mic whilst playing MW2 has soured console gamers reputation. I don't even own that abomination of a game.

Could not be more true, coming from someone who has been berated on many occasions for playing games which are 'just a lot of talking'. This is where the myth of console gamers being ultra-casual and wanting simple, easy games to play comes from. And, I hate all FPS games.

[Larryboy_Dragon]

Kinthalis ThornBlade wrote...

Listen, you are the ones who are worried about the possible change in combat for the consoles. I'm right there with you, I didn't like the removal of races from the game. Lousy decision.

But do you really think that the possible ('cause nothing has been confirmed) change to the combat in consoles has NOTHING to do with the fact that you guys are limited by a controller? Nothing at all that whether true or not, publishers consider consoles gamers more casual?

It's like you're lamenting that consoles aren't more like PC's. I'm just pointing out, that notions of PC gaming being super expensive are outdated and usually stem from ignorant comments by console gamers who wouldn't know a graphics card if someone hit them over the head with one.
 

Good post, btw... I think I see where you are coming from a lot better.

I knew switching to console was going to mean I lost some of what I loved. I spent more time then was healthy playing NWN mods (penultima ftw!) and persistant worlds. My BG2 is modded to hell.
I accept and embrace necessary changes due to limits of the controller - it's what you give up when you forgo a gaming rig. What I would object to is unnecessary changes made to appeal to action gamers.... why enter that crowded genre when they have a proven genre all their own?

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

Ahhh! Don't mention NWN!

::Crawls to a corner and cries::

MY precious...

Modifié par Kinthalis ThornBlade, 13 juillet 2010 - 12:45 .

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

That's not really true anymore, thanks in part, to the this console's generation being so long.



A 3 year old video card can run almost all cross platform games at high settings simply because the game was designed with consoles in mind. Consoles being 5 year old hardware, even a poor port will run pretty good on an old video card.



The exception comes when you try to play a modern PC only game, and then only those games that are meant to push graphical barriers. Crysis, won't run very well on an old video card, for example, neither will Metro 2033, but I'm sure starcraft II will,a nd I'm sure MW2 does.

[Kohaku]

Kinthalis ThornBlade wrote...

That's not really true anymore, thanks in part, to the this console's generation being so long.

A 3 year old video card can run almost all cross platform games at high settings simply because the game was designed with consoles in mind. Consoles being 5 year old hardware, even a poor port will run pretty good on an old video card.

The exception comes when you try to play a modern PC only game, and then only those games that are meant to push graphical barriers. Crysis, won't run very well on an old video card, for example, neither will Metro 2033, but I'm sure starcraft II will,a nd I'm sure MW2 does.

Exactly. I held on to my last gaming laptop to the very bitter end. I loved that thing but eventually it couldn't do what I needed it to do so I got a new one this year. Made me love DAO so much more to be able to change the settings to where I want them.

However, I have all three consoles too so I'm not limited by system. The only reason I bought ME2 on the 360 was because I had ME1 on the 360 and at the time I didn't have a computer that was able to play it.

Modifié par Kerridan Kaiba, 13 juillet 2010 - 01:18 .

[dan107]

Cerberus Operative wrote...

Larryboy_Dragon
wrote...

Cerberus Operative wrote...


Perhaps I was a little over-zealous in my previous post, I do understand that many console gamers do prefer a more action-oriented experience, but I feel that there are also console gamers who enjoy the old school RPG
experience the DA:O brings and feel it is unfair to single them out for criticism. The post wasn't aimed at you or anyone in particular, I was just trying to show that console gamers are not all people who want games that play themselves.

 
Eloquently stated. As was your previous post.

Thank you.

God I love these boards. Where else are you going to see a console/PC exchange end like this? What a far cry from the typical debates about one's novelty to gaming or the sexual prowess of one's mother.

Modifié par dan107, 13 juillet 2010 - 01:22 .

[mopotter]

Larryboy_Dragon wrote...

I'm a dedicated 360 player who bailed out of pc gaming due to ballooning costs of hardware, and I settled on Xbox because at the time it had the greater percentage of deep pc-style experiences (KotOR, Morrowind, etc). 
Considering that Dragon Age outsold Mass Effect, I had assumed that we would see a DA2 that brought more of the strategic elements to the console now that the franchise is a proven success.


