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[MokahTGS]

I'm concerned that the NWN2 community is going to lose all of the forum topics that we have built over the years that many people were using as a cache of builder/game information.  Many of those topics, threads, and discussions CANNOT be lost as it will set the already struggling community back several years.

Please tell me you are going to archive these forum threads in some way.

[Snoteye]

BioWare has traditionally archived its fora, however, the last time they did this either the process failed or the archive was made inaccessible to users. Anything you want to keep you should move in case that happens again (and you should anyway to 1) keep information in one place, especially since you can edit posts indefinitely here, and 2) avoid relying on an archive that may or may not disappear in the future).

A week should be enough time to move the essential threads.

[Khayness]

Wow, huge forum merge!

[MokahTGS]

Yeah, this is not cool if the old forums are not going to be moved.

[Snoteye]

The old fora are not going to be moved. They are going to be closed. Anything you want to keep you must move over manually.

[Noir201]

I hope the topics can moved without too many problems, still to play NWN 1 and 2 proper, due to lack of time, but when i do, the great topics and info on the old forums should be kept for anyone who has yet to play these classic games

Modifié par Noir201, 13 juillet 2010 - 06:13 .

[MokahTGS]

Physically moving the forums is going to be impossible via cut and paste.  There are years of useful builder wisdom on those forums.  Hopefully someone can figure out a better way to save the forum information.

[c i p h e r]

Snoteye, are you suggesting that the community copy and paste forums that contain years worth of information? There's just no way that's going to happen. Is this the *official* Bioware position?



If Bioware is unwilling to move those posts over from the old forums to the new forums - and I don't see why they wouldn't want to since the entire community is built around that content - at the very least, can we get an archive (table dump) of all posts, which can then be parsed out and hosted elsewhere by members of the community? User information isn't essential, but the content surely is.



Thanks!

[Dorateen]

First they came for our six-person, player created parties.
Then they came for our character, with their "pre-generated" fully voiced protagonist.
Then they came for our forums...

Harumph!

[Leinadi]

This is why we should use Edinmoor to fight the power!

[Selene Moonsong]

There is about 3.5 years worth of NWN 2 topics on the legacy forums. Unfortunately, it is my understanding that the topics for those forums could not be converted over to the BioWare Social Forums, which leaves only 'cut and paste' as the only option. I am hoping that any links Community Members create here to the legacy site will survive the archiving process.

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 13 juillet 2010 - 06:52 .

[Dorateen]

Leinadi wrote...

This is why we should use Edinmoor to fight the power!

Hah! I will use that when I reopen the thread in the new module forums.

And I want me old portrait back.

[Snoteye]

ç i p h é r wrote...

Snoteye, are you suggesting that the community copy and paste forums that contain years worth of information?

Well, yes; but I'm not an idiot, I realise that's an impossible task. However, I do believe it worth the trouble for certain stickies, mainly the more static ones. It is BioWare's official position only to the extent that the old threads simply won't be migrated (or they would have already been), it is not like they want to throw it all out.

ç i p h é r wrote...

... at the very least, can we get an archive (table dump) of all posts, which can then be parsed out and hosted elsewhere by members of the community? User information isn't essential, but the content surely is.

You should maybe ask in the site help forum and hope for an official answer to this question. I expect that they will attempt to archive the fora.

Selene Moonsong wrote...

I am hoping that any links Community Members create here to the legacy site will survive the archiving process.

A better question is actually whether hotlinks to any legacy thread will redirect to the BSN forum index, as with the ME and DA:O fora.

[kamalpoe]

I have to say social is really lacking in some basic stuff. In the profile you can select your interest so the forums will show you the most interesting stuff. Not only can you not select NWN/NWN2, you can't even select Mass Effect? (not that I play ME, but that certainly seems like it should be a choice. There's no way to see only NWN/NWN2 only (or ME only for that matter) forums, so I have to scroll past a bunch of other stuff.

