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Captain Jazz wrote...

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To run a really big game like DA:O you need a computer with a separate dedicated graphics memory.....think more like $1300 for a better framing, etc.


For serious? I'm running it on an unupgraded 2 year old ~$800 (2 years ago) laptop... although I do have to set it at medium graphics and use a tower fan to keep it from overheating.


Well my 800 pc stuttered and faltered like an 80 yr old lady......don't have that problem anymore on pc.  But then I got used to playing the game on console and I get irritated with the point and click mouse stuff on pc and end up going back to the console.  Plus, it literally hurts my hands to play the game for any length of time with mouse and keyboard.

Finally, there is a $500 difference between the best Xbox 360 and your $800 computer.  $500 is a car payment where I come from.  That's a lot of money when you don't have it.

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True Console versions are dumb down but not because of the lack of respect of console oweners but because of the major limitatations of consoles.



It has always been and always will be thus, because pcs are virtually limitless in what they can does theses days, it will matter not how good a console will become it will always be left lying in the Pcs dust.



Trust me Im not trying to star a format war as I am a console and pc owner and if a game comes out for pc and said console I will always buy the pc version for the fact it is:



Faster

Better Graphics

Higher Resolution

Easier controls e.g. Keyboardand Mouse (seriously have you ever tryed to play a FPS on a joystick its insane)

Upgradability when a Pc needs and upgrade you can just in a new graphics card and be upto date easierly, where has console owners have to buy a new machine.



And as well as doing all that it is also a highly adaptive and intelegent mutimedia centre that can do almost you can throw at it.

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Speaking as someone who has a gaming PC, a 360 and a PS3... console games ARE dumbed down.

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Random goonies paste.

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At least some companies think console players like things simpler, so sorry there. If it isn´t true it means at least enough of you gave them that impression.

A question to people who prefer console because of the cost. Do you usually rent your games? At least in my country it takes ages for a console game to go low cost, while in PC it´s usually less than a year to go 20E or less (MW1&2 excluded).

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I have the DAO for the PC, but i don't see why the consoles can't have a great rpg I have Demon's Souls for the PS3 it is one of the greatest rpg i played on console. I'm sure bioware can make it work for the consoles.


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John Crichton wrote...


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Bah, beat me to it.


Still, dirty console gaming peasants are dirty.

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Carmen_Willow wrote...

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Thtas why I bought a console, its alot cheaper than a computer. only 300 dollars or so. whereas a decent computer is like 750


To run a really big game like DA:O you need a computer with a separate dedicated graphics memory.....think more like $1300 for a better framing, etc.


Oh please. You're trolling right?

"separate dedicated graphics memory" and  "better framing"? You shouldn't talk about stuff you don't know a thing about.

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Ironically, the 80 million Farmville players are as hardcore and non-casual as PC gamers come.



I play on the Xbox 360 and have always enjoyed dirty console gaming. Although I am quite jealous of the toolsets and modding capabilities of the PC versions, I am a console ****. Cost isn't really a factor for me; I just prefer console gaming. I won't say anything that would imply that PC gamers are stupid and dirty because they really aren't, but some are definitely dealing with some kind of star-bellied sneetch attitude problem.

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I really don't see why is there concern about this.

The game played differently between PC and Xbox 360.

I played them both and the difference was not only in top down view. Thing is that when you paused the game on Xbox, you could only give orders to the selected companion. This actually made the game a mess because you had to switch companion then pause all the time to give separate orders instead of having only one paused session.

Because this didn't make the game as enjoyable, the gameplay manner changed between the two platforms so I could get most of it, although there wasn't any announcement that it will be different, well it was because of such annoying pause sessions there wasn't a proper satisfaction out of strategy.



And if they will make the experience more enjoyable with a controller to get the best out of a controller version well I'm sold. The statement doesn't say that the console version will be a stripped PC version but that it will be different.

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At the end of the Day I play dragon Age for the story, and that's on all formats.

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Noobius_Maximo wrote...

Wait for more info before jumping to conclusions, mmkay?


Yeah, what this guy said. I don't know why it still surprises me when people jump to conclusions with so little information...

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jableskage wrote...

