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[Luke Bioware]

Your arrogance annoys me. 'Real gamers' and how you talk about shooters for instance. Bah. To each their own. I like a good shooter too sometimes.

[TheSeeker2654]

Luke Bioware wrote...

Your arrogance annoys me. 'Real gamers' and how you talk about shooters for instance. Bah. To each their own. I like a good shooter too sometimes.

And so do I. Have played pretty much every significant shooter out there. What I DONT like is when they try to shove an rpg into a shooter mold.

[EmStar202]

Rogue Unit wrote...

The "real" gamer is the one that shuts up and play the video game. Not the ones that argue about which platform is best.

Yes.

[Ecael]

TheSeeker2654 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

TheSeeker2654 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Why is there a knee jerk reaction to scream "Oh noes! their catering to casual gamers!" everytime Bioware makes a sequel recently? I seriously doubt it's going o suddenly start playing like fable. I played it on console, I enjoyed it on console. I don't think they will do anything so drastic to lose any resemblence to the first game.

Probably because going "casual" usually means the death of what I personally like about RPG's. That is the micromanagement of characters and all that.

If you want to micromanage characters, you could always just play an RTS like Starcraft.

People keep throwing the word "casual" around as if it's some kind of faceless entity that hovers around absorbing specific video games, yet they fail to understand that some changes are made to improve the game for all players.

and when I say micromanagement I mean having access to tons of abililties skill and spells, armor and weapons to confront any situation in a way that I want to tackle it. Or having many different ways to combat any given situation.

And how do you know that there won't be tons of abilities, skills, spells, armor and weapons?

Modifié par Ecael, 13 juillet 2010 - 04:52 .

[TheSeeker2654]

Ecael wrote...

TheSeeker2654 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

TheSeeker2654 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Why is there a knee jerk reaction to scream "Oh noes! their catering to casual gamers!" everytime Bioware makes a sequel recently? I seriously doubt it's going o suddenly start playing like fable. I played it on console, I enjoyed it on console. I don't think they will do anything so drastic to lose any resemblence to the first game.

Probably because going "casual" usually means the death of what I personally like about RPG's. That is the micromanagement of characters and all that.

If you want to micromanage characters, you could always just play an RTS like Starcraft.

People keep throwing the word "casual" around as if it's some kind of faceless entity that hovers around absorbing specific video games, yet they fail to understand that some changes are made to improve the game for all players.

and when I say micromanagement I mean having access to tons of abililties skill and spells, armor and weapons to confront any situation in a way that I want to tackle it. Or having many different ways to combat any given situation.

And how do you know that there won't be tons of abilities, skills, spells, armor and weapons?

Honestly? I dont, but neither do you know for a fact that they HAVENT cut down on those things. This post is merely to let them know that one person at least, is NOT for a streamlined DA2. I dont care if I am the only one. I just wanted to feel like I had some sort of voice in the situation. Even if I dont really.

And by streamlined I mean slashing all that stuff. I am all for them making the combat engine work better with a console controlller. that was one big gripe out the first one.

[Rubbish Hero]

Dragon Age Origins very casual compared to Baldurs Gate super simple leveling and crafting, they already casual developers, makes super  sense to become more casual, become Shepard, save medieval land. Toys R Us icons instead of reading widen userbase to Gears Of War and Halo players.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 13 juillet 2010 - 05:02 .

[Leafs43]

People like TheSeeker were probably mad that rpgs went from text based to graphics based. Or even pen and paper to digital.



"It's casual if you don't have to roll your own die and create your own dungeons!"

[Wishpig]

Rogue Unit wrote...

The "real" gamer is the one that shuts up and play the video game. Not the ones that argue about which platform is best.

I'm pretty sure the "real" gamer is a person who plays games.

