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The Klendagon Weapon — Is it the key to stopping the Reapers?
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#127
Posté 21 avril 2011 - 09:28
TheOtherTheoG
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A Portal 2 reference, is it not?Akizora wrote...
We'll present it with a paradox, machines can't resist paradoxes.
This Sentence is False.
Oh, and sorry about the above post, I don't know what happened there.
#128
Posté 21 avril 2011 - 09:51
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How about this logic:
The cutting-edge technology that the humans "invented" for spacetravel was the same exact stuff that every single space-faring species created before, over millions of years. There is mention through various conversations/codex entries/back story that every space-faring species used their own version of the internet, powder-based firearms and the nuke. With this in mind, all the "improvements" various species have made on whatever piece of technology (weapons, ships, communications) has already been done before to some extent.
The Klendagon Weapon is basically a massive rail gun with a mass effect generator, technology that Shepard and Legion have on their backs (The Widow) and use in firefights.
The cannon on the SR2 was an adaptation of a Reaper cannon, a design thats millions of years old. I am sure there was some species that they wiped out that also had this weapon, but their numbers weren't enough to take on the Old Machines.
In the past, there were only one or two space-faring species to take out at a time by the Reapers. The last genocide was exclusively on the Protheans. We can assume there was no more than 2 species with during the Klendagon era, so no matter what technology they had available to them, no species had the sheer numbers to take on the Reapers.
The real key to victory lies in numbers. I am sure if all of humanity got together, they could take out 2-4 Reapers at a time. I mean all of humanity. Not just the Alliance.
If all of the Asari got together, they could take out another 10. The Turians can take out God knows how many. Plus the Quarians, the Geth, the few Krogan left can take out a few, the Rachni. the Batarians, and whoever else is out there. If all of these species take out their respective number of Reapers at a time, then move on to the next batch of Reapers, eventually the war would be won by the Organics (+ the Geth). Granted, each race would lose a number of ships in every battle, so the number of Reapers they can take out during a given battle would decline over time, but so would the number of Reapers, so that is not too much of an issue, as long as there's enough Organics to win the war, and have a diverse enough gene pool to repopulate.
Food for thought.
The cutting-edge technology that the humans "invented" for spacetravel was the same exact stuff that every single space-faring species created before, over millions of years. There is mention through various conversations/codex entries/back story that every space-faring species used their own version of the internet, powder-based firearms and the nuke. With this in mind, all the "improvements" various species have made on whatever piece of technology (weapons, ships, communications) has already been done before to some extent.
The Klendagon Weapon is basically a massive rail gun with a mass effect generator, technology that Shepard and Legion have on their backs (The Widow) and use in firefights.
The cannon on the SR2 was an adaptation of a Reaper cannon, a design thats millions of years old. I am sure there was some species that they wiped out that also had this weapon, but their numbers weren't enough to take on the Old Machines.
In the past, there were only one or two space-faring species to take out at a time by the Reapers. The last genocide was exclusively on the Protheans. We can assume there was no more than 2 species with during the Klendagon era, so no matter what technology they had available to them, no species had the sheer numbers to take on the Reapers.
The real key to victory lies in numbers. I am sure if all of humanity got together, they could take out 2-4 Reapers at a time. I mean all of humanity. Not just the Alliance.
If all of the Asari got together, they could take out another 10. The Turians can take out God knows how many. Plus the Quarians, the Geth, the few Krogan left can take out a few, the Rachni. the Batarians, and whoever else is out there. If all of these species take out their respective number of Reapers at a time, then move on to the next batch of Reapers, eventually the war would be won by the Organics (+ the Geth). Granted, each race would lose a number of ships in every battle, so the number of Reapers they can take out during a given battle would decline over time, but so would the number of Reapers, so that is not too much of an issue, as long as there's enough Organics to win the war, and have a diverse enough gene pool to repopulate.
Food for thought.
#129
Posté 21 avril 2011 - 09:59
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You're calculating DPS for each species' fleet against the reaper's own DPS? I'd think that effective use of tactics and strategy would be easy enough for the reapers to exploit to avoid that conundrum.
#130
Posté 21 avril 2011 - 10:54
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It's not the DPS that matters. That cannon put on the SR2 allowed a frigate to take out a cruiser, that's even if that collector ship was even a cruiser. It may have been big enough to be a small Dreadnought. Its not so much the DPS, but rather them utilizing their numbers, technology and tactics.
#131
Posté 22 avril 2011 - 11:21
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Almostfaceman wrote...
Akizora wrote...
Almostfaceman wrote...
HeliusOD wrote...
Nerevar-as wrote...
Just hope it is not tricking them into a system 1 minute before the star goes nova.<br />
To the OP: it didn´t help those poor guys millions of years ago.<br />
killing one reaper wont save a planet against a fleet of reapers
The point isn't the death of one reaper, the point is there's a weapon that can kill a reaper. Mounting many of these on various planets for planetary defense could be handy. I have no idea if this is going to carry over to ME3, but the discovery of a weapon that can harm a Reaper is not insignificant.
If the solution to defeating the reapers is an ancient weapon I'm going to bang my head really hard against a wall, it has been done and overdone. Everytime I saw "The ancients built a superweapon to kill X" in Stargate SG1 and Stargate Atlantis i rolled my eyes and begged for them to stop producing such weak solutions to plotlines.
They need to be defeated smartly, not by finding a superweapon and not by uploading a virus. There is nothing smart, clever or intricate about finding a weapon, turning it on and watching the reapers die.
I can't think of any solution offhand but then again that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion, cause I mean I'm not a very good cook but I still know when food tastes like crap
I don't recall telling anyone that they weren't allowed an opinion.
Regardless of how it may come across "story-wise" - from a practical point of view it's handy to have a weapon that can kill your opponent. That was my main point.
I did not intend for it to sound as if I was attacking you or that you were saying we weren't allowed to have an opinion. I apologize if that's how it came across, I merely meant to (albeit rather adamantly) express my opinion on "superweapons".
#132
Posté 22 avril 2011 - 11:35
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Anyone remember all the hints about Dark Energy. I'm sure that has something to do with it.
That sun in the Haystrom system (where you rescue Tali) was aging faster due to dark energy.
My guess is that you have to destroy some stars with dark matter in order to kill the Reapers.
Or at least something with Dark Energy
That sun in the Haystrom system (where you rescue Tali) was aging faster due to dark energy.
My guess is that you have to destroy some stars with dark matter in order to kill the Reapers.
Or at least something with Dark Energy
#133
Posté 22 avril 2011 - 11:58
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XavierL wrote...
It's not the DPS that matters. That cannon put on the SR2 allowed a frigate to take out a cruiser, that's even if that collector ship was even a cruiser. It may have been big enough to be a small Dreadnought. Its not so much the DPS, but rather them utilizing their numbers, technology and tactics.
An un-upgraded Normandy can defeat the Collector ship though. It just takes more damage and takes significant casaulties. it was really more a matter of taking it on head to head rather than waggling the ship's tail at it and thinking that was good tactics.
#134
Posté 23 avril 2011 - 03:56
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The term "Dark Energy" keeps getting thrown around in ME. The "key" to stopping the Reapers will have something though I have no idea how exactly to do with Dark Energy.
