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[_six]

It seems a little redundant to mention a specific CC item if you're taking away their own established seperate board. No need to dilute the general CC fare by taking away a project-specific board, IMO.

Not making a point about any group here, it just seems silly to combine two boards that had radically different purposes and readerships on the previous forums.

Modifié par _six, 13 juillet 2010 - 07:24 .

[Hel]

Not the first topic I had in mind, but it will do.

As for this forum, time to baptize it with a topic about your Wild Woods tileset, hm?

[_six]

Helekanalaith wrote...

Not the first topic I had in mind, but it will do.

As for this forum, time to baptize it with a topic about your Wild Woods tileset, hm?

Now if only I had anything new to post in such a topic...

Is it me, or does it take like 30 seconds for any post or update to a post to actually appear on these boards?

[Chris Priestly]

I incuded it in the title so fans from the legacy boards would know where to find the discussion on these boards.

[Barry_1066]

CEP posts will start showing here as we try and rebuild the wealth of material from the site going down.

[_six]

Barry_1066 wrote...

CEP posts will start showing here as we try and rebuild the wealth of material from the site going down.

Make sure you mark out threads that are CEP related in the title as there's otherwise not going to be any way to tell if the social forums catch on with existing NWN folks.

Modifié par _six, 13 juillet 2010 - 10:10 .

[B_Harrison]

Good thinking, six...

Personally I'd have combined the original & expansion campaign forums into one, and either given the CEP a specific forum, or none at all (since CEP discussion can cover toolset, scripting, and possibly others in addition to custom content).

It'd save BioWare space (and bandwidth?), at least.

Modifié par B_Harrison, 13 juillet 2010 - 10:20 .

[Tarot Redhand]

The obvious place for CEP would be on a project page but guess what - the only nwn category is for modules.



TR

[ChaosInTwilight]

That's actually rather annoying. Good catch TR.

It should have at least "CC group" and I'd think "Game Campaign" IMO. I for one think the latter could be used to "Fake" NWConnection style campaigns and the like, and give more incentive to use the social site for well.. the social part of the game.

Probably wouldn't hurt to have Persistent World's separate from modules as well, as their pretty different beasts.

Edit: Groups and Projects are both gonna need soem expanding if you want the NWN crew to make use of these.

I'll propose for Group categories:
NWN - Module Team
NWN - Content Team
NWN - User Campaign
NWN - Persistent World Staff

Projects is harder.
NWN - Module
NWN - World
NWN - Campaign
NWN - Addon         (I'm marketing this as a general catch all for .hak's)
NWN - Other

Bound to be missing things, but I think that would cover enough to get the ball rolling 'eh?

Modifié par ChaosInTwilight, 14 juillet 2010 - 05:26 .

[ShadowM]

I agree with you six , hope they make some modifications

[Jez_fr]

I agree with _six too. I don't want to see the Custom Content forum drowned under myriads of CEP technical support questions that have nothing to do with CC.



Is it that hard to make a CEP category like in old bioboard? 10 seconds operation, c'mon...

[Shadooow]

yea please split it.

[SuperFly_2000]

I sent a PM to one of the moderators if it was possible to have CEP in its separate section. Let's see what he answers.



I dont think it is impossible to have it this way though. I think we can get used to it actually/maybe.



I just hope people are so correct as to write in the subject that it is about CEP.



Many times you unfortunately get forum threads with subjects like "Look at this" instead of anything relevant part of which it consists...in that case it doesn't even help to have a well structured forum in the first case...

[TymeSage]

possible stupid question ahead: will any topics be transferred directly?

[chico400]

I think too that a specific CEP section would be cool, cep is the greatest pack for nwn, and it have to keep a special section



@tymeSage: no sorry, i understood that no topics will be grab from the old NWN forum

[_six]

Well assuming the current setup isn't going to change if I was running CEP I'd be setting up a sticky pointing users to CEP's own existing seperate forums where they'd be more in control and not have to sift through non-CEP-related posts (and which would free up this category for people who need assistance in their content creation efforts). That might even help centralize CEP's posting and save them work compared to their current setup with the two seperate forums - though obviously that solution gives them less visibility than they got from Bioware's promotion in the past.

Modifié par _six, 14 juillet 2010 - 05:38 .

[Jenna WSI]

I vote for CEP to have it's own forum section.

[SHOVA]

I vote for CEP to have its own sticky here in this section, but not to have its own section. CEP is community made content. Yes it is a great package that lots use, but it is still at the end of the day, after everyone has gone to bed, community made content.

[420]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I incuded it in the title so fans from the legacy boards would know where to find the discussion on these boards.

Thanks Chris!

-420

[Kephisto]

Barry_1066 wrote...

CEP posts will start showing here as we try and rebuild the wealth of material from the site going down.

Hey, warm greetings to Barry_1066, 420, and the CEP Team! Likewise to fellow members of the community!

I've posted news in the legacy forums and perhaps its relevant here. nwn.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html

** begin post

As you read this I’m backing up the Neverwinter Nights forums. All of them. Every post of every topic in every forum. Naturally, there’s good and bad news as to how I’m doing it. 

The good : So far 8,000 topics and most of the postings in them are already saved. 

The bad : That leaves something like 90,146 topics to go.

Due to the way BioWare’s forums work I can’t just back up one forum at a time then move on to the next. The process also creates errors every several hundred topics or so, which means out of a topic’s multi page discussion one or two pages might link to another topic entirely. That might change once the process is complete.

