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[thebrah]

andar91 wrote...

I have a hard time believing that the combat is going to change THAT much. People keep cracking jokes (and complaints) by calling DA2 a hack-n-slash game. The guys on the GI podcast specifically explain that when they saw the game (they saw it on consoles) moves were still moves. I believe they use flurry for an example and go on to say (paraphrase), "Flurry is still one move, you press flurry and the character does it. You aren't hitting attack, attack, jump, attack." Or something like that. They go on to explain that it's just much smoother and responsive. That alone tells me combat will probably remain the same in a big way. If we had to use combos by hitting a couple buttons in succession, then THAT would be a big change.

gi sucks balls dude. combat will most definitely be hack and slash. it's not even a guess, it's really obvious.

[joriandrake]

Isaac shepard wrote...

f*** the pc consoles are the future get used to it.

is there no law against threadomancer trolls? :happy:

[Haexpane]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

facialstrokage wrote...

I'd rather have the DAO combat system than Oblivion. Uhhhh, it makes my head spin!!!

With mods (175 of them) Oblivion and it's combat can actually be  quite fun. Without them, yea, the game total balls. People seem to have  mistaken quantity for quality.

I played some Oblivion a few days ago, it's amazing how much better Morrowind is in every way except graphics, map and questlog.

Never really understood what they were aiming for in Oblivion, it doesn't play like a Hack and Slash, and the scaling ruins the RPG elements.

[Haexpane]

langelog wrote...

Winzzy wrote...

Guns wrote...

I can honestly say Dragon Age had the worst combat system out of any rpg I've ever played. It was like trying to play KotOR like Fable. Speaking of KotOR, I hope that's what they change the combat to.

You have seriously not played enough RPGs then...  There used to be tons of them back in the day, you should go find some old ones for better perspective on your comments.

I never liked having to take turns hitting eachother in old RPG's, like Breath of Fire, Chrono Trigger, Gauntlet, FF, and many others. Also in most of those all the bosses were ridiculously difficult to defeat without a ton of heals and a perfect strategy from the start, granted I've never been the best at RPG's, but I know when something is flawed. I'm suppose to allow this God of a boss to hit me with his one hit kill attack and I can't even fight back because we are taking turns attacking wtf?Old RPG's blew.

Chrono Trigger isn't that hard, and it's one of the highest rated RPGs of all time.  To say Chrono Trigger "blew" is like saying the Beatles or Led Zeppelin sucked.  It's factually wrong.

[Senzen Sumnor]

lol, joke topic.

[Kandid001]

Isaac shepard wrote...

f*** the pc consoles are the future get used to it.

Modifié par Kandid001, 10 août 2010 - 07:16 .

[izmirtheastarach]

I like video games. I own a decent gaming PC and an Xbox 360. I see no reason to crap on either. Some game are better on one, some on the other. It's really that simple.

[Fraq Hound]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I like video games. I own a decent gaming PC and an Xbox 360. I see no reason to crap on either. Some game are better on one, some on the other. It's really that simple.

This.

You can't hate on Bioware for going where the money is. More people play games on Consoles nowadays; Then factor in all the pirating that takes place on the PC, it's not rocket science.

The first couple pages of this thread just makes you PC fanatics look like bitter A-holes and it's hard to sympathize with a bitter A-hole. Also it's made this thread pointless.

Dev's aren't gonna waste their time with console vs PC argument threads.

[UndercoverDoctor]

PC elitists are very annoying people who add nothing to discussion.

[Solid N7]

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

PC elitists are very annoying people who add nothing to discussion.

True

[Solid N7]

Spear-Thrower wrote...

langelog wrote...
I never liked having to take turns hitting eachother in old RPG's, like Breath of Fire, Chrono Trigger, Gauntlet, FF, and many others. Also in most of those all the bosses were ridiculously difficult to defeat without a ton of heals and a perfect strategy from the start, granted I've never been the best at RPG's, but I know when something is flawed. I'm suppose to allow this God of a boss to hit me with his one hit kill attack and I can't even fight back because we are taking turns attacking wtf?Old RPG's blew.

Turn-based combat was very common in the SNES era, but there were several real-time RPGs. Secret of Mana (Seiken Densetsu 3 especially) is all action. Bosses being difficult to defeat is a design choice, not because "old RPGs blew" or taking turns in battle.

It's mostly optional bosses that are godly - like Emerald and Ruby weapon. Still beatable though... Sephiroth is a pushover.

Hitoshura in Digital Devil Saga puts them all to shame. Now that guy is hard. Maybe the toughest (optional) boss ever.