[obnoxiousgas]

Gamer elitism is hilarious, but let's not go jumping off the deep end just yet. If they were (are?) to completely alter the combat for the consoles it'd be a bit iffy, but at the moment I'm going to assume they're just trying to make the aspects of the combat more intuitive and fluid for the consoles. If I'm wrong, more fool me, but let's try and keep a positive outlook here and assume they're not totally re-inventing it.



Also, a 'real' gamer is one that exists, in contrast to imaginary gamers (which you get when you try to find the square root of a negative gamer).

[TheSeeker2654]

Leafs43 wrote...

People like TheSeeker were probably mad that rpgs went from text based to graphics based. Or even pen and paper to digital.

"It's casual if you don't have to roll your own die and create your own dungeons!"

So Im now being mocked for my opinions and my likes and dislikes? Funny, since you know nothing about me. Yes, IF ( and I am now saying IF) IF they go the route of ME2 and dumb down the leveling and progression. That is catering to the casual market whether you agree or not. They are catering to those that just want to rush through and finish the story asap. But I have never been about that. I have always taken my time, leveled my character. Done every optional side quest and boss. Thats my right. And its also my right to post here wit my opinions. Just as its your right to mindlessly mock those opinions.

obnoxiousgas wrote...

Gamer elitism is hilarious, but let's not go jumping off the deep end just yet. If they were (are?) to completely alter the combat for the consoles it'd be a bit iffy, but at the moment I'm going to assume they're just trying to make the aspects of the combat more intuitive and fluid for the consoles. If I'm wrong, more fool me, but let's try and keep a positive outlook here and assume they're not totally re-inventing it.

Also, a 'real' gamer is one that exists, in contrast to imaginary gamers (which you get when you try to find the square root of a negative gamer).

Well said, and while I didnt feel like I was being a gamer elitist. I guess i can see how it might have come across that way. I just dont like the new trend towards trying to make every game cater to every gamer. Just not possible. They should make RPG's for those that like that sort of thing. And make shooters for those that like shooters. Simple as that.

Modifié par TheSeeker2654, 13 juillet 2010 - 05:15 .

[Khavos]

Ecael wrote...
And how do you know that there won't be tons of abilities, skills, spells, armor and weapons?

We don't.  All we have is Bioware's recent history with changing direction in game series.  If that's a reliable guide, we'll be considering ourselves lucky if there's an inventory, much less loot. 

I'm Champion Hawke, and this is my favorite store in Kirkwall. 

[Ecael]

Khavos wrote...

Ecael wrote...
And how do you know that there won't be tons of abilities, skills, spells, armor and weapons?

We don't.  All we have is Bioware's recent history with changing direction in game series.  If that's a reliable guide, we'll be considering ourselves lucky if there's an inventory, much less loot. 

I'm Champion Hawke, and this is my favorite store in Kirkwall.

Importing removed - "Why isn't this like Mass Effect 2?!? The game is ruined by the change of direction!"

Voiced main character - "Why is this like Mass Effect 2?!? The game is ruined by the change of direction!"

Fan speculation on game changes is far from a reliable guide.

[LPPrince]

Ecael wrote...

Khavos wrote...

Ecael wrote...
And how do you know that there won't be tons of abilities, skills, spells, armor and weapons?

We don't.  All we have is Bioware's recent history with changing direction in game series.  If that's a reliable guide, we'll be considering ourselves lucky if there's an inventory, much less loot. 

I'm Champion Hawke, and this is my favorite store in Kirkwall.

Importing removed - "Why isn't this like Mass Effect 2?!? The game is ruined by the change of direction!"

Voiced main character - "Why is this like Mass Effect 2?!? The game is ruined by the change of direction!"

Fan speculation on game changes is far from a reliable guide.

*Ecael hangs up Truth Banner*

No, E. A little higher on the left.

[Khavos]

Ecael wrote...
Fan speculation on game changes is far from a reliable guide.

That works in both directions.  Asserting that Hawke is going to be the only fundamental change at this point has just as much weight as asserting that it won't be. 

My money's on the latter, though, simply because EA is EA. 

