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[MagickalMia]

Baldur's Gate was my first RPG. I still love to play it and Baldur's Gate 2, they're my favorite Bioware games.

[Kevin Lynch]

Mister Mida wrote...

Best RPG series ever made? I don't know, never played Baldur's Gate. I've played Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance once but I didn't find it interesting back then. Of course I was younger then.

Oof, in case no one mentioned it yet, BG:DA is not related to the PC BG games at all, nor made by BioWare.

We don't talk about BG:DA and we visciously club those that do.

Well, not really, but sometimes we think about it.

Modifié par Kevin Lynch, 13 juillet 2010 - 10:06 .

[Fizzeler]

Kevin Lynch wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Best RPG series ever made? I don't know, never played Baldur's Gate. I've played Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance once but I didn't find it interesting back then. Of course I was younger then.

Oof, in case no one mentioned it yet, BG:DA is not related to the PC BG games at all, nor made by BioWare.

We don't talk about BG:DA and we visciously club those that do.

Well, not really, but sometimes we think about it.

The main reason I am not picking it up

[HoonDing]

Personally I prefer Icewind Dale over Baldur's Gate. Much better dungeons & music in that game, and also some excellent voice acting (Tony Jay as Kresselack, IIRC).



Story is also amusing, with Crenshinibon popping up decades before Drizzt's birth.



Baldur's Gate 2, though, is much better than Icewind Dale 2.

[Dreadstruck]

Best CRPG ever for me? Heck yeah! BG introduced me to these kind of RPGs with companions who were simply more than a mere sword fodder or loot dropper. Now I can't really play other RPGs without thinking "damn, this one-man army exp grinding simply sucks. And is boring."

Also, the relationship system was something entirely new and almost unheard of. It was incredible, from the simple companions to the so called 'love interest'. It was all incredibly interesting, and to think this was only one facet of the gameplay. There were still quests, an epic storyline and classes to level. And I've only ever seen Bioware achieve this mix. Bethesda and Blizzard coming close, but not quite there.

[Luke Bioware]

Yeah. I remember the first time Aerie came on to me. I was like 'LOL WHUT' as a small boy :').

[CoM Solaufein]

It is the best series and they haven't come close to recapturing it.  

[Humanoid_Taifun]

Irrbloss wrote...
That's just awful. How did you get your square face H_T? I want one too.

To my knowledge you only get it if you never choose differently (just like the avatar-less state on the old forums).

[Son of Imoen]

Well, my signature says it all, doesn't it?



BTW, you get this funny square avatar by not choosing a photo at all - no photo on this forum could match my favourite scared boy from the old Bioware forums - no photo here depicts the Son of Imoen!

[PicklePepperPiper]

Oh, it's been so long since I've loaded up a BG game, and this jump to the social site has jarred somewhat... but definitely, BG is one of the greatest games of all time.



At the moment, I'm finding NWN's character building a little more fun - but that initial excitement will wear off soon and I'll come crawling back to BG, expecting a full pardon, and the game with all its graciousness will be only too happy to welcome me back with open arms



-PPP

[Guilebrush]

While the more modern Biogames have fancy bells and whistles, more robust character building (on some) and combat engines (on others) nothing I've experienced so far came close to capturing the same level of charm, polish and variety they were able to produce with the BG trilogy.



Combine the mind-blowing massive amount of content with a great story and all the little details and easter eggs they threw in and you get yourself an absolute winner. To this day BG is still one of my 10 favorite games ever and I have to say that it has aged a lot better than numerous, more recent entrants into the gaming sphere.



If you have some extra time on hand and haven't played this in a while, what are you doing reading the forums go and launch this bad boy up! You wont regret a second of it.

[Spjuv3rn]

Kinda sad that when i finally found my way to the original Bioware forums they close.
But maybe more people will find out about the Baldur's Gate series now.

Btw: Ofc its the best rpg series

Modifié par Spjuv3rn, 14 juillet 2010 - 10:01 .

[Ponce de Leon]

Well, strictly speaking, if you cast time stop, in in game time... a battle is much, much faster in Baldur's Gate

[Dreadstruck]

Acharnae wrote...

And the romance with morrigan is so screwed up.
Morrigan's romance stays with you in the way an amputated arm experience does.
Aerie romance stayed with you like plunging in a honey pot.

That's because Morrigan is more akin to Viconia than Aerie.
Ever tried to kiss a drow?

[G_Admiral_Thrawn]

I think Baldur's Gate is the best series (followed by the KotOR series), but Planescape Torment is a better game than Baldur's Gate (but not BG2).

NWN had the potential to be so good, but somehow it just didn't live up to it's promise. NWN 2 was better, but it still suffered some of the same flaws. I get the feel that the devs were stung over criticism over the "power-gaminess" of BG2 and deliberately toned NWN down. No Cloaks, Staves, or Shields of Cheese, one metamagic feat per spell, things like that.

My only real gripe about Bioware (and Obsidian) DnD games are they never implement level 10 spells correctly. I'm not sure how it works in second edition, but it third edition, Epic spells are cast like normal spells (only costing A LOT of XP to cast, and you actually have to research the spell, and based on Spellcraft ranks rather than level). but you also have level 10 spell slots. True, there are no level 10 spells (due to Myrstra's Ban), but you can use your level 10+ spell slots for metamagic'd level 1-9 spells.

