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[Siansonea]

The Illusive Man tells you that in addition to the Derelict Reaper, Cerberus had also located the weapon that killed it, the weapon that glanced off the planet Klendagon and created the Great Rift. He says the weapon is defunct, and after 37 million years I'd say he's probably not lying, but do you think that an 'autopsy' of this weapon is the key to building a weapon to stop the Reapers?

I'm very curious about the race that created the weapon, and how they knew they needed the weapon in the first place, given the Reapers surprise attack modus operandi. I'm wondering if any of it will be addressed in ME3.

I'm sure this has probably been discussed already, but I couldn't find an active topic about it.

[AntiChri5]

I so hope i get to fire a reverse engineered clone of it.



Seriously, replay ME 1, you get to drive around on a moon of Klengadon and if you look up you get a really great view of the rift.

[Siansonea]

Yeah, too bad the planet scanning texture of Klendagon in ME2 is just a generic texture, and doesn't have the rift. Of course the ME1 texture for Klendagon is actually a real image of Mars, the side showing the Valles Marineris.

[AntiChri5]

Here it is:

[Netzach]

They ke to stop the reapers is Shepard, Commander.

Modifié par kanuvis, 13 juillet 2010 - 10:09 .

[jklinders]

It didn't save the race that made it. Somehow I don't see a big phallic type superweapon being the key here.

[Dougy Phresh]

The "superweapon" is just a giant Mass Accelerater. So all you need to do is make a really big sniper rifle. I don't see it being that epic to fire a huge gun. So I bet we wont see it.

[Siansonea]

Well, we know we're not going to stop the Reapers with a computer virus á la Independence Day, and we're not going to be able to 'parley' with them, so that leaves few options. And all of those options require blowing the Reapers to bits. Currently it's proven rather difficult to blow Reapers to bits, so that tells me that an advancement in to-bits-blowing technology is necessary to have a chance against them. Currently, the Klendagon weapon shows the most promise in achieving such technology, coupled with what we've learned from the Derelict Reaper and the Collector Station. If the other species can be persuaded to help construct such weapons in great enough numbers, then the Reapers would be vulnerable.

The only other thing I can think of would be some sort of IFF system that can be implemented at ALL Mass Relays, that would shunt incoming Reapers into a nearby star instead of the vicinity of the relay itself. I'm sure the inside of a star would be a rather inhospitable environment for a Reaper.

Another conspicuous plot thread from ME2 is Haestrom's star Dholen. The abnormal dark energy buildup within the star will probably be a plot point in ME3, otherwise it is an enormous red herring. I have no doubt that the phenomenon is the work of the Reapers, or unlocking the secret will somehow play a role in stopping the Reapers.

[TheScientist]

No, it's not the key.

It may as well have been made by Krogan scientists, because it was just
a big gun that was only good for taking down one
opponent. It's not like the Reaper armada will line up waiting for you to shoot them one by one until you win.

According to Vigil, the Reaper "harvest" took centuries, so I'm sure there was time to make the weapon after the attack started, as long as the location was isolated - even Reapers cant be everywhere at once. Or, perhaps the derelict was a vanguard like ole' Sovereign. Perhaps the ancient aliens thought there was only one Reaper or thought they could stem the flow if they took it out before it opened the Citadel. Yet they somehow failed even after the vanguard was destroyed... just as Harbinger said, they will find another way.

[santaclausemoreau]

If it was the key. Why couldn't the race that built it stop the reapers?

[AntiChri5]

santaclausemoreau wrote...

If it was the key. Why couldn't the race that built it stop the reapers?

Indoctrination.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Somebody built the Death Star.

Actually a Death Star sounds like a pretty good solution to the whole reaper problem.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 13 juillet 2010 - 10:47 .

[SandTrout]

Creating massive dreadnought-killing planet-side weapons is not out of the question, though it seems rather inefficient compared to space born weapons which can be brought to bare where needed, rather than a stationary defense. Dreadnoughts are already essentially giant MA guns with engines and support systems. Also, we have been making advances in weapons tech since the end of ME1, notably the Javelin systems and Thanix Cannon, which both greatly increase the available firepower of a flotilla of frigates to the equivalent level of a dreadnought. It will still take multiple frigates to achieve that level of power, but frigates are far cheaper to produce and I believe they would be more efficient to produce than dreadnoughts.

The Dark Energy references no doubt are alluding to a major plot point in ME3, but we are still in the dark as to what its significance really is.

[Nerevar-as]

Just hope it is not tricking them into a system 1 minute before the star goes nova.

To the OP: it didn´t help those poor guys millions of years ago.

[angj57]

I'm very curious about the race that created the weapon, and how they knew they needed the weapon in the first place, given the Reapers surprise attack modus operandi. I'm wondering if any of it will be addressed in ME3.

I'm guessing they just built the weapon just to fight their own enemies or each other. Just because they had a big gun that was semi-effective against the Reapers doesn't mean that they prepared it with the intent of fighting the Reapers.

[jklinders]

angj57 wrote...

I'm very curious about the race that created the weapon, and how they knew they needed the weapon in the first place, given the Reapers surprise attack modus operandi. I'm wondering if any of it will be addressed in ME3.

I'm guessing they just built the weapon just to fight their own enemies or each other. Just because they had a big gun that was semi-effective against the Reapers doesn't mean that they prepared it with the intent of fighting the Reapers.

For all we know it was built for no other reason than to explore how powerful they could make a mass driver. A ground based weapon like that is not very practical. So it is my thinking it was origonally built for some scientific endeavor.

[Sajuro]

kanuvis wrote...

They ke to stop the reapers is Shepard, Commander.

no, it's the power of FRIENDSHIP! the only reason the reapers are still around is because that is so ****ing retarded no one ever tried it.