Bringing over all the portraits would seem trivial as well, I kind of like this new one though. My sig's gone too, another one that would have seemed trivial.

Modifié par kamalpoe, 13 juillet 2010 - 07:02 .

[Khayness]

Maybe they will add the option to register earlier games aswell, who knows.

[MokahTGS]

Yeah...That's a good pic for you Kam.

So far all I've heard is:

1) Bioware has little intention of moving forums threads and we (the community) have a week to do an impossible task.

2) Bioware's Social site has little to no tools for the NWN/NWN2 specific communities, of which there are hundreds to thousands of community members.

:unsure::unsure:

[kamalpoe]

Ok, you can't click from the main forums to get only a specific game, but you can from a thread by clicking your game next to Forum Home >>  $game_name . Errrr....

I understand they want to move everything to social, and that's their right and I have no problem with it. But the social forum software needs some work on some things any forum should have.

Importing the old stuff would be on the top of my list. So much info there.

[Chris Priestly]

Sadly, there is no way to directly transfer the threads from the legacy forum to the current Social site forums.

We will be archiving the legacy site so the information will not be lost, but we will be relying on our fans to copy/paste the threads/info they want to these forums.

Handy tip, if you are going to cut and paste, use something liek notepad as an intermediary format change to avoid badness in the process.

[Onyx Jaguar]

This is unexpected

[c i p h e r]

[quote]Snoteye wrote...

It is BioWare's official position only to the extent that the old threads simply won't be migrated (or they would have already been), it is not like they want to throw it all out.[/quote]

If they can't move the posts, what will the purpose of this forum be? I think the primary value of the old forums was in the knowledge it had archived over the years, for players and for builders alike. Even now, I frequently use the search feature, as I'm sure many others do. It was the NWN2 reference manual.

If that's gone, what anchors the community here? Why bother starting from scratch at all?

Furthermore, if we lose that content, intentionally or no, everyone will once again be forced to work through every problem that had previously been solved. I'm afraid I just don't see a majority of people reinvesting that kind of time for an old game. Intuitively, this kind of restart can only accelerate the demise of the game and the NWN2 community.

[quote]Snoteye wrote...

... at the very least, can we get an archive (table dump) of all posts, which can then be parsed out and hosted elsewhere by members of the community? User information isn't essential, but the content surely is.[/quote]You should maybe ask in the site help forum and hope for an official answer to this question. I expect that they will attempt to archive the fora.[/quote]

Will do. Thanks for the tip. I'll cross my fingers.

[c i p h e r]

Chris, will this archive be searchable or downloadable? Will the community have access to the data? If so, where/how can we obtain it?



Some details would be greatly appreciated!

[Shallina]

Is it possible to have a transfert off all the post to here ? That would be awesome. I'am always for a more powerfull tool Also, for scripter and modder, having powerfull tools to search inside post is really helpfull.

Does the new forum will have an upgrade for it's search tools ?

Modifié par Shallina, 13 juillet 2010 - 09:52 .

[AndarianTD]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We will be archiving the legacy site so the information will not be lost, but we will be relying on our fans to copy/paste the threads/info they want to these forums.

If the information in the legacy forums will continue to exist and be accessible in a read-only format then this should be a minor inconvenience at most. In fact I'd think it could be handled by starting a thread on the new social site with a link in the first message to the prior thread. New responses could be made to the new site, and folks could refer to information in the old site for reference.

If the plan is to eventually take down the old site entirely at some point, though, then we'll have to start migrating the information over to the new forums as you suggest. As long as there's plenty of warning time before the old forums shut down, that should be manageable.

Modifié par AndarianTD, 13 juillet 2010 - 10:08 .

[c i p h e r]

Chris' post said the old forums shut down on July 19.

[Tooneyman]

I'm still glad I have the game and now that I know its part of Biowares I can post on here now. I mean yes they have to create new ones, but it seems Bioware has claimed this game. I wasn't sure sense I thought Obsidian was the one who owned it. Mostly.