[DaneWolf]

I LOOOOVE baldur's Gate!!! However Plane Scape Tourment wasn't bad either!!!

[G_Admiral_Thrawn]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Acharnae wrote...

And the romance with morrigan is so screwed up.
Morrigan's romance stays with you in the way an amputated arm experience does.
Aerie romance stayed with you like plunging in a honey pot.

That's because Morrigan is more akin to Viconia than Aerie.
Ever tried to kiss a drow?

Viconai's romance was cool, I've never tried Aerie's romance (mainly because she's just so lousy, 16 Wis and 16 int for a cleric/wizard?). Anomen is just as bad, even upgraded, he only has 16 wisdom.

Personally, if you look at it, the best characters (in SoA) are evil. Korgan is superior to Minsc (his closest "goodly" compeditor), Edwin is superior to all other mages (he not only has 18 INT, but an amulet that allows him to memorize an additional 2 spells per level) and the worst of the evil characters (stat wise), Viconia, who has 19 Wisdom, unlike Aerie or Anomen. The only complaint about he is her Str and Con. But with a Crom Fayer (or any other Str increasing item), she has a decent Str, leaving Con as a problem. If you use her as a caster cleric, she'll be perfect.

[Dreadstruck]

Err I was mainly comparing their personality, not skills. Morrigan could be Neutral Evil aligment as well.

But nice analogy. And what is your opinion on Jaheira by the way?

[Kolomir]

I've played the BG series through countless times. DA was cool and all, but I haven't felt much call to slog through it again. I know BG has been out much longer and given me more opportunity to replay it, but I can't see DA ever coming close to the number of plays BG has had from me.

[HoonDing]

I can't see why people complain about Aerie's wisdom. Viconia's 19 wisdom merely gives a bonus level 1 & level 4 divine spell. Yey.

As for her intelligence, you can upgrade it at least using the machine in Warden's Keep, and she becomes as good as Imoen.

The point is that the combination of arcane & divine spells turns her (eventually) into an unstoppable juggernaut. It's funny, even, how this conflicts with her rather meek & innocent personality.

Modifié par virumor, 14 juillet 2010 - 06:04 .

[Seagloom]

Kevin Lynch wrote...

Oof, in case no one mentioned it yet, BG:DA is not related to the PC BG games at all, nor made by BioWare.

We don't talk about BG:DA and we visciously club those that do.

Well, not really, but sometimes we think about it.

Amusingly enough Dark Alliance's manual references the Baldur's Gate PC games. Not that I own those games! Of course not!

On the subject of Baldur's Gate 1&2, what can I write that hasn't already been written time and again? Nothing I suspect. These games were incredible then and in my eyes hold up well now. Baldur's Gate 2 in particular is a role-playing game masterpiece by which I still measure other games against. It had everything I could have ever wanted in an RPG. Deep tactical combat, lots of classes and spells to tinker with, a great cast of characters and an amazing musical score. It didn't do everything flawlessly and there were aspects of it I felt could have been handled better, but when all is said and done it was a one of a kind game. An experience the likes of which I hadn't played through then or since. If ever BioWare had a game deserving of being recognized as its masterwork, SoA was it. (The rest was great too. )

[Humanoid_Taifun]

G_Admiral_Thrawn wrote...
Viconai's romance was cool, I've never tried Aerie's romance (mainly because she's just so lousy, 16 Wis and 16 int for a cleric/wizard?). Anomen is just as bad, even upgraded, he only has 16 wisdom.

Personally, if you look at it, the best characters (in SoA) are evil. Korgan is superior to Minsc (his closest "goodly" compeditor), Edwin is superior to all other mages (he not only has 18 INT, but an amulet that allows him to memorize an additional 2 spells per level) and the worst of the evil characters (stat wise), Viconia, who has 19 Wisdom, unlike Aerie or Anomen. The only complaint about he is her Str and Con. But with a Crom Fayer (or any other Str increasing item), she has a decent Str, leaving Con as a problem. If you use her as a caster cleric, she'll be perfect.

Firstly, intelligence doesn't mean as much as you seem to think it means. Yes it limits the numbers of spells you can scribe into your spell book (and determines the probability of successfully scribing these spells), but there are plenty of potions that can be used for these occasions, so that shouldn't limit anybody.

Secondly? Wisdom gives you additional spells, yes. But only Aerie (not Viconia) can speedcast cleric spells. Spellcasting reduced by 5 (~ 3 seconds) and the ability to put them into spell triggers and contingencies makes them vastly more useful in a quickpaced battle.
By the way, Viconia's wisdom is only 18, not 19.

Thirdly, powerwise the spell casters (not the bad guys) are at the top of the pyramid. Korgan may be able to put Mazzy down, but if Minsc is dressed properly, then Korgan's axes will only deal 15% damage. And that's just a level one cleric spell. Haer'Dalis (with no access to spells above level 6) won't take any damage at all from Korgan.
But I agree with you, with his additional spells Edwin does have an edge over other mages, and Viconia's MR is certainly not easily reproduced on the vanilla NPCs.

(yes, let's inaugurate the all new forums with an all new spam fest about powerlevels! )

Modifié par Humanoid_Taifun, 14 juillet 2010 - 07:26 .