Instead, it seems that the pc enthusiasts claims that console gamers are dumb and can't handle a proper RPG has been taken seriously:
http://kotaku.com/55...fects-footsteps


Another change - and this might be the biggest - is that only the PC version will retain Origins' "strategic combat". The console versions will feature a new combat system, one BioWare says plays to the strength of the control pad. "Rather than try to mimic the PC experience on consoles", the GI report states, "Dragon Age II has a battle system more tailored to the strengths of the PS3 and 360."



I hope this doesn't mean action based. I hope you recognise that there are console players looking for deep, strategic RPG combat. Most of all, I hope that you recognise that on consoles the action RPG genre is over-saturated (Oblivion, ME, Fallout, Divinity 2, Risen, Sacred 2, Two Worlds and rpg/fps hybrids), and the beat-em-up genre is worse.



I figured that we got a watered down DA because our version was an outsourced afterthought, and hoped that DA2 would give us the complete experience. Disheartening that we are obviously still seen as 2nd class. More disheartening that the Fallout FPS is the closest thing to a traditional RPG that I have to look forward to.

I'm not sure what watered down means.  I had both versions and they played the same.  I don't really like keyboard playing but I like mods.  My husband and I both played DA so when he was on the xbox360 I was on the pc and when he was doing stuff on the pc I was on the xbox 360.  I really did not see any difference, except I had better hair on the pc.  

[Rubbish Hero]

Larryboy_Dragon wrote... I'm a dedicated 360 player who bailed out of pc gaming due to ballooning costs of hardware, and I settled on Xbox because at the time it had the greater percentage of deep pc-style experiences (KotOR, Morrowind, etc). 

lol

[Rubbish Hero]

jableskage wrote...

**** the consoles, you **** every game

Very true.

Case in point.

kotaku.com/5585681/which-version-of-deus-ex-human-revolution-should-you-buy

By no lead platform, he actually means "the consoles".

[Narreneth]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

jableskage wrote...

**** the consoles, you **** every game

Very true.

Case in point.

kotaku.com/5585681/which-version-of-deus-ex-human-revolution-should-you-buy

By no lead platform, he actually means "the consoles".

You're wrong in almost every post you make.

[Rubbish Hero]

Narreneth wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

jableskage wrote...

**** the consoles, you **** every game

Very true.

Case in point.

kotaku.com/5585681/which-version-of-deus-ex-human-revolution-should-you-buy

By no lead platform, he actually means "the consoles".

You're wrong in almost every post you make.

I'm sure wall cover, health regen, Fear 2 having the same claims and the fact Dues Ex was being presented on a console with a control pad was demonstrative of my wrongness.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 13 juillet 2010 - 02:23 .

[RetrOldSchool]

I'm a little worried about this... Hopefully BW is only doing tweaks that will make the combat work better on consoles (where DA:O at times lacked. I really missed a "move to" command for the party for instance, sometimes it made it close to impossible to get your party out of AoE's.) and they're are hopefully not turning it to a hack-n-slash.
The most important thing for me I think is that I still will be able to micro manage the rest of my party, when it comes to ability usage and actions.
I microed DA:O a LOT (I had almost no auto abilities except attack) so BW please don't take that away from me! To me, that's a big part of the depth and it also made the game feel a lot like KOTOR to me (which always is a good thing) only deeper.

[Carmen_Willow]

Tirigon wrote...

I wouldn´t worry too much yet. It´s very vague WHAT exactly the change will be.

On another note, I don´t understand your concerns anyways. I prefer a good hack´n´slash combat over the one in DAO, and if I ignore my first comment and jump to far-fetched conclusions I´m almost sad I´m a PC- and not a console gamer.

I've played both and the combat on console is much more immediate and produces a great adrenaline rush!

[Carmen_Willow]

Larryboy_Dragon wrote...

werwulf222 wrote...

I feel sorry for console gamers and figure they got a raw deal from console manufacturers.

No mods, no way to add a keyboard, joystick mouse etc.