For instance, the backup for “Sticky : Community Expansion Pack Support and FAQ” is 11 pages long with 161 replies, but pages 5 and 8 don’t link properly. The rest of that topic work fine. In theory that’s close to an 80% retention of the original topic. I hope even with such errors that’s far better than losing the entire topic.

The process creates a separate html file of each forum page, which means once the process is complete just about anyone can take all the files to any topic and upload them to a website. For the most part they’ll look just like the originals - minus the black background and a few icons or two.

We can also take the html pages of each forum page, which lists several topics at a time, so at a glance we can see the various topics and see how many views and replies they had in relation to others. Since they're html files we can also edit these at will, perhaps even combining related topics even if the original ones were spread across several forums.

With luck everything should be backed up by Monday.

** end post

Modifié par Kephisto, 15 juillet 2010 - 06:25 .

[pkpeachykeen]

Kephisto wrote...

As you read this I’m backing up the Neverwinter Nights forums. All of them. Every post of every topic in every forum. Naturally, there’s good and bad news as to how I’m doing it. 

The good : So far 8,000 topics and most of the postings in them are already saved. 

The bad : That leaves something like 90,146 topics to go.

That explains why mine is going so slow.
I'm doing the same thing, roughly 16,000 pages of posts backed up at the moment and 200 reparsed in a generic XML schema, for quick import into any CMS or database system.
Still working on my BioBoard to XML parser and the IRC-bot frontend for that, but the mirror is building nicely.

Any chance for some coop on this? No reason to both be building mirrors of the same thing. If you were to focus on mirroring it, I could focus on parsing it into a searchable database, for example. Dunno, but it would probably be better to work together instead of doing the same thing twice.

[chico400]

he my friend peachy ! nice to see you here, this forum is better because now your are in the place

[Kephisto]

pkpeachykeen wrote...

That explains why mine is going so slow.
I'm doing the same thing, roughly 16,000 pages of posts backed up at the moment and 200 reparsed in a generic XML schema, for quick import into any CMS or database system.
Still working on my BioBoard to XML parser and the IRC-bot frontend for that, but the mirror is building nicely.

Any chance for some coop on this? No reason to both be building mirrors of the same thing. If you were to focus on mirroring it, I could focus on parsing it into a searchable database, for example. Dunno, but it would probably be better to work together instead of doing the same thing twice.

That’s great news, pkpeachykeen.

Your process is more advanced than mine. I’m up for cooperating on this but unfortunately the way I’m doing it is really basic. I’m just downloading the entire forum directory, so one moment its gathering topics from the Scripting forums, the next its backing up the Server Admin topics, then switches to CEP then to General Discussion, etc.. I can’t really control it.


The Neverwinter Nights forums are massive. So far I have 4.43 GB of data and I’m guessing there’s another 15 GB or so to go. It wouldn’t surprise me if it was another 50 GB. So its probably a good thing that both of us are working on it separately because your process might back up topics I haven’t and vice versa.


At the moment I’m at 33,514 downloaded pages and the counter estimates 125,733 to go. I’ve noticed many topics have navigational phrases and instructions in another language, so it seems I’m backing up topics multiple times, one in English and again in other languages. So just how big this project turns out to be is anyone’s guess.

Here’s hoping we finish before the deadline. 

Modifié par Kephisto, 15 juillet 2010 - 10:08 .

[pkpeachykeen]

Kephisto wrote...

That’s great news, pkpeachykeen.

Your process is more advanced than mine. I’m up for cooperating on this but unfortunately the way I’m doing it is really basic. I’m just downloading the entire forum directory, so one moment its gathering topics from the Scripting forums, the next its backing up the Server Admin topics, then switches to CEP then to General Discussion, etc.. I can’t really control it.

Same here, I'm using WinHTTrack to spider and mirror it. So far it's going well, if slowly. I haven't gotten to many more pages done, it keeps hanging on random ones. I have around 3 gigs of data down now, no sure how many topics that is.

At the moment I’m at 33,514 downloaded pages and the counter estimates 125,733 to go. I’ve noticed many topics have navigational phrases and instructions in another language, so it seems I’m backing up topics multiple times, one in English and again in other languages. So just how big this project turns out to be is anyone’s guess.

Here’s hoping we finish before the deadline. 

I noticed the same thing. Luckily, the classes/HTML code is the same.

I've been playing with this for most of today, and I put together a basic C# application that links an HTML and XML parser. I've been able to, with almost a 98% success rate at the moment, parse the pages I'm downloading. Been testing with a small set (137 random pages), and I've been able to parse all of the successfully at the moment.

It's not terribly smart, but it should be able to coalesce topics into a single XML file (it uses a CRC32 checksum of the topic's title to generate the filename, so pages with the same topic title should generate the same pagename).

It takes the page, pulls the title, then goes through the body and copies out each post, including author, body text and signature. All are put in a basic XML file using the following schema:

    thread title 
   
      
           me 
           post text! 
           This is a biomirror page 
       
   

I then whipped up an XSL stylesheet and linked them. It's currently able to parse Bioboards pages (as saved from any browser or most spiders) into something like this:

http://cx029a.dnsdoj..._1118418858.xml
http://cx029a.dnsdoj...c_874755937.xml
http://cx029a.dnsdoj..._2789098980.xml

It's not pretty or smart, and needs some work, but it is relatively fast (can go through a hundred pages in a few seconds) and spits out that. If you take a look at the source, it's really simple to read and you could parse it with PHP, Java or C# and stuff it into any kind of database in a few minutes.

Modifié par pkpeachykeen, 15 juillet 2010 - 11:54 .