[Kaiser Shepard]

Ecael wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Ecael wrote...

TheSeeker2654 wrote...

I realize that you are just about making money.

Do you expect the BioWare developers to take you seriously after beginning your post with that sentence?

No one takes these threads seriously to begin with, sans the ones that write them.

Considering the forum activity from David Gaider, Mike Laidlaw and Mary Kirby, I'd say they do take some posts into account.

Meh, true enough.

[Majin Paul]

There has been absolutely no proof that this game is going to be "Casual".

[Khavos]

Majin Paul wrote...

There has been absolutely no proof that this game is going to be "Casual".

And no proof that it won't be. 

[Bryy_Miller]

Khavos wrote...

Majin Paul wrote...

There has been absolutely no proof that this game is going to be "Casual".

And no proof that it won't be. 

TheSeeker2654 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

And how do you know that there won't be tons of abilities, skills, spells, armor and weapons?

Honestly? I dont, but neither do you know for a fact that they HAVENT cut down on those things. 

Naysaying about something you have no knowledge of is not the same as staying positive because you know you don't know anything.

[Ecael]

Khavos wrote...

Ecael wrote...
Fan speculation on game changes is far from a reliable guide.

That works in both directions.  Asserting that Hawke is going to be the only fundamental change at this point has just as much weight as asserting that it won't be. 

My money's on the latter, though, simply because EA is EA.

And Electronic Arts does... what, exactly?

There's a difference between unjustified pessimism and unjustified optimism here, especially when the game before it (Dragon Age: Origins) was very well received, and especially when your only reason is that "Corporations ruin everything!".

[ozenglish]

wow... summary time.



Real Gamers: People who play games, and enjoy them for the worlds they create outside of this hellhole we dug ourselves into.



Progression: Something that needs to happen to improve ourselves. Games like Civilization have progressed continuously and have still kept the same base concepts (except 3 what was that all about?)



Change: Similar to progression, but sometimes forced upon the gamer to show them something other than that which they have become accustomed to.



Other: As for pen/paper to text base to graphic based, I still enjoy these to this day. Whilst I no longer play pen and paper games, I enjoy the memories they had of my childhood. The reason text games went so well, is that you actually had to be able to write a story. I and can safely assume that at least half of BioWares staff are probably hardcore D&D gamers and probably still play in whatever minimal time they have to themselves. Otherwise, games like DA, BG and KOTOR would not have come into existence.

[Marzillius]

I don't have many concerns about Dragon Age II, but that it's going casual is the largest among them.

[Lord Gremlin]

Rogue Unit wrote...

The "real" gamer is the one that shuts up and play the video game. Not the ones that argue about which platform is best.

You are adorable, sir. Absolutely true.


OP don't even realize that DAO have 4 difficulty settings. You can play it as a casual and very easy game, a challenging game, or a hardcore game.

[Khavos]

Ecael wrote...
And Electronic Arts does... what, exactly?

Lust after cash and intefere with the design studios they purchase.

There's a difference between unjustified pessimism and unjustified optimism here, especially when the game before it (Dragon Age: Origins) was very well received, and especially when your only reason is that "Corporations ruin everything!".

Except that's hardly my only reason, as I said.  DA:O isn't the only Bioware game I've played; DA isn't the only of Bioware's new IPs to receive a bit of a revamp mid-stream.  

Look, if you want to say a company's recent track record has absolutely no bearing on what they'll do next, that's fine.  I simply happen to think it does. 

[Kaiser Shepard]

Khavos wrote...

Ecael wrote...
And Electronic Arts does... what, exactly?

Lust after cash and intefere with the design studios they purchase.

And this is were all your previous arguments become meaningless.

[Khavos]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

And this is were all your previous arguments become meaningless.

Do we really need to rehash EA's track record?  They've gotten a lot better since Riccitiello took over, but if you think they don't manage their acquisitions, you're out of your mind.