In RPG you don´t need skiil the only thing  you need to be good is to grind.

[haberman13]

Solid N7 wrote...

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

PC elitists are very annoying people who add nothing to discussion.

True

Solid N7 wrote...
Console failures are jackasses who add nothing to the discussion

True

[andar91]

C'mon folks, this could be a decent discussion. Do we really have to turn it into a console war? It's a waste of time.

[Marionetten]

andar91 wrote...

C'mon folks, this could be a decent discussion.

No, it really couldn't. Surprised it's been left open for this long.

[shai-hulud-lama]

back to topic: i didn't enjoy the combat system in DA:O . it was very repetitive and too slow.

[B3taMaxxx]

Solid N7 wrote...
In RPG you don´t need skiil the only thing  you need to be good is to grind.

 Skill is a loaded term that can be qualified in many ways. Some RPGs, as with any other genre, require varying degrees of skill. Typically, in a RPG having a greater degree of skillfully planned strategy will result in better stats and less grinding.

[Fangirl17]

After increasing the difficulty level I have decided to revise my opinion of the combat system. I kinda agreed with the OP in my earlier post,saying that it was boring and that I hate micromanaging people,but now I find it quite fun ^^ I might even go up another difficulty level.

[KJandrew]

I didn't mind the combat in origins but i think a combat system like Assassin's creed would be quite good in Dragon age, you can't just button mash it and you don't have to stab someone 12 times before they die

[Haexpane]

KJandrew wrote...

  Assassin's creed 

AC combat is ridiculously boring and easy.  The "RPG" elements of that game remind me of ME2, totally pointless and don't change the game at all.

AC IMO is more of a Skateboarding game without a skateboard.  The best mechanic in the game is the roof running, you find a line, and run it.  Which is exactly what Tony Hawk games used to be like when they were good.

THe rest of AC I feel is just tacked on filler.  

[Hell Mutant]

I play games on PC and PS3 and I find the DAO PS3 combat to be fun, tactical (to an extent) and challenging. You have to bump up the difficulty to Nightmare, but trust me, there are some very challenging battles where you have to be tactical and come up with a strategy (as long as you aren't cheating), especially early on.



When holding DAO up to "old school" RPGs, I find DAO combat to be a nice mixture of action and turn based strategy. I just can't help but feel that people that complain about DAO's combat just haven't played it enough to understand it (or just don't like RPGs).

[MonkeyKaboom]

the_one_54321 wrote...
There is nothing wrong with the combat in DA:O. It's challenging, thoughtful, all encompassing, and exciting.

Except that the combat was none of these.....

[Bryy_Miller]

Isaac shepard wrote...

f*** the pc consoles are the future get used to it.

How so? Consoles are a completely horrible interface for anything other than gaming. 

[MonkeyKaboom]

I fail to see how anyone can possibly think DA as being tactical. It required absolutely no thought process in the least. There is nothing at all engaging about running around a circle room with an ogre chasing you while a retarded AI has the 3 other rejects whittling it down with their swords hopefully before it charge stomps you into nothingness.

Want to make DA tactical?  Throw in more barriers; columns in buildings, trees and boulders outside, that must be navigated around and can be used to deflect or obstruct enemy attacks. Throw in alternating levels of terrain and actually make it matter. Attacking from higher ground should yield more damage to the target. Make it at a level that will significantly alter the outcome of battle so people don't just faceroll through it anyways. Throw in mud and marshland that penalizes heavy armor wearers. Add in structure points to the battlegrounds that can be exploited. A fireball or explosive trap to trigger a rock slide on enemies, ice spells to temporarily freeze over areas of water to allow for flanking or sneak attacks and such. Let us grease bomb a frozen lake to control enemies as they rush over and fireblast it to set up a grease fire as they're floundering to their feet only to have the ice melt beneath them. Then throw up a blizzard over the hole to seal it so they slowly die under a sheet of ice staring at your feet from below as you go on your marry way. Just keep it limited to things that won't effect your ability to progress through a zone. Let us spring trap or mind blast baddies off a bridge....

That's using tactics.

Modifié par MonkeyKaboom, 10 août 2010 - 10:34 .

[Hell Mutant]

MonkeyKaboom wrote...

I fail to see how anyone can possibly think DA as being tactical. It required absolutely no thought process in the least. There is nothing at all engaging about running around a circle room with an ogre chasing you while a retarded AI has the 3 other rejects whittling it down with their swords hopefully before it charge stomps you into nothingness.
 

honestly, that's your fault for kiting to get through a battle.