**** the consoles, you **** every game


i love seeing such ignorance and closed minded gamers.
ah you really make me happy when i see people hating on pc/consoles for whatever reason, because it makes me realise how vastly superior the rest of us must be

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Psychoray wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...

DanteCousland wrote...

Thtas why I bought a console, its alot cheaper than a computer. only 300 dollars or so. whereas a decent computer is like 750


To run a really big game like DA:O you need a computer with a separate dedicated graphics memory.....think more like $1300 for a better framing, etc.


Oh please. You're trolling right?

"separate dedicated graphics memory" and  "better framing"? You shouldn't talk about stuff you don't know a thing about.


Well in this case, my ignorance probably got me to buy a lot more computer than I needed if all of you are correct.  I just know that my pc version now actually works on my pc.  It didn't on my old one and it was a $700 computer.  The program jumped about and I died a lot because by the time the computer executed my commands, my pc was dead.

  Maybe if I knew how to put in my own graphics cards, and yada yada yada, I wouldn't have spent so much, but hey, that's not my forte.  So I ended up with an expensive computer and now my game works.  What can I say?

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I have no problem with FPS's on a console. Since I don't have a joystick on the PC, I'd rather sacrifice aim for movement.

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[quote]Kinthalis ThornBlade wrote...

[quote]Larryboy_Dragon wrote...

The only people who should have laptops are those that travel a lot for work, or who need them for school.

::sigh:: But that's another rant.
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Travel, school, working, all of the above. Laptop needed.

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Its not that console gamers are dumb, while I agree with the stereotype that console gamers prefer fast paced games to slow story ones, its the fact that many things in Origins were notably easier to execute with a mouse/keyboard. If you have to keep having to move your cursor over a lot in Xbox it leads to a lot of wasted time when strategical in combat.

For example, say you want to select something in the PC version of a game, simply move your mouse over it and click it. Done, .5 seconds tops. If you want to do it in the xbox though you can either move a cursor over it (if the game has that), but notably less precision than a mouse and hit X or B or whatever (been awhile since I've played an Xbox), or keep moving your toggle stick to the right/left to select the icon you want. Notably tailored experience to the PCs. DA2 devs are working to create a smoother experience for the consoles. If you ask me, it is obviously a sign that devs want a better experience for the players as I've heard alot of people complaining about the console versions of Origins.



Also, to refute a point made by the OP, hardware costs aren't balooning, newest stuff is always expensive as hell, but it always drops in price when the games actually start utilizing the full hardware.  $500 video cards for example are complete overkill in the games made today.  Quad cores are also overkill, you could easily play with a $70 AMD processor.  I have a $150 or less (haven't checked prices in awhile) ATI Radeo 4870 and it runs many of the latest games on max settings at 100+ FPS.  You could build a PC that can play every game out, except Crysis, for about $500, but you can also do many other things with your PC other than play games.  I can guarentee you that these $300 and $400 video cards will be far down in price in a year or two, give or take.

Modifié par Prosthetics511, 13 juillet 2010 - 08:36 .


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Gill Kaiser wrote...

Speaking as someone who has a gaming PC, a 360 and a PS3... console games ARE dumbed down.


Speaking as someone who has a gaming PC, a 360 and a PS3... your ignorant.
seriously, i have all of those, have played most games on all three (i have friends and i barrow their copies no way im paying for 3 copies of one game lol) and console games are no more simplistic or dumbed down than pc games. games as a whole are getting more dumbed down, but thats so they can appeal to a broader audience. being a PC elitist doesnt change that fact, nor does it somehow make it console gamings fault. having more buttons doesnt make you somehow more intelligent or a better quality of gamer. take dragon age for instance, on console, you couldnt just have all of your abilities on a base at the bottom of the screen,you had to actually think, i know think, about wich ones you wanted to use, and assign them to one of 6 buttons.

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Prosthetics511 wrote...

Its not that console gamers are dumb, while I agree with the stereotype that console gamers prefer fast paced games to slow story ones, its the fact that many things in Origins were notably easier to execute with a mouse/keyboard. If you have to keep having to move your cursor over a lot in Xbox it leads to a lot of wasted time when strategical in combat.