[Sajuro]

jklinders wrote...

angj57 wrote...

I'm very curious about the race that created the weapon, and how they knew they needed the weapon in the first place, given the Reapers surprise attack modus operandi. I'm wondering if any of it will be addressed in ME3.

I'm guessing they just built the weapon just to fight their own enemies or each other. Just because they had a big gun that was semi-effective against the Reapers doesn't mean that they prepared it with the intent of fighting the Reapers.

For all we know it was built for no other reason than to explore how powerful they could make a mass driver. A ground based weapon like that is not very practical. So it is my thinking it was origonally built for some scientific endeavor.

Shooting shifty looking cows from other planets so the little bastards wouldn't take their money

[voteDC]

I still believe the solution to the Reaper threat is on the planet Klencory.

In the codex of Mass Effect 1 it says how a volus had a vision and is trying to find the Beings of Light, who were created at the dawn of time to fight 'synthetic machine devils.'

[Spinotech]

I am wondering if they were the first race to fall to the reapers. If the Reapers were supposedly responsible for the Mass Relays, then the superweapon that left the scar on Klendagon and disabled the Reaper was very powerful.

The question should be whether or not races wiped out after 37 million years ago had similar technology. If not, the race responsible for the superweapon could potentially be as old if not older than the reapers because remember the technology is supposed to develop along the path the Reapers desire and the Reapers would not want technology/weaponry that could threaten them.

Modifié par Spinotech, 14 juillet 2010 - 01:30 .

[Alexein]

jklinders wrote...

angj57 wrote...

I'm very curious about the race that created the weapon, and how they knew they needed the weapon in the first place, given the Reapers surprise attack modus operandi. I'm wondering if any of it will be addressed in ME3.

I'm guessing they just built the weapon just to fight their own enemies or each other. Just because they had a big gun that was semi-effective against the Reapers doesn't mean that they prepared it with the intent of fighting the Reapers.

For all we know it was built for no other reason than to explore how powerful they could make a mass driver. A ground based weapon like that is not very practical. So it is my thinking it was origonally built for some scientific endeavor.

Yeah i agree with the non-reaper intention of building mass driver. It could have been a planetary assault weapon. Rather than take out ships, it was designed to obliterate civilizations. That gash on Klendagon is bigger than the crater of the asteroid that took out the dinosaurs. Maybe the mass driver for actually taking out asteroids threatening the planet. Maybe if the planet was constantly pelted with asteroids the inhabitants decided a mass driver was a more efficient diversion method than sending up disgustingly large nukes.

As for a scientific endeavor, that also holds weight. A really big mass accelerator would be a good start to building a Dyson sphere. Certainly the level of technology to build a Dyson sphere would have attracted Reaper attention. An alternative possibility is planetary engineering. The mass  driver might have been used to transfer water and other materials to other planets to terraform them. MUCH more efficient than sending endless streams of cargo ships.

A really wacky idea, but scientifically plausible, is to move the planet the mass accelerator is on. Newtons law dictates that for every action there is an equal an opposite reaction. Firing the mass accelerator in one direction would push the planet in the other. The push would be VERY small but if fired enough times, the orbit of the planet could be gradually changed.

Maybe the klendagon sun was also undergoing dark energy build-up and the races thought that instead of moving off the planet they would simply move their planet further away from the sun and compensate for increased solar output.

To push something as heavy as a planet would require the firing the projectiles at EXTREME speed.... apparently reaper killing speed.

[Siansonea]

Well, all we know for certain is that the weapon is 37 million years old, that it was fired at least once, that it glanced off of Klendagon, and that it hit and killed a Reaper. It had to have been used by a race that wanted to kill Reapers—unless it was used by another Reaper. Everything else is just speculation, but interesting speculation nonetheless. I am very curious whether this will be addressed in ME3.

The Reapers are not eternal, for one simple reason: Time isn't eternal. Time, or rather space/time, began with the Big Bang, and will end when the universe dies from Heat Death or the Big Rip or by any number of other theories regarding the ultimate fate of the universe.

Presumably the Reapers have only come about within the last few billion years, perhaps as recently as 37 million years ago. The civilization that created the Reapers had to have come about from 'second generation' stars, first-generation star systems would lack elements heavier than iron, and I sincerely doubt that complex biochemistry that could eventually produce sapient life could have evolved under such circumstances with no heavy elements present. The Reapers had to have been created by a sapient race, since they themselves are machines, and machines are made by sapient creatures. The Reapers have organic components, if I recall correctly, and it’s even possible that the race that created the Reapers actually BECAME the Reapers through some sort of cyborg technology. Becoming a living machine is one way of achieving immortality, after all.

And perhaps the Derelict Reaper is a relic of a civil war among the Reapers, after all, we’ve already seen a schism among synthetics, the Heretics and the Geth.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 14 juillet 2010 - 02:36 .

[TheScientist]

Time... Time is not infinite? Maybe...maybe not. I heard theories that the universe may collapse back and re-bang, starting over. I heard another theory that new universes can be created with the application of enough energy to a single point. There's a lot of theories on how things can keep going on, but my point is this: perhaps the Reapers made it through from a dead universe. As they can outlive existence, per se, to them, this makes them infinite. Just a theory.

[Siansonea]

TheScientist wrote...

Time... Time is not infinite? Maybe...maybe not. I heard theories that the universe may collapse back and re-bang, starting over. I heard another theory that new universes can be created with the application of enough energy to a single point. There's a lot of theories on how things can keep going on, but my point is this: perhaps the Reapers made it through from a dead universe. As they can outlive existence, per se, to them, this makes them infinite. Just a theory.

Mmmm, perhaps, but I think they are a bit more prosaic than that. I'm thinking they are just Geth On Steroids, built by sapient organics at some point in the distant (but not primordial) past.