How hard would it have been for them to include some USB ports in their machines while they were being manufactured? At least then console gamers would have had some kind of upgrade path.

 

Consoles have USB, but I prefer the controller (worked with pcs for 20 years, keyboards give me RSI).

But the lack of user-mods does suck.

One of the reasons I play games on console is because using the keyboard and mouse just hurts after awhile.....it's physically easier to control your character and your party using the controller.

[Carmen_Willow]

DanteCousland wrote...

Thtas why I bought a console, its alot cheaper than a computer. only 300 dollars or so. whereas a decent computer is like 750

To run a really big game like DA:O you need a computer with a separate dedicated graphics memory.....think more like $1300 for a better framing, etc.

[Carmen_Willow]

Cerberus Operative wrote...

I am sick to the teeth of saying this, but console gamers are not responsible for the perceived "dumbing down" of games. It is ridiculous how much abuse console gamers must put up with on these forums simply because they choose to use a different gaming system. The elitist attitude of some PC gamers on these is very annoying and completely unfounded. How does playing a game on PC make you the "hardcore" section of gamers?

Concur wholeheartedly, sir.

[Rubbish Hero]

Console gaming is about sitting on a couch and leaning back with a control pad. Sitting  on a desk, leaning forward with 104 keys is very different from an 8-10 button control pad. Consoles are best for wii games, beat em up's and Madden, passive entertainment.  Outside of that FPS/RTS/MMO/SIM e.t.c.. for pc. Console ruin, very bad.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 13 juillet 2010 - 02:53 .

[Narreneth]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Console gaming is about sitting on a couch with a control pad. Sitting  on a desk, leaning forward with 104 keys is very different from an 8-10 button control pad. Consoles are best for wii games, beat em up's and Madden, passive entertainment.  Outside of that FPS/RTS/MMO/SIM e.t.c.. for pc. Console ruin, very bad.

You've done it again.

[Carmen_Willow]

Kinthalis ThornBlade wrote...

DanteCousland wrote...

I really hate the PC elitism, I want a gaming computer but I'll tell you something, I'm poor. I do not have the money to spend 100 dollars on a video card when an Xbox 360 only costs thrice that much. .

Lol. Did you read this before posting? 'cause it doesn't make any sense.

"I'm poor! I can only afford to pay three times as much money for a lesser option! Woe is me!"

If I were to speculate based on your responses to a perfectly legitimate reason to choose a console, I would say that you are very  invested in proving yourself to be top dog in the p******* contest.   If that is true, then let me concede:  I am sure that yours in much bigger than mine.  In fact, I am positive that this is so.

Now, can we get on with the subject at hand?
 

[Carmen_Willow]

mopotter wrote...

I'm not sure what watered down means.  I had both versions and they played the same.  I don't really like keyboard playing but I like mods.  My husband and I both played DA so when he was on the xbox360 I was on the pc and when he was doing stuff on the pc I was on the xbox 360.  I really did not see any difference, except I had better hair on the pc.  

I do miss the better hair and better looking mage robes.

[DPB]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

To run a really big game like DA:O you need a computer with a separate dedicated graphics memory.....think more like $1300 for a better framing, etc.

It's really not necessary to spend anywhere near that much, DAO just isn't that demanding.

[Carmen_Willow]

dbankier wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...

To run a really big game like DA:O you need a computer with a separate dedicated graphics memory.....think more like $1300 for a better framing, etc.

It's really not necessary to spend anywhere near that much, DAO just isn't that demanding.

Sorry I was speaking laptop....don't know if that makes a difference.

[Captain Jazz]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

To run a really big game like DA:O you need a computer with a separate dedicated graphics memory.....think more like $1300 for a better framing, etc.

For serious? I'm running it on an unupgraded 2 year old ~$800 (2 years ago) laptop... although I do have to set it at medium graphics and use a tower fan to keep it from overheating.

[dan107]

Carmen_Willow wrote...
To run a really big game like DA:O you need a computer with a separate dedicated graphics memory.....think more like $1300 for a better framing, etc.

I built my computer for about 900 bucks 3 years ago, and it runs DA at max settings just fine. Today you can probably get the same rig for about $400-500. Not much more expensive than a console.