For example, say you want to select something in the PC version of a game, simply move your mouse over it and click it. Done, .5 seconds tops. If you want to do it in the xbox though you can either move a cursor over it (if the game has that), but notably less precision than a mouse and hit X or B or whatever (been awhile since I've played an Xbox), or keep moving your toggle stick to the right/left to select the icon you want. Notably tailored experience to the PCs. DA2 devs are working to create a smoother experience for the consoles. If you ask me, it is obviously a sign that devs want a better experience for the players as I've heard alot of people complaining about the console versions of Origins.



now this i like, and agree with. well mostly.
firstly the whole selecting and using of the joystick isnt that hard on an xbox, most people get quite proficient at it after a while and dont have a problem with it at all.
secondly, yes the combat system on the xbox was flawed. and does need changes. although i dont like how people are saying it needs to be dumbed down so that console gamers can use it. thats not it at all, it was just a weird and clunky system. i had no problems using it mind you, but it could have definitely been better.
as long as they dont make this a mass effect clone in gameplay style, im fine with it.

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Deathstyk85 wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Speaking as someone who has a gaming PC, a 360 and a PS3... console games ARE dumbed down.


Speaking as someone who has a gaming PC, a 360 and a PS3... your ignorant.
seriously, i have all of those, have played most games on all three (i have friends and i barrow their copies no way im paying for 3 copies of one game lol) and console games are no more simplistic or dumbed down than pc games. games as a whole are getting more dumbed down, but thats so they can appeal to a broader audience. being a PC elitist doesnt change that fact, nor does it somehow make it console gamings fault. having more buttons doesnt make you somehow more intelligent or a better quality of gamer. take dragon age for instance, on console, you couldnt just have all of your abilities on a base at the bottom of the screen,you had to actually think, i know think, about wich ones you wanted to use, and assign them to one of 6 buttons.



Having only 6 abilities to toggle is more of a disadvantage if you ask me.  The whole point of the game, or atleast mages is to use spells in combos, not use the same over and over again. 

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Its not that big of a deal, if you have ever played KOTOR when it was originally released it pretty much plays like that.

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 Thing is that when you paused the game on Xbox, you could only give orders to the selected companion. This actually made the game a mess because you had to switch companion then pause all the time to give separate orders instead of having only one paused session.
Because this didn't make the game as enjoyable, the gameplay manner changed between the two platforms so I could get most of it, although there wasn't any announcement that it will be different, well it was because of such annoying pause sessions there wasn't a proper satisfaction out of strategy.

 


actually the pause thing, is not true. all you had to do was hold down the button, and then you could switch between characters and give each one an order. at first i thought as you did, then i noticed, oh wait, all i have to do is hold down the pause button. lol

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Daveastation wrote...

Ironically, the 80 million Farmville players are as hardcore and non-casual as PC gamers come.


Ironically, the game still has more depth to it than most console games, and it's casual. Likewise with the sims (ported to consoles). [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

This is obviously because the pc has superior controls that can utilize a
superior user interface, due to being superior.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 13 juillet 2010 - 08:43 .


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Prosthetics511 wrote...

Deathstyk85 wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Speaking as someone who has a gaming PC, a 360 and a PS3... console games ARE dumbed down.


Speaking as someone who has a gaming PC, a 360 and a PS3... your ignorant.
seriously, i have all of those, have played most games on all three (i have friends and i barrow their copies no way im paying for 3 copies of one game lol) and console games are no more simplistic or dumbed down than pc games. games as a whole are getting more dumbed down, but thats so they can appeal to a broader audience. being a PC elitist doesnt change that fact, nor does it somehow make it console gamings fault. having more buttons doesnt make you somehow more intelligent or a better quality of gamer. take dragon age for instance, on console, you couldnt just have all of your abilities on a base at the bottom of the screen,you had to actually think, i know think, about wich ones you wanted to use, and assign them to one of 6 buttons.



Having only 6 abilities to toggle is more of a disadvantage if you ask me.  The whole point of the game, or atleast mages is to use spells in combos, not use the same over and over again. 


you say disadvantage, i say obstacle to be overcome and triumphed over.
i never said it made the game better, i was just using the same lollogic that pcelitists tend to throw at us. never once did i say i used the same ones over and over. only that i had to be more strategic in my choices of "quick bar" buttons, instead of having it